to use that instead of the
built-in one, but that may be more effort than it's worth. (I don't know
what it's worth to you.)
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able.
Same here. I keep meaning to hook in an adaptive spam filter, but I
haven't bothered so far. Maybe mutt just makes it so easy to quickly
triage my mail that it hasn't seemed worth it.
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I'm using mutt on OS X, with emacs as my editor. It's a great
combination, but there are times when I really *REALLY* want to put a
table in a message. I tried creating an HTML attachment containing the
table, but HTML-capable mail readers just display this as an
attachment that has to be opened se
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 09:11:27AM -0600, Luis Mochan wrote:
> Emacs' org-mode permits editing of text tables. There is an orgtbl
> minor mode to edit tables outside of an .org file.
I was not aware of that. That sounds like a great solution. I'll
investigate.
Thanks!
-pd
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 01:10:37PM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
>
> Ignorant, disrespectful and inconsiderate is the top poster who quotes
> 5000 lines including sigs and trailers and irrelevant/unenforcable
> disclaimers *and* the bottom poster who does the same and adds a single
> line (or mor
ed product.
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On 11/22/12 3:13 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote:
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 03:34:13PM -0500, Peter Davis wrote:
On 11/20/12 3:18 PM, Rado Q wrote:
Software can't do magic, or make up for human failures. Sometimes
the responsibility is with the user, not the code.
Nope. Totally wrong
On 11/22/12 9:57 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote:
On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 07:22:03PM -0500, Peter Davis wrote:
.snip.
Nope. Totally wrong. The responsibility is entire with the design
and the code, and never with the user. Otherwise it's a failed
product.
Y
. A message using multipart/alternative that uses HTML mechanisms
where appropriate, and ASCII character alignment for a text/plain part
would serve the largest number of clients, but I haven't seen many email
programs that do this correctly. Most often, users will worry about one
format and not the other.
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On Sat, Nov 24, 2012, at 09:03 AM, Jim Graham wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 09:27:49PM -0500, Peter Davis wrote:
> >
>
> > I don't think there's any question in typography circles or in usability
> > circles that proportional fonts are more readable than f
those things and, through the use of a
text-based browser like w3m, can render them in plain text. I do this
with mutt all the time, and the results seem very satisfactory.
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On 11/24/12 12:49 PM, Derek Martin wrote:
On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 12:07:06PM -0500, Peter Davis wrote:
On Sat, Nov 24, 2012, at 11:34 AM, Derek Martin wrote:
Except the ideal line length has been proven (to the extent that such
is possible) scientifically to not be a fallacy.
Actually, even
Bear in mind that this list, by it's very subject matter, self-selects
for members who tend towards old school tools and technologies. Mutt
users are obviously more likely to be strict about text-only,
72-column wrapped messages than users of, say, GMail.
The main point about any etiquette is that
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 10:14:25AM -0600, Jim Graham wrote:
> ... so
> how is having a .gmail address so bad? I'm very curious at this point.
>
Sorry if I was unclear. The vast majority of email users, many of whom
are using GMail (or Yahoo or some other popular free email service) do
not care a
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 09:57:50AM -0500, Mark H. Wood wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 10:14:25AM -0600, Jim Graham wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 10:45:01AM -0500, Peter Davis wrote:
> > > Bear in mind that this list, by it's very subject matter, self-selects
>
On Sun, Dec 02, 2012 at 09:26:31AM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 10:24:59AM -0500, Peter Davis wrote:
> >
> > Actually, it wasn't about GMail at all. It was about the fact that
> > millions of email users don't care about line wrapping, or
be providing invaluable service to the world, as suggested by
Erik's parenthetical above.
In my view, no amount of argument or evidence is going to change the
minds of anyone in this smaller group. That's fine. Within the domain of
lists that discuss these classic tools, we should adh
I'm using mutt 1.5.21 on OS X 10.9 in iTerm2, with emacs 24.2.1 set as
my editor (with the -nw option, so emacs runs in the same window as
mutt). I find when I edit a message or reply, either emacs or mutt is
not restoring the terminal state properly, so the screen does not
display correctly. I see
On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 02:52:21PM -0700, Kyle Wheeler wrote:
>
> That sounds like you have your TERM environment variable set
> incorrectly for iTerm2. I'm not sure what the right TERM setting is,
> but if you're currently using something like "vt100", you might be
> able to fix it by setting you
As I understand it, gnus uses w3m to display html messages if it's available.
I have my .mailcap file setup to use w3m to display html messages in mutt, but
they don't look like the same messages do in gnus. There's less use of color,
italics and bold and other text features. Also, column layout
On Mon, Dec 02, 2013 at 12:04:46PM -0800, Gary Johnson wrote:
>
> The column layouts should appear the same in both cases and, if gnus
> is indeed using w3m for HTML rendering, should appear the same in
> gnus. If you can be more specific and give at least one
> reproducible example, I can take a
On Fri, Dec 06, 2013 at 05:02:21AM +0400, Kirill Tkhai wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I want to have a posibility to see inbox and sent messages together
> in one thread. Is this possible without copying content of Sent folder
> to Inbox?
I may be misunderstanding something, but how about just BCCing
yourself
After repeated attempts, I finally got Homebrew to download, build and
install mutt with the sidebar patch enabled. At least, that's what I
thought I did, and mutt doesn't complain about the
sidebar_... variables in my .muttrc file. And if I do the mutt -v
command, the last line of output says:
pa
On Fri, Dec 06, 2013 at 08:54:26PM +0100, Suvayu Ali wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 06, 2013 at 02:24:34PM -0500, Peter Davis wrote:
> > After repeated attempts, I finally got Homebrew to download, build and
> > install mutt with the sidebar patch enabled. ...
> >
> > But I don&#
Just to follow-up on my own post, I'm attaching the mutt.rb that I'm
using. Also, the following commands are in my .muttrc:
# Sidebar patch stuff
set sidebar_width=12
set sidebar_delim='|'
set sidebar_visible = yes
macro index b 'toggle sidebar_visible'
macro pager b 'toggle sidebar_visible'
bind
News flash: I've been using iTerm 2 as the terminal program on my
Mac. When I tried mutt in the built-in Terminal, the sidebar
worked.
So something about iTerm 2 is nixing it. I suspect there's some
emulation setting I need to change. Is this just using curses?
Thanks!
-pd
On Fri, Dec 06, 2013 at 10:07:33PM +0100, Suvayu Ali wrote:
>
> I believe usually Mutt is compiled with slang but you can also compile
> with ncurses; I use my distro's defaults and compile with ncurses.
> Can't help you with the Mac stuff though. I don't have a clue about
> them.
Thanks again!
On Fri, Dec 06, 2013 at 10:31:40PM +0100, Suvayu Ali wrote:
>
> Often terminal emulators intercept control sequences. Usually Ctrl or
> Alt/meta key combos fall in that category. E.g. I have trouble getting
> screen to pass on Alt+ to Mutt.
>
> Maybe Ctrl+v quotes the next sequence, hence it wo
Well, now that I've gotten the sidebar patch working, I'm sorry to say
I don't see much point to it. It does allow me to get to other
mailboxes quickly, but so does 'c TAB' and then j and k to move around
the list. In general, the sidebar just seems to take up some screen
space and add visual clutt
On Mon, Dec 09, 2013 at 08:08:05PM +0100, Suvayu Ali wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 09, 2013 at 01:47:41PM -0500, Peter Davis wrote:
> > Am I missing something? Is it more useful for non-IMAP use?
>
> I use it as a visual clue to which folders have new mail. I find it
> more useful when
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 09:44:55AM -0700, Paul E Condon wrote:
> -pd,
>
> I'd be very interested in having a copy of whatever .mailcap entry you
> work out. Please keep reporting your progress here, because I'm sure
> I can't be alone in this interest.
