Re: The future of mutt... - intermediate aggregation

2013-10-24 Thread Derek Martin
On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 08:50:51PM +0200, Holger Weiß wrote: > * Derek Martin [2013-10-24 10:46]: > > This hasn't been true for Mutt, at least historically. Some of the > > people who submit patches infrequently have taken the time to review > > other patches (myself included)... > > However, th

Re: The future of mutt... - intermediate aggregation

2013-10-24 Thread Holger Weiß
* Derek Martin [2013-10-24 10:46]: > On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 02:05:07PM +0200, Holger Weiß wrote: > > > Of course, but they build only a minority and therefore if the others > > > don't like their work, why not to revert the commit or rewrite the patch > > > with prompting the original author that

Re: The future of mutt... - intermediate aggregation

2013-10-24 Thread Will Fiveash
On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 01:11:29PM +0200, Ondřej Bílka wrote: > On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 10:53:33AM +0200, Fredrik Gustafsson wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 10:45:05AM +0200, jpac...@redhat.com wrote: > > > > And beyond that I think there needs to be a automated C-style checker to > > > > enforc

mutt: remove trailing period from documentation for $pgp_list_se...

2013-10-24 Thread Brendan Cully
changeset: 6345:3d5e23a66a1a user: Michael Elkins date: Thu Oct 24 09:55:36 2013 -0700 link: http://dev.mutt.org/hg/mutt/rev/3d5e23a66a1a remove trailing period from documentation for $pgp_list_secring_command diffs (12 lines): diff -r b7fe6ebd07c0 -r 3d5e23a66a1a init.h --- a/in

mutt: remove trailing period from documentation for $pgp_list_pu...

2013-10-24 Thread Brendan Cully
changeset: 6344:b7fe6ebd07c0 user: Michael Elkins date: Thu Oct 24 09:24:58 2013 -0700 link: http://dev.mutt.org/hg/mutt/rev/b7fe6ebd07c0 remove trailing period from documentation for $pgp_list_pubring_command diffs (12 lines): diff -r 914e13a3694d -r b7fe6ebd07c0 init.h --- a/in

Re: [IMPORTANT] changes to the Mutt repository

2013-10-24 Thread Michael Elkins
On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 10:42:52AM +0100, Andras Salamon wrote: Which autoconf/automake versions are expected? I am using fairly recent versions due to other projects needing them, and would like to know which older versions to custom install. The build system gives me a bunch of errors when ru

Re: The future of mutt... - intermediate aggregation

2013-10-24 Thread Derek Martin
On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 02:05:07PM +0200, Holger Weiß wrote: > > Of course, but they build only a minority and therefore if the others > > don't like their work, why not to revert the commit or rewrite the patch > > with prompting the original author that the patch was really bad? > > This sounds

Re: auto* versions

2013-10-24 Thread Claus Assmann
On Thu, Oct 24, 2013, Andras Salamon wrote: > Which autoconf/automake versions are expected? I am using fairly README: If you got the mutt source code from the public Mercurial repository (http://dev.mutt.org/hg/mutt/), please read doc/devel-notes.txt to make sure that you have a complete develo

Re: The future of mutt... - intermediate aggregation

2013-10-24 Thread Holger Weiß
* jpac...@redhat.com [2013-10-24 15:02]: > Anyway, you sound like a usual mutt user, who prefers stability over > new-features (this is the trade-off you've mentioned) and therefore you > can stay calm - you'll get the same quality of stable releases like up > until now (no changes in the stable r

Re: The future of mutt... - intermediate aggregation

2013-10-24 Thread jpac...@redhat.com
Hi Holger, > This sounds so awesome! No need for maintainers. The community will > just magically take over all their work. > > Of course, in practice, it doesn't work this way. Occasional > contributors add their favourite feature or fix a bug they stumbled > over. That's it. They provide p

Re: The future of mutt... - intermediate aggregation

2013-10-24 Thread Holger Weiß
* [2013-10-24 10:33]: > > i've been maintainer of sufficiently many projects to know that this > > is not a universally true statement. a significant percentage of casual > > contributors throws some crappy code at you and expects you to be > > grateful for it, possibly flaming you down when you m

Re: The future of mutt... - intermediate aggregation

2013-10-24 Thread Ondřej Bílka
On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 10:53:33AM +0200, Fredrik Gustafsson wrote: > On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 10:45:05AM +0200, jpac...@redhat.com wrote: > > > And beyond that I think there needs to be a automated C-style checker to > > > enforce consistent C code formatting. The checker could be run via a > > >

Re: [IMPORTANT] changes to the Mutt repository

2013-10-24 Thread Andras Salamon
Which autoconf/automake versions are expected? I am using fairly recent versions due to other projects needing them, and would like to know which older versions to custom install. The build system gives me a bunch of errors when running autoreconf --install --include=m4 which seem potentially

Re: The future of mutt... - intermediate aggregation

2013-10-24 Thread Fredrik Gustafsson
On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 10:45:05AM +0200, jpac...@redhat.com wrote: > > And beyond that I think there needs to be a automated C-style checker to > > enforce consistent C code formatting. The checker could be run via a > > gate push hook. > > Why not. Could someone with change repo rights accompli

Re: The future of mutt... - intermediate aggregation

2013-10-24 Thread jpac...@redhat.com
Hi Fredrik, > If you need an automated tool to enforce formatting rules, doesn't that > apply that your code review process is broken and you risc to slip in > serious bugs? Shouldn't formatting rules be part of the ordinary code > review process? It depends. IMHO it should be, but if the project

Re: [IMPORTANT] changes to the Mutt repository

2013-10-24 Thread jpac...@redhat.com
Amazing! Thank you guys. -- Jan Pacner

Re: The future of mutt... - intermediate aggregation

2013-10-24 Thread jpac...@redhat.com
> While I'd like to see a more inclusive patch process (I have created > several over the years that I'd like to see included in mutt) I think, > as others have mentioned before, that a comprehensive regression test > needs to be created and included in the mutt source tree with a make > target to

Re: The future of mutt... - intermediate aggregation

2013-10-24 Thread jpac...@redhat.com
> Mutt might not *any longer* be able to garner that kind of support. > The number of people I know who use Mutt today has become A LOT > smaller than the number of people I know who previously used Mutt. > It's a small project which fills a particular niche that is becoming > less and less interes

Re: The future of mutt... - intermediate aggregation

2013-10-24 Thread jpac...@redhat.com
Hi Oswald, >> In one of your emails you mentioned, there are most probably some paid >> developers. Now you're writing "would need" as if there were none of >> them right now. I'm not sure what is actually your point. >> > i made no such claim regarding mutt. you should re-read the relevant > mail