Re: Seeking Comcast Contact: need to troubleshoot packet loss and/or asymmetric routing issue between Comcast & Onvoy

2007-08-02 Thread William Herrin
On 8/2/07, Craig D. Rice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We have already attempted the usual troubleshooting and have eliminated user > problems, computer problems, server problems, cable modem problems, and > Linksys router problems. Traceroutes have been somewhat inconclusive since > Onvoy blocks I

Re: "2M today, 10M with no change in technology"? An informal survey.

2007-08-28 Thread William Herrin
On 8/27/07, Deepak Jain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > an MSFC2 can > hold 256,000 entries in its FIB of which 12,000 are reserved for > Multicast. I do not know if the 12,000 can be set to serve the general > purpose. > > The MSFC2 therefore can server 244,000 routes without uRPF turned on. I'm hi

Re: An informal survey... round II

2007-08-30 Thread William Herrin
On 8/30/07, John Curran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I.E. If at some time unknown around 2010, ISP's stop receiving > new allocations from their RIR, and instead use of many smaller > "recycled" IPv4 address blocks, we could be looking at a 10x to > 20x increase in routes per month for the same c

Re: Using Mobile Phone email addys for monitoring

2007-09-06 Thread William Herrin
On 9/6/07, Rick Kunkel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We've traditionally used mobile phone email addresses for system > notifications, but over the past 6-12 months, it seems to have become > increasingly sketchy. Rick, I've had good results with vzw.blackberry.net (Verizon Wireless + Blackberry)

Re: Question on Loosely Synchronized Router Clocks

2007-09-18 Thread William Herrin
On 9/18/07, Xin Liu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ideally, yes, a protocol should not rely on clock synchronization at > all. However, to ensure freshness of messages, we don't have many > choices, and clock synchronization seems to be the least painful one. Xin, Depending on the character of the

Re: Creating demand for IPv6

2007-10-02 Thread William Herrin
On 10/2/07, Stephen Sprunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you feel ARIN has not solved the PIv6 issue sufficiently well, please > take that argument to PPML. As of today, if you qualify for PIv4 space, you > qualify for PIv6 space automatically -- and you only have to pay the fees > for one of t

Re: IPv6 routes, was: How Not to Multihome

2007-10-08 Thread William Herrin
On 10/8/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Wouldn't resources still be an issue. Since the address space is so much > larger wouldn't the 235k v6 routes take up more than 4 times the router > memory? Keegan, According to Cisco's product feature pages IPv6 routes take up twice as

Re: OT: Visio or Autocad

2007-10-10 Thread William Herrin
On 10/10/07, Stephen Fulton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is anyone using Autocad for network design? What are your thoughts? Stephen, I still use Corel Draw 3 for my network diagrams, so its not unheard of to use something other than Visio. The main benefit to Visio comes when -someone else- n

Re: Network Solutions domain transfer lock policy?

2007-11-19 Thread William Herrin
On Nov 19, 2007 5:59 PM, Deepak Jain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I just became aware of an SOP at Network solutions. On a contact change > to a domain, they automatically transfer lock the domain for 60 days. > > Is anyone aware of this as a kosher activity and is anyone aware of any > other regi

Re: unwise filtering policy from cox.net

2007-11-21 Thread William Herrin
On Nov 21, 2007 1:51 AM, Paul Ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >An unfortunate limitation of the SMTP protocol is it initially only > >looks at the right-hand side of an address when connecting to a > >server to send e-mail, and not the left-hand side. This means > > Sure, it's an "unfortuna

Re: San Jose UUT?

2007-11-22 Thread William Herrin
On Nov 22, 2007 1:30 PM, Mark Kent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www2.csjfinance.org/UUT.asp Mark, I suggest you contact Dat Vu (the individual listed on that page) and ask: "What kinds of common Internet-related commerce and activity are subject to the UUT? Please provide me with your

Re: Assigning IPv6 /48's to CPE's?

2007-12-31 Thread William Herrin
On Dec 31, 2007 3:25 AM, Rick Astley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I can understand corporations getting more than a /64 for their needs, but > certainly this does not mean residential ISP subscribers, right? Rick, The standing recommendations are: * /32 for ISPs unless they can justify more * /4

Re: Assigning IPv6 /48's to CPE's?

2008-01-03 Thread William Herrin
On Jan 3, 2008 3:52 AM, Rick Astley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >* /32 for ISPs unless they can justify more > >* /48 for subscribers unless they can justify more > Take someone like Comcast with ~12 million subscribers. > > It would take an IPv6 /24 to get 16.7 million /48's (2^24). With a net

Re: Assigning IPv6 /48's to CPE's?

