CCD Mirroring HOWTO

2005-11-24 Thread Robbert Haarman
For those who are interested, I've uploaded a tutorial on setting up mirroring using ccd(4) to http://inglorion.net/documents/tutorials/ccd/. -- Bob

Re: CCD Mirroring HOWTO

2005-11-24 Thread Robbert Haarman
> http://inglorion.net/documents/tutorials/ccd/ > > I have a few questions/comments about the above and about ccd > in OpenBSD in general. > > 1) You talk about "RAID only works with whole disks"? I'm curious > which RAID implementation you're referring to... it seems like you > might be talk

Re: CCD Mirroring HOWTO

2005-11-25 Thread Robbert Haarman
> > http://inglorion.net/documents/tutorials/ccd/. > > labeling section is wrong. > one MUST never use 'c' partition. > one MUST always make an 'a' (for example) > to skip first cylinder (at least). That's true for real disks, but it doesn't seem to be true for ccd devices. If it were true, ccdco

Re: CCD Mirroring HOWTO

2005-11-25 Thread Robbert Haarman
> >Of course, if somebody who > >actually knew the implementation details about ccd could weigh in, > >that would resolve the issue. > > they just did. > Ok, thanks for pointing that out. I apologize for my uninformed comments, especially

Re: CCD Mirroring HOWTO

2005-11-25 Thread Robbert Haarman
On Fri, Nov 25, 2005 at 02:26:08PM +0100, mickey wrote: > On Fri, Nov 25, 2005 at 02:14:35PM +0100, Robbert Haarman wrote: > by using 'c' partition one may endup trashing real disk's label. > DO NOT USE 'c' PARTITION. Ok, I'll change the HOWTO and

Re: CCD Mirroring HOWTO

2005-11-25 Thread Robbert Haarman
On Fri, Nov 25, 2005 at 02:43:31PM +0100, mickey wrote: > On Fri, Nov 25, 2005 at 02:41:47PM +0100, Robbert Haarman wrote: > > > > This still leaves the issue of ccdconfig setting up the c partition as > > type 4.2BSD. If this can thrash the disklabel, that sounds like a >

Re: CCD Mirroring HOWTO

2005-11-25 Thread Robbert Haarman
On Fri, Nov 25, 2005 at 04:50:34PM +0100, mickey wrote: > default 'c' type is unused. > at least on default systems... On REAL disks, yes. On ccd disks, it seems to be different. Or maybe ccdconfig screws it up. > > 2. The OpenBSD slices of my disks start at sector 24659775. This is also > > whe

Updated CCD Mirroring HOWTO

2005-11-25 Thread Robbert Haarman
Dear list, especially Greg and Mickey, I've updated the working copy of the CCD Mirroring HOWTO. In particular, I've split off the comparison to software RAID into a separate section and clarified that ccd does not do automatic recovery, and I've rewritten the section on labeling to state that

Re: Updated CCD Mirroring HOWTO

2005-11-26 Thread Robbert Haarman
Dear JCR, Thank you for your informative message. > Things like "HowTo" documents, sites like openbsdsupport.org and lists > like openbsd-newbie@ are more often than not considered garbage. The > reason is simply because you are robbing the reader of the fundamental > and important details that t

Re: Updated CCD Mirroring HOWTO

2005-11-27 Thread Robbert Haarman
Dear JCR, > To the rest of list users; Please pardon another long email from me on > this. Helping reasonable people like Robbert understand why many people > consider "HOWTO's" to be harmful is hopefully worth the added noise and > bandwidth. If this is a concern, why don't we take the discussio

Re: Updated CCD Mirroring HOWTO

2005-11-29 Thread Robbert Haarman
Greg, Again, you raise some interesting issues. I wonder how likely the catastrophic failures you describe are, versus how likely it is that things fail in a way where ccd actually helps you. I was hoping someone else would comment on that, but that doesn't seem to have happened so far. > So