ame, zval *return_value
TSRMLS_DC)
+{
int result;
struct rlimit rl;
char hard[80];
@@ -1148,7 +1149,7 @@
#endif /* HAVE_GETRLIMIT */
-/* {{{ proto int posix_get_last_error(void)
+/* {{{ proto int posix_get_last_error(void) U
Retrieve the error number set by the last posi
at while they work, but then the KVM switch itself crashes
regularly. *sigh*
Nick.
> Regards
>
> Stefan Kell
>
> OpenBSD 4.0 (GENERIC) #1107: Sat Sep 16 19:15:58 MDT 2006
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC
(thanks, and yes, I did use this to confirm that you had a mouse
attached).
Stefan Kell wrote:
> Hello Nick,
>
> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007, Nick Holland wrote:
...
>> It sounds like this:
>> http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq12.html#i386smouse
>>
>> Some KVM switches work great, some don't. I've got some that work
>> great while
in a non-stop loop.
I think -current will be much better for you than -release/stable.
(one problem with this kind of testing: I'm not sure when to end it! :)
At this point in the release cycle, if you have problems with
-current, you are going to have problems with 4.1 unless you report
the
icking your "All Services On" Windows machine directly
on the 'net? Probably. Secure? Not in my opinion.
Nick.
68.43.117.34
But this is also interesting (I think it is, at least):
$ ps -ax|grep authp[f]
Nick.
ficult and almost
impossible for normal users to do. Thus, we get tired of answering
questions about how to do simple tasks the hard way, and thus, we
don't support it.
Nick
runs in text mode only.
>
> CL<
There are two different ports
One is links, the other links+. That's how they are in ports, if a user
wishes to install one of them, they will have to use "links" or "links+",
depending upon what they wish to get.
So that's how I'm reporting 'em.
The links+ link was incorrectly linked, however. Fixed.
Nick.
detail above.
> I'm perfectly aware that it won't be easy nor supported, but considering
> myself experienced UNIX admin (grin :), and having time to spent, and vmware
> hosts to broke ;) (with snapshot feature) I'd like to extend my knowledge of
> OpenBSD by doing those two 'exercises'.
Best way to learn is to screw stuff up.
Preferably in a controlled environment. :)
Nick.
RStachowiak wrote:
> On 18/03/07, Nick Holland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
...
> The question was not about normal upgrade procedure (which I'm perfectly
> aware of ) but about internal working of system during upgrade phase to
> let me understand it better and comprehend
things in a recent 4.0-STABLE build which are NOT yet
in 4.1-stable, because there are no 4.1-stable commits yet, and will not
be until release day. AT THIS TIME, 3.9-stable and 4.0-stable are being
maintained, but 4.1 is not.
Jumping the gun on -release is not wise unless you understand why it
isn't...
Nick.
time to test build on a 486 again...haven't done that in a while.
Took about a week, if I recall properly (I cheat, I got 64M and a 20G
disk in mine!)
Nick.
d be
a Pentium, 100MHz or better, 32M RAM or better. If you want X, I'd bump
that up to a P200, 64M RAM or better. Again, it isn't that it won't run
on slower machines, it is just that you will skip important steps in the
learning process if your machine is too slow.
Keep in mind, some "wickedly fast" (for OpenBSD) machines are probably
sitting out at your neighbor's curb on trash day (my best find so far was
a 733MHz PIII w/256M RAM and a 30G HD). I'm suspecting Vista upgrades
are gonna be putting a lot of otherwise fine machines out on curbs soon.
Nick.
John Brahy wrote:
> Is there any reason I shouldn't add rmoption INET6 to my kernel? I don't use
> IPV6.
maybe because you were smart and read the instructions?
http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#ProbIPv6
You provide the feet, we provide the bullets. And the warning.
Nick.
rev 0x22, Cogent EM440TX
de9 at pci8 dev 5 function 0 "DEC 21140" rev 0x22
de10 at pci8 dev 6 function 0 "DEC 21140" rev 0x22
de11 at pci8 dev 7 function 0 "DEC 21140" rev 0x22
de12 at pci9 dev 4 function 0 "DEC 21140" rev 0x22, Cogent EM440TX
de13 at pci9 dev 5 function 0 "DEC 21140" rev 0x22
de14 at pci9 dev 6 function 0 "DEC 21140" rev 0x22
de15 at pci9 dev 7 function 0 "DEC 21140" rev 0x22
NICk.
y implemented yet and thus it would
be somewhat of a timewaster to worry about those at the moment?
I wouldn't expect much further development in this regard until, say,
April 1, 2008...
Nick.
your
multi-session CD properly, it isn't seeing the CD at all, or you aren't
inspiring it to boot from the CD at all.
The fact that you can boot your FrankenCD from a desktop doesn't negate any
of those possibilities.
Nick.
or pushed
it down to unseen levels. But then, it's an amd64, if you have no
reason to run i386 code on it, I'd recommend running amd64 on it...
Nick.
Stephen Takacs wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 08, 2007 at 12:11:37PM -0400, Nick Holