move cursor while reading mails

2012-11-21 Thread horse_rivers
hi,    It seems that mutt can not give to users  the cursor's  position  while reading mail , this is  a bit uncomfortable for me ,    Is there mothod which can make mutt display cursor out ? or custom certain   key-bindings . thanks!

Re: so many useless text

2012-11-21 Thread Stefan Wimmer
* Gary Johnson [2012-11-21 06:54]: > On 2012-11-21, horse_rivers wrote: >> in my mutt mailbox ,   I do not know why all  mails   contain so many >> useless message text , as below: >> >>      Received: by  x >>     Received: from >> envelope-from xxx >> >>  R

Re: move cursor while reading mails

2012-11-21 Thread Jamie Paul Griffin
/ horse_rivers wrote on Wed 21.Nov'12 at 17:33:22 +0800 / > hi, > >    It seems that mutt can not give to users  the cursor's  position  while > reading mail , this is  a bit uncomfortable for me , >    Is there mothod which can make mutt display cursor out ? or custom certain >  key-bindings .

Re: Expiring Messages

2012-11-21 Thread Jamie Paul Griffin
/ To mutt-users@mutt.org wrote on Sat 10.Nov'12 at 7:39:33 + / > / David Champion wrote on Fri 9.Nov'12 at 15:00:44 -0600 / > > Python option: > > $ easy_install parsedatetime > > $ python > > >>> from parsedatetime.parsedatetime import Calendar > > >>> import time > > >>> rfc822format = '%

Re: email has changed, you won't change everyone, and you don't have to

2012-11-21 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 11:59:55AM -0600, David Young wrote: > >On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 04:42:13PM +, John Long wrote: […] > > Mail and news need to have sane line lengths. 72 or 76 chars are common. It > > makes people look like AOL groupies when they post 500 character lines. Many > > of us

Re: email has changed, you won't change everyone, and you don't have to

2012-11-21 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 03:34:13PM -0500, Peter Davis wrote: > > On 11/20/12 3:18 PM, Rado Q wrote: > >Software can't do magic, or make up for human failures. Sometimes > >the responsibility is with the user, not the code. > > Nope. Totally wrong. The responsibility is entire with the design

Re: move cursor while reading mails

2012-11-21 Thread Rado Q
=- Jamie Paul Griffin wrote on Wed 21.Nov'12 at 9:49:25 + -= > BTW, I hope you like my new 72 column line-wrapped mail. Yes, very much... I even only read your response rather than OP. :) > It looks beautiful doesn't it and I hope it shows my total > commitment to respect those reading it.

Re: email has changed, you won't change everyone, and you don't have to

2012-11-21 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:19:25PM +, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote: […] > My confusion is simply due to the fact that when my emails come > through from mutt's mailing list manager to my server and I read them > with mutt, I don't experience the readability issues others seem to. > It's not somethi

Re: Please set your line wrap to a sane value (was ... Re: Is there any gmane.org user in the list?)

2012-11-21 Thread Rado Q
Sorry for late reply, postponed then forgot to send... =- Tony's unattended mail wrote on Tue 20.Nov'12 at 21:02:56 + -= > E.g. if you use a linefeed to end the line of a peom, and then you > also use an identical linefeed to guess at where to break a stream > of text in a paragraph, it's unr

Re: email has changed, you won't change everyone, and you don't have to

2012-11-21 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 08:39:02PM +, Tony's unattended mail wrote: > compose with no linefeeds, except when a linebreak is really needed (a > peom, for example). The the rendering software can wrap where it > makes the most sense to, and honor the existing linefeeds that are > important. The

Re: Please set your line wrap to a sane value (was ... Re: Is there any gmane.org user in the list?)

2012-11-21 Thread Chris Green
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:01:41AM +, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote: > > I don't like vim. I prefer the old vi, so i'd have to set it in ~/.exrc which > mean all files will be line wrapped which is why I haven't done so already. > I'll see if theres a muttrc macro or setting I can use to set line

Re: Please set your line wrap to a sane value (was ... Re: Is there any gmane.org user in the list?)