2008-01-03 Thread William Herrin
On Jan 3, 2008 11:25 AM, Tim Franklin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Only assuming the nature of your mistake is 'turn it off'. > > I can fat-finger a 'port-forward *all* ports to important internal > server', rather than just '80/TCP' pretty much exactly as easily as I can > fat-finger 'permit *all

Re: ISPs slowing P2P traffic...

2008-01-09 Thread William Herrin
On Jan 9, 2008 3:04 PM, Deepak Jain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > However, my question is simply.. for ISPs promising broadband service. > Isn't it simpler to just announce a bandwidth quota/cap that your "good" > users won't hit and your bad ones will? Deepak, No, it isn't. The bandwidth cap ge

Re: Asymmetrical routing opinions/debate

2008-01-14 Thread William Herrin
On Jan 14, 2008 10:30 AM, Drew Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I haven't noticed too many instances of this causing huge performance > problems, > but I have noticed some, has anyone noticed any instances in the real world > where this > has actually caused performance gains over symmetrical

Re: FW: ISPs slowing P2P traffic...

2008-01-14 Thread William Herrin
On Jan 14, 2008 5:25 PM, Joe Greco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So users who rarely use their connection are more profitable to the ISP. > > The fat man isn't a welcome sight to the owner of the AYCE buffet. Joe, The fat man is quite welcome at the buffet, especially if he brings friends and t

Re: BGP Filtering

2008-01-15 Thread William Herrin
On Jan 15, 2008 12:51 PM, Dave Israel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I think I understand what you want, and you don't want it. If you > receive a route for, say, 204.91.0.0/16, 204.91.0.0/17, and > 204.91.128.0/17, you want to drop the /17s and just care about the /16. But > a change in topol

Re: An Attempt at Economically Rational Pricing: Time Warner Trial

2008-01-18 Thread William Herrin
On Jan 18, 2008 4:16 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sooner or later, somebody is going to try to apply Google's > approach to hardware in a network backbone. Imagine a network > backbone with no Cisco or Juniper boxes in it, just lots of > commodity boxes with triple-redundancy everywhere (quin

Re: request for help w/ ATT and terminology

2008-01-18 Thread William Herrin
On Jan 18, 2008 10:18 PM, Roland Dobbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > host.somewhere.net in a firewall rule in a PIX/ASA/etc. as opposed > > It's not only a security issue, but a performance issue (both resolver > and server) and one of practicality, as well (multiple A records for a > single FQ

Re: request for help w/ ATT and terminology

2008-01-19 Thread William Herrin
On Jan 19, 2008 11:48 AM, Andy Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There's some debate in RIPE land right now that discusses, "what > actually is the automatic, free, right to PI" ? Every other network > in the world pays the cost when someone single homes but wants their / > 24 prefix on ever

Re: Cost per prefix [was: request for help w/ ATT and terminology]

2008-01-20 Thread William Herrin
On Jan 19, 2008 11:43 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 19, 2008, at 12:55 PM, William Herrin wrote: > > There was some related work on ARIN PPML last year. The rough numbers > > suggested that the attributable economic cost of one IPv4 prefix in &g

Re: Cost per prefix [was: request for help w/ ATT and terminology]

2008-01-20 Thread William Herrin
On Jan 20, 2008 9:46 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 20, 2008, at 6:06 AM, William Herrin wrote: > > On Jan 19, 2008 11:43 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > >> On Jan 19, 2008, at 12:55 PM, William Herrin wrote:

Re: Cost per prefix [was: request for help w/ ATT and terminology]

2008-01-20 Thread William Herrin
On Jan 20, 2008 1:11 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 20, 2008, at 12:22 PM, William Herrin wrote: > >> I think you mean in tiny fractions of a single cent per router per > >> year > > > > No, I don't. The lower bound for that

Re: Cost per prefix [was: request for help w/ ATT and terminology]

2008-01-20 Thread William Herrin
se and justify your own so that we can have a rational discussion about which justifications make more sense and thus which set of numbers is more likely to be correct. Or you can keep swimming in that river in Egypt. Its up to you. On Jan 20, 2008 5:10 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore <[EMAIL PR

Re: Cost per prefix [was: request for help w/ ATT and terminology]