Hi, Paul,
The .mailcap entry is pretty basi
On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 08:27:09PM +0800, Chris Down wrote:
> Occasionally I get complex HTML e-mails that don't quite work in w3m
> (which is what I have in my mailcap to view text/html). In these
> instances, I would like to be able to somehow view these in my browser.
> Right now my procedure is
mething? Is there a way to get the old behavior back?
Thanks!
-pd
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On Wed, Jan 08, 2014 at 12:42:10PM +0100, Rado Q wrote:
> =- Peter Davis wrote on Tue 7.Jan'14 at 16:28:20 -0500 -=
>
> > I recently upgraded to mutt 1.5.22 from ... Hmmm, whatever the
> > previous stable version was, I guess. It appears to me there have
> > b
On Wed, Jan 08, 2014 at 10:21:16AM -0500, Peter Davis wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 08, 2014 at 12:42:10PM +0100, Rado Q wrote:
> > =- Peter Davis wrote on Tue 7.Jan'14 at 16:28:20 -0500 -=
> >
> > > I recently upgraded to mutt 1.5.22 from ... Hmmm, whatever the
> > >
stantaneous?
Thanks!
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On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 08:04:57AM -0500, Peter Davis wrote:
> I'm running mutt 5.22 on a MacBook, with header caching built in. I'm using
> this to read mail via IMAP. I have set up header cache directories, and they
> all appear to be getting used. Mutt created directories
f the message to filter on (sender, subject keywords, etc.)
and then add the rule(s).
Has anyone already done this?
I use mutt on my local MH store, but also on an IMAP server. Any ideas
how to do this for IMAP?
Thanks!
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ill pipe the current
> message to that shell script and generated a score statement that could
> be read back by mutt. It can easily be improved by filtering for
> subjects or whatever you like.
>
Hi, Christian,
Thanks very much. I'll certainly give this a whirl!
Best,
-pd
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> > >
> > > I have tried to use my_hdr, but Fcc is not supported to be set.
> > >
> > > fcc-hook is also tried, not use
> >
> > The only way to do this would be to set your Fcc as the server's sent
> > folder, such as imaps://us...@imap.example.com/SENT, AFAIK.
> >
> > Personally, I use offlineimap to periodically sync my local mails with
> > the server.
> >
> > Kumar
> > --
> > Kumar Appaiah
> >
>
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find an answer.
Thanks.
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Derek Martin writes:
> On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 11:42:01AM -0700, pecon...@mesanetworks.net wrote:
>> I'm experimenting with different ways to handle email. I configured
>> procmail to deliver email in mh format by appending '/.' to the
>> folder name in a few of its delivery specification.
> [..
Tom Fowle writes:
> Same results, sasl authentication failed on both while sending.
I just use this for sending:
set smtp_url="smtps://$my_u...@smtps-proxy.messagingengine.com:80"
Seems to work.
-pd
ible,
but has anyone ever tried it? Does Mutt automatically hand over the entire
screen to any pager but its own?
Thank you.
-pd
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quot;
MHonArc nicely adds the message header to the HTML body so it's all very
readable in the browser. The resource file, .m2h_rcfile, lets you
configure options for including or not including various MIME types, including
images.
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On 11/11/14 10:45 AM, steve wrote:
Hi Peter,
Thanks for your answer.
Le 11-11-2014, à 08:18:42 -0500, Peter Davis a écrit :
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 10:54:27AM +0100, steve wrote:
Hi all,
I'm receiving reports in html containing images. In mutt, those images
are sepa
tp_url="smtps://$my_u...@smtps-proxy.messagingengine.com:80"
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s
in it. During this time, mutt displays "Fetching message
headers ..."
Is there any way to speed this up? I thought the header caching would eliminate
most of this download time.
Thank you.
-pd
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messages, mailboxes, etc.
Is there some more detailed doc. about defining alternate pagers somewhere? All
I see in the manual is that you can specify an external pager.