2012-11-21 Thread Rado Q
=- Chris Green wrote on Wed 21.Nov'12 at 11:51:52 + -= > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:01:41AM +, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote: > > > > I don't like vim. I prefer the old vi, so i'd have to set it in > > ~/.exrc which mean all files will be line wrapped which is why I > > haven't done so already

Re: Please set your line wrap to a sane value (was ... Re: Is there any gmane.org user in the list?)

2012-11-21 Thread Jamie Paul Griffin
/ Rado Q wrote on Wed 21.Nov'12 at 13:00:12 +0100 / > =- Chris Green wrote on Wed 21.Nov'12 at 11:51:52 + -= > > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:01:41AM +, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote: > > > > > > I don't like vim. I prefer the old vi, so i'd have to set it in > > > ~/.exrc which mean all file

Re: Please set your line wrap to a sane value (was ... Re: Is there any gmane.org user in the list?)

2012-11-21 Thread Rado Q
=- Jamie Paul Griffin wrote on Wed 21.Nov'12 at 12:14:25 + -= > > > > I don't like vim. I prefer the old vi, so i'd have to set it in > > > > ~/.exrc which mean all files will be line wrapped which is why I > > > > haven't done so already. I'll see if theres a muttrc macro or > > > > setting I

Re: Please set your line wrap to a sane value (was ... Re: Is there any gmane.org user in the list?)

2012-11-21 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 07:54:28PM +, Tony's unattended mail wrote: > Proper etiquette is established by those in a region, or in a > group.. it's based on where you are. If you enter a village where > everyone does something, that *is* the etiquette, by definition. To > go against it is to l

Re: Please set your line wrap to a sane value (was ... Re: Is there any gmane.org user in the list?)

2012-11-21 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 12:52:58PM -0600, David Champion wrote: > * On 19 Nov 2012, Chris Bannister wrote: > > Ouch! Could you please set the "line wrap" value in your editor to a > > sane value? 72 characters seems to be the recommended setting. > > > > (I though you had mistakenly sent this mai

Re: Please set your line wrap to a sane value (was ... Re: Is there any gmane.org user in the list?)

2012-11-21 Thread Jamie Paul Griffin
/ Rado Q wrote on Wed 21.Nov'12 at 13:31:58 +0100 / > =- Jamie Paul Griffin wrote on Wed 21.Nov'12 at 12:14:25 + -= > > > > > > I don't like vim. I prefer the old vi, so i'd have to set it in > > > > > ~/.exrc which mean all files will be line wrapped which is why I > > > > > haven't done so

Re: move cursor while reading mails

2012-11-21 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* horse_rivers [11-21-12 04:34]: ... >    It seems that mutt can not give to users  the cursor's  position >  while reading mail , this is  a bit uncomfortable for me ,    Is there > mothod which can make mutt display cursor out ? or custom certain >  key-bindings . a little different but it is

Re: email has changed, you won't change everyone, and you don't have to

2012-11-21 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* Chris Bannister [11-21-12 06:32]: > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 08:39:02PM +, Tony's unattended mail wrote: > > compose with no linefeeds, except when a linebreak is really needed (a > > peom, for example). The the rendering software can wrap where it > > makes the most sense to, and honor the

Re: Please set your line wrap to a sane value (was ... Re: Is there any gmane.org user in the list?)

2012-11-21 Thread Rado Q
=- Jamie Paul Griffin wrote on Wed 21.Nov'12 at 13:27:04 + -= > I've just not come across this issue with my editor/mail on other > lists where many users don't use or seem to care much about line > wrapping, although the other stuff is picked up on quickly. Resignation & submissiveness to th

Re: Please set your line wrap to a sane value (was ... Re: Is there any gmane.org user in the list?)

