Re: Bottom posting v top posting

2018-05-13 Thread Francesco Ariis
On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 03:31:38PM +1000, Brian Salter-Duke wrote: > We have had 20 years or so to educate people to bottom post. We have almost > entirely failed. Judging by the message you are replying to, we failed but we did not stop being smug prats.

Re: Bottom posting v top posting

2018-05-13 Thread Chris Green
On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 11:44:49PM -0400, Scott Kostyshak wrote: > On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 03:23:45AM +, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > > > I also bottom post with some of my best friends who _are_ gmail users, > > and they don't object. > > +1 > So do I with family and friends. > The key, I've le

Re: Bottom posting v top posting

2018-05-13 Thread Don Saklad
For the current setup at this end here... an attitude of please feel free replying unconfined. A few, maybe more than a few contributors to a list and a few maybe more than a few subscribers reading contributors' writings would allow contributors the greatest possible freedom for posting style ht

Re: Bottom posting v top posting

2018-05-13 Thread Christian Brabandt
On So, 13 Mai 2018, Stefan Hagen wrote: > HTML is not allowed on this list, so here is the HTML part for this mail: > https://shell.srv.hagen.coffee/~sdk/textmail.html Do you generate this somehow? regards, Christian -- One girl can be pretty -- but a dozen are only a chorus. -

Re: Bottom posting v top posting

2018-05-13 Thread Jude DaShiell
On Sat, 12 May 2018, Ian Zimmerman wrote: Date: Sat, 12 May 2018 23:23:45 From: Ian Zimmerman Reply-To: mutt-users@mutt.org To: mutt-users@mutt.org Subject: Re: Bottom posting v top posting On 2018-05-13 09:52, Brian Salter-Duke wrote: Posting to this list yesterday and a recent incident wit

Re: Bottom posting v top posting

2018-05-13 Thread Stefan Hagen
Christian Brabandt wrote: Stefan Hagen wrote: HTML is not allowed on this list, so here is the HTML part for this mail: https://shell.srv.hagen.coffee/~sdk/textmail.html Do you generate this somehow? Of course I do. My mutt configuration is here: gopher://codevoid.de:70/1/git/dotfiles/files

Re: Bottom posting v top posting

2018-05-13 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2018-05-13 05:46, Jude DaShiell wrote: > Has mutt got something that can be added to a .muttrc file which > positions the cursor in a reply automatically for bottom posting? > With bottom posting what has me concerned is did I hit the downarrow > key enough to get to the correct position for wr

Re: Bottom posting v top posting

2018-05-13 Thread Akkana Peck
Brian Salter-Duke writes: > My partner reads gmail on her phone or tablet. [ ... ] > If I had bottom posting, she would never have read my message, thinking > that some how she had got her email back again. If that's true, you're not trimming enough. The idea isn't to quote the other person's enti

Re: Bottom posting v top posting

2018-05-13 Thread tech-lists
On 13/05/2018 00:52, Brian Salter-Duke wrote: The use of phones for email alters the game. It is time we gave up bottom posting! No!! ;) and you're missing the point (IMOHO) :( basically, people quote back way too much. This is the issue. Most email apps allow threaded mail, so very littl

Re: Bottom posting v top posting

2018-05-13 Thread José María Mateos
On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 09:52:23AM +1000, Brian Salter-Duke wrote: > Posting to this list yesterday and a recent incident with my partner, > prompts me to raise the issue of bottom posting. For a long time, mutters > have fought battles and wars to get everybody to bottom post. It makes a lot > of

Re: Bottom posting v top posting

2018-05-13 Thread Ben Oliver
On 18-05-13 09:52:23, Brian Salter-Duke wrote: Posting to this list yesterday and a recent incident with my partner, prompts me to raise the issue of bottom posting. For a long time, mutters have fought battles and wars to get everybody to bottom post. It makes a lot of sense, but we have lost ev

Re: Bottom posting v top posting

2018-05-13 Thread Martin Trautmann
Am 13. Mai 2018 17:12:14 MESZ schrieb tech-lists : >No!! ;) and you're missing the point (IMOHO) :( basically, people >quote back way too much. This is the issue. Most email apps allow >threaded mail, so very little need to quote whole screeds. IBTD. Major e-mail tools, such as outlook,

Re: Bottom posting v top posting

2018-05-13 Thread Chris Green
On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 05:49:54PM +0100, Ben Oliver wrote: > > The only exception is on those support emails where it says 'please post > your reply above this line' I just move the line (or copy what's below it to above it) so that I can reply in context as normal. -- Chris Green

Re: Bottom posting v top posting

2018-05-13 Thread Florian Gamböck
On 2018-05-13 16:12, tech-lists wrote: basically, people quote back way too much. This is the issue. Most email apps allow threaded mail, so very little need to quote whole screeds. My rule of thumb is usually, I quote as much text as is needed so that my reply makes sense without searching o

Re: Bottom posting v top posting

2018-05-13 Thread Florian Gamböck
On 2018-05-13 09:22, Chris Green wrote: On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 11:44:49PM -0400, Scott Kostyshak wrote: The key, I've learned, is to teach them about bottom-posting. I have occassionally used bottom-posting with contacts without warning, and that has led to some confusion. I now try to remembe

Re: Bottom posting v top posting

2018-05-13 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* Akkana Peck [05-13-18 10:35]: > Brian Salter-Duke writes: > > My partner reads gmail on her phone or tablet. [ ... ] > > If I had bottom posting, she would never have read my message, thinking > > that some how she had got her email back again. > > If that's true, you're not trimming enough. Th

Re: Bottom posting v top posting

2018-05-13 Thread Thomas Schneider
Top posting makes complicated scientific conversations with several interanal threads impossible. "Bottom" posting - which is really splitting the original email into parts (separated by blank lines for visual clarity) allows people to hold very complex discussions. The worst Top Posting case I e

Re: Bottom posting v top posting

2018-05-13 Thread Jon LaBadie
On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 05:43:53PM -0400, Thomas Schneider wrote: ... > > So Top posters never read further down the email, it's a total waste > of bandwidth. > Another example of this: I typically bottom/in-line respond even private emails. As most of you may note I have a lot of personal info

Re: Bottom posting v top posting

2018-05-13 Thread Ben Oliver
On 18-05-13 17:34:21, Patrick Shanahan wrote: I really believe it (top-posting, full quoting) began with compuserve and aol, really discouraging time in history. Definitely makes no sense other than 'gmail does it' or 'outlook does it'