Thank you.
-pd
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On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 01:14:10AM +0100, Suvayu Ali wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 11:40:31AM -0500, Peter Davis wrote:
> > I'm trying to use emacs as an alternative pager for mutt. Specifically, I'd
> > like to use the gnus Article mode to display articles. I&
On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 07:38:40PM -0500, Peter Davis wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 01:14:10AM +0100, Suvayu Ali wrote:
> > On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 11:40:31AM -0500, Peter Davis wrote:
> > > I'm trying to use emacs as an alternative pager for mutt. Specifically,
> &g
On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 01:18:46AM -0600, David Champion wrote:
> * On 11 Jan 2015, Peter Davis wrote:
> > I'm trying to use emacs as an alternative pager for mutt. Specifically, I'd
> > like to use the gnus Article mode to display articles. I've
> > tried j
On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 02:33:15PM -0500, Jon LaBadie wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 11:40:31AM -0500, Peter Davis wrote:
> > I'm trying to use emacs as an alternative pager for mutt. Specifically, I'd
> > like to use the gnus Article mode to display articles. I&
ondered if there's a way
to do this without
simply disabling the 2-phase authentification.
The GMail app and the Web site will require me to enter a security code that's
been SMS messaged to my phone, but I suspect mutt has no way to work around
that. Am I right?
Thanks!
-pd
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 10:17:00AM -0600, David Champion wrote:
> * On 12 Feb 2015, Peter Davis wrote:
> > I think I know the answer to this, and I think it's "no," but just for fun,
> > is there any way to use mutt with GMail's 2-phase authentification?
&
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 11:35:52AM -0500, Peter Davis wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 10:17:00AM -0600, David Champion wrote:
> > * On 12 Feb 2015, Peter Davis wrote:
> > > I think I know the answer to this, and I think it's "no," but just for
> > &
On 2/12/15 6:47 PM, David Champion wrote:
* On 12 Feb 2015, Peter Davis wrote:
Aha! I'm sorry. I misinterpreted your reply. You mean I have to
create an application-specific password to use IMAP once I've enabled
2-factor authentication. (I don't know where I got "au
I'm trying to set my editor to 'emacs -nw', but I'm getting some kind of error
message flashing at the bottom of the
screen. Unfortunately, the error disappears too quickly for me to read it. Is
there some way to redisplay these messages?
Thank you.
-pd
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On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 10:57:32PM +0100, Matthias Apitz wrote:
>
> Run mutt in a xterm with logging enabled or, as a last, under
> strace/truss to catch the messages.
Hmmm. Is it possible to run mutt with
mutt 2> myerrorlog
?
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On Mon, Mar 02, 2015 at 03:59:16PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 08:17:12PM -0500, Peter Davis wrote:
> > On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 10:57:32PM +0100, Matthias Apitz wrote:
> > >
> > > Run mutt in a xterm with logging enabled or, as a last, under
On Mon, Mar 02, 2015 at 03:59:16PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 08:17:12PM -0500, Peter Davis wrote:
> > On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 10:57:32PM +0100, Matthias Apitz wrote:
> > >
> > > Run mutt in a xterm with logging enabled or, as a last, under
/build/share/emacs/24.3/etc/charsets
Emacs will not function correctly without the character map files.
Please check your installation!
Thank you. Now to unravel this.
-pd
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On Tue, Mar 03, 2015 at 03:28:03PM -0500, Peter Davis wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 03, 2015 at 08:14:25PM +0100, Matthias Apitz wrote:
> > >
> > > Error running "/Applications/Emacs-mac-port.app/Contents/MacOS/bin/emacs
> > > -nw
> > > '/var/folders/kj/
On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 10:29:30AM -0400, don warner saklad wrote:
> Tried l
> it responded
> >"No mailing lists found!
>
Mutt is case-sensitive. You must type lower case "l", not upper case "L".
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script to save the
HTML part in a temp file, and then display that in the browser. There
are actually a number of such scripts around if you Google it.