2008-01-20 Thread William Herrin
On Jan 20, 2008 9:46 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jan 20, 2008, at 8:46 PM, William Herrin wrote: > > > So at this point, the part of my analysis you still dispute is where I > > claimed that 75% of the $40k cost of an entry-level DFZ router

Re: Cost per prefix [was: request for help w/ ATT and terminology]

2008-01-21 Thread William Herrin
On Jan 21, 2008 5:26 PM, Jon Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If using the 7600/3bxl as the cost basis of "the upgrade", you might as > well compare it to the 6500/7600/sup2 or sup3b. Either of these would > likely be what people buying the 3bxls are upgrading from, in some cases > just because

Re: Cost per prefix [was: request for help w/ ATT and terminology]

2008-01-22 Thread William Herrin
On Jan 21, 2008 10:28 PM, Jon Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there really any point in trying to put a $ figure on each route? Jon, Emphatically Yes! Right now we rely on ARIN and the RIRs to artificially suppress the growth of the prefix count and with it the availability of PI space. T

Re: Cost per prefix [was: request for help w/ ATT and terminology]

2008-01-22 Thread William Herrin
On Jan 22, 2008 1:58 PM, Jon Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Giving absolutely anyone who wants it PI space would make things much > worse...so I wouldn't call that artificial supression. It's more like > keeping the model sustainable. Jon, Its kinda like gas in the 70's. There wasn't enough

Re: What is being 'ON NET' good for these days?

2008-02-18 Thread William Herrin
On Feb 18, 2008 8:00 AM, Drew Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We are currently ON NET with 3 major international telecommunication companies Drew, "On Net" is like "Tier 1." It has devolved into marketspeak that doesn't mean very much. In your case it seems to mean that you can connect with

Re: IPv6 tunnel for ISP sought

2008-03-22 Thread William Herrin
On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 3:44 PM, Joel Snyder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We would like to get an IPv6 tunnel to begin limited testing of IPv6 for > customers. Is there any IPv6-savvy ISP out there who will give/sell > tunnels to other ISPs? > > Experimentation with SixXS.NET has proven to be

Re: rack power question

2008-03-25 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 5:00 PM, Paul Vixie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Have you made any calculations if geo-cooling makes sense in your region to > > fill in the hottest summer months or is drilling just too expensive for the > > return? > > i'm too close to san francisco bay. Paul, W

Re: 10GE router resource

2008-03-26 Thread William Herrin
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 4:26 PM, Sargun Dhillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > from a viewpoint of hardware, > x86 is a fairly decent platform. I can stuff 40 (4x10GigE multiplex with > a switch) 1 GigE ports in it. Though, the way that Linux works, it > cannot handle high packet rates. Correct

Re: 10GE router resource

2008-03-26 Thread William Herrin
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Sargun Dhillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I wonder how difficult it would be to integrate such a device on to > an x86 board cheaply. Something like NetFPGA (http://netfpga.org/) would > be an interesting place to start. The board has on board SRAM, a bit o

Re: Abuse response [Was: RE: Yahoo Mail Update]

2008-04-15 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 8:34 AM, Rich Kulawiec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > - Automation is far less important than clue. Attempting to compensate > for lack of a sufficient number of sufficiently-intelligent, experienced, > diligent staff with automation is a known-losing strategy, as anyone

Re: Abuse response [Was: RE: Yahoo Mail Update]

2008-04-15 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 10:00 AM, Marshall Eubanks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Apr 15, 2008, at 9:43 AM, William Herrin wrote: > > That is one place that modern antispam efforts fall apart. It's the > > same problem that afflicts tech support in general. The pr

Re: Abuse response [Was: RE: Yahoo Mail Update]

2008-04-15 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Marshall Eubanks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Apr 15, 2008, at 10:31 AM, William Herrin wrote: > > how do you propose to motivate qualified folks to keep > > working the abuse desk? > > That is a good question. (I feel sure that

Re: Abuse response [Was: RE: Yahoo Mail Update]

2008-04-15 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 2:04 PM, Steve Atkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Unfortunately many of the skills required to be a competent abuse desk > worker are quite specific to an abuse desk, and are not typically possessed > by random technical staff. Steve, You don't, per chance, mean to su

Re: Abuse response [Was: RE: Yahoo Mail Update]

2008-04-16 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 8:49 PM, Martin Hannigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Abuse desk is a $0 revenue operation. Is it not obvious what the issue is? Martin, So is marketing, yet marketing does have an impact on revenue. It can be useful to explain the abuse desk as being just another form