2012-11-21 Thread Jamie Paul Griffin
/ Rado Q wrote on Wed 21.Nov'12 at 15:06:08 +0100 / > =- Jamie Paul Griffin wrote on Wed 21.Nov'12 at 13:27:04 + -= > > > I've just not come across this issue with my editor/mail on other > > lists where many users don't use or seem to care much about line > > wrapping, although the other stu

Re: email has changed, you won't change everyone, and you don't have to

2012-11-21 Thread Mark H. Wood
Well, when it doesn't work to lecture people who are trying to communicate, try ignoring them. On public MLs, whenever my "this guy doesn't know how to communicate effectively" recognizer goes off, I typically hit 'd' and move on. If the sender never notices, you probably haven't missed anything.

Re: email has changed, you won't change everyone, and you don't have to

2012-11-21 Thread Mark H. Wood
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 02:54:42PM -0600, David Young wrote: > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 09:27:19PM +0100, Holger Weiß wrote: > > * David Young [2012-11-20 11:59]: > > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 04:42:13PM +, John Long wrote: > > > > Take some responsibility for yourself and your content. Post li

Re: email has changed, you won't change everyone, and you don't have to

2012-11-21 Thread Jamie Paul Griffin
/ Mark H. Wood wrote on Wed 21.Nov'12 at 9:56:23 -0500 / > Well, when it doesn't work to lecture people who are trying to > communicate, try ignoring them. On public MLs, whenever my "this guy > doesn't know how to communicate effectively" recognizer goes off, I > typically hit 'd' and move on.

Re: email has changed, you won't change everyone, and you don't have to

2012-11-21 Thread Mark H. Wood
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 11:27:45PM +, Ken Moffat wrote: > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 11:59:55AM -0600, David Young wrote: > > Every now and then some jerk sends me an email reply where their > > contribution is red. Maybe that is worth fighting about on grounds > > that that's a poor choice of co

Re: Please set your line wrap to a sane value (was ... Re: Is there any gmane.org user in the list?)

2012-11-21 Thread Mark H. Wood
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:02:28PM +, Ken Moffat wrote: > If someone, particularly on a support list, sends an atrociously > long line, then it becomes *much* harder to select the appropriate > part of that line/paragraph/epistle and delete the rest of it when > replying. Ah, well, when *repl

Re: email has changed, you won't change everyone, and you don't have to

2012-11-21 Thread Mark H. Wood
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 03:23:30PM +, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote: > / Mark H. Wood wrote on Wed 21.Nov'12 at 9:56:23 -0500 / > > > Well, when it doesn't work to lecture people who are trying to > > communicate, try ignoring them. On public MLs, whenever my "this guy > > doesn't know how to com

Re: Please set your line wrap to a sane value (was ... Re: Is there any gmane.org user in the list?)

2012-11-21 Thread Tony's unattended mail
On 2012-11-21, Rado Q wrote: > > I guess you put too much interpretation/ meaning in plain-text/ > "text/plain": LF is just that, nothing else, 2 LF are a paragraph, > that's it. "Too much" interpretation is an odd stance to take. It's a necessary amount of interpretation in order to understand

Re: Please set your line wrap to a sane value (was ... Re: Is there any gmane.org user in the list?)

2012-11-21 Thread David Champion
* On 21 Nov 2012, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 12:52:58PM -0600, David Champion wrote: > > * On 19 Nov 2012, Chris Bannister wrote: > > > Ouch! Could you please set the "line wrap" value in your editor to a > > > sane value? 72 characters seems to be the recommended setting. >

Re: email has changed, you won't change everyone, and you don't have to

2012-11-21 Thread Jim Graham
On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 12:09:17AM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: > > Because there are no CR/LF in a paragraph then it is treated all as one > line. Interesting, considering that Unix doesn't use CR/LF ... it uses a single newline instead. So I suppose that means that the entire e-mail, from th

Re: email has changed, you won't change everyone, and you don't have to

2012-11-21 Thread David Champion
* On 21 Nov 2012, Chris Bannister wrote: > Because there are no CR/LF in a paragraph then it is treated all as one > line. If the first "line" of a paragraph appears at the bottom of the > screen as yours did then mutt displays "All" on the far right of the > status line. This gives the impression

Re: mutt over hyperterminal

2012-11-21 Thread Andre Klärner
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 07:58:15AM +, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote: > / Matthias Apitz wrote on Wed 21.Nov'12 at 6:54:38 +0100 / > > Most likely the charset of your terminal does not match the NLS > > environment (LANG) which you have after login into the Ubuntu. I do not > > know hyperterminal, i

Re: Please set your line wrap to a sane value (was ... Re: Is there any gmane.org user in the list?)

2012-11-21 Thread Jim Graham
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 05:02:50PM +, Tony's unattended mail wrote: > LF means "begin next line now". So as an author posting text to a > forum, at what point do you need an LF? Not after XX width, because > that makes poor assumptions about the readers medium (is it an LCD, or > a phone?).

Re: email has changed, you won't change everyone, and you don't have to

2012-11-21 Thread Derek Martin
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 03:23:30PM +, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote: > People sometimes just reply quickly and therefore forget to adhere > to some of the netiquette guidelines, it doesn't mean they should be > ignored. Yes, it does. If your correspondence is impolite or thoughtless, then giving

Re: Putting table in email?

2012-11-21 Thread Jim Graham
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 07:03:07AM +, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote: > I, like David do prefer vi over vim not that it's especially relevent, > so this is great. Being set-up immediately here :-) thanks guys I'm going to post this one (two-part) comment on preferred editors.. The "right/bes

Re: Please set your line wrap to a sane value

2012-11-21 Thread mutt
Mark H. Wood wrote: > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:02:28PM +, Ken Moffat wrote: > > If someone, particularly on a support list, sends an atrociously > > long line, then it becomes *much* harder to select the appropriate > > part of that line/paragraph/epistle and delete the rest of it when > >

Re: Default subject "Re: your mail" when replying to empty-subject e-mails

2012-11-21 Thread E. Prom
2012/11/21 Will Yardley : > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 01:41:02AM +0100, E. Prom wrote: >> >> When replying to an e-mail with an empty subject, the subject of the >> answer is set to "Re: your mail". > > I thought it was configurable, but didn't find anything from a quick > search in TFM. Also, it loo

Re: Default subject "Re: your mail" when replying to empty-subject e-mails

2012-11-21 Thread David Champion
* On 21 Nov 2012, E. Prom wrote: > 2012/11/21 Will Yardley : > > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 01:41:02AM +0100, E. Prom wrote: > >> > >> When replying to an e-mail with an empty subject, the subject of the > >> answer is set to "Re: your mail". > > > > I thought it was configurable, but didn't find any

Re: Default subject "Re: your mail" when replying to empty-subject e-mails

2012-11-21 Thread Marcelo Laia
On 21/11/12 at 07:00pm, David Champion wrote: > > You could create a personal translation, I guess. > Have any idea how to do? -- Marcelo Brasil (Brazil, for English Speakers) Linux user number 487797

Re: so many useless text

2012-11-21 Thread horse_rivers
  >You can also hide header lines with 'display-toggle-weed' which is by default  >bound to the key 'h' ... > >HTH >Stefan thanks! here is  another  question:how can I modify  the default  key-binding   of  move-down by line? the default key is ,I want to change it to "down" direction key . Best

Re: move cursor while reading mails

2012-11-21 Thread horse_rivers
>You can put this parameter into your .muttrc or invoke it when you wish by >using the command line at the bottom of the mutt screen, ": set pager=tea" > >You could even bind it to a key-combination/hot-key.   how to rebind my key ? in muttrc ? thank you !