-pd
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ile? Other
suggestions for how to accomplish what I'm trying to do?
Thanks!
-pd
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Kyle Wheeler wrote:
On Wednesday, September 3 at 10:59 PM, quoth David Champion:
On Wednesday, September 3 at 10:54 PM, quoth Peter Davis:
Usually, the person responds to the "who are you?" message leaving
the message body intact. So I want to have something embedd
ves. Both
are running Mutt 1.4.2.3i.
Is there some way to trace the outgoing message to see where it's
failing? Any tips on configuring sendmail on the Mac? I didn't have to
do anything on the office Mac ... it just works.
Thanks,
-pd
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Kyle Wheeler wrote:
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
On Thursday, September 4 at 08:06 AM, quoth Peter Davis:
Is there a fast way to find a message with a given Message-ID? If
so, that would work.
~i
... or:
grep '^Message-ID: ' *
Yes, b
Cameron Simpson wrote:
On 04Sep2008 23:03, Sahil Tandon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| Peter Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| > I have two Macs, one at work and one at home, running OS X 10.5. I'm
| > using nearly identical .muttrc files on both, using sendmail to send
le. All I can do is
pipe the contents of the message."
Thanks!
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server?
Thanks!
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x27;t find it.
Thanks!
-pd
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Ok, I've done all this, but my outgoing messages still disappear, and
the log still says:
Sep 6 00:19:46 PFD-Studio-Mac postfix/smtp[4605]: connect to
relay.pair.com[209.68.5.9]: Operation timed out (p
ort 25)
(At least it has the right relay server now.)
Thanks,
-pd
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p.messagingengine.com[66.111.4.71]: Operation timed out (port 587)
Sep 6 10:01:07 PFD-Studio-Mac postfix/master[10351]: master exit time
has arrived
Argh!
On the machine in my office, I touched nothing. I never even looked at
the postfix configuration. I assume that the office network is s
I've got mutt set up to use the MH inc command to retrieve mail from a pop
server. This let's me
use MH's maildelivery to sort messages into folders, etc.
macro index G "!inc -user [EMAIL PROTECTED]"
macro pager G "!inc -user [EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Is there a way to get mutt to prompt me for the p
On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 10:55:38PM -0400, Peter Davis wrote:
>
> I have two Macs, one at work and one at home, running OS X 10.5. I'm
> using nearly identical .muttrc files on both, using sendmail to send
> outgoing messages. On my work Mac, this all behaves just fine. O
On Sun, Sep 07, 2008 at 01:46:44PM -0500, Kyle Wheeler wrote:
> Generally? No. Mutt doesn't do generic password management for
> third-party applications; and even if it did, there's no sufficiently
> generic method of providing the password to whatever command you
> happen to be running.
I gue
I'm using MH folders with Mutt 1.4.2.3i, but there are some
inconsistencies:
1) Mutt seems to assume the "unseen" sequence is always called
"unseen," though this can be set in the .mh_profile. If I set it to
"unseen", mutt seems to know which messages in a folder are unread.
If I call it "unread,
On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 09:45:26AM +0300, Axel Palm wrote:
> Sun, 14 Sep 2008 09:33:58 -0400
> kirjutas Peter Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>
> |
> | 3) Mutt doesn't seem to recognize some folders as mail folders at
> | all. In MH, a mail folder is just a
On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 09:33:58AM -0400, Peter Davis wrote:
> I'm using MH folders with Mutt 1.4.2.3i, but there are some
> inconsistencies:
>
> 1) Mutt seems to assume the "unseen" sequence is always called
> "unseen," though this can be set in the .mh_p
hanks,
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On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 07:36:29PM +0200, Rado S wrote:
> =- Peter Davis wrote on Mon 29.Sep'08 at 13:15:59 -0400 -=
>
> > I typically get lots of spam that has the same subject line. Is
> > there a way to tell mutt to delete all messages with the same
> > subject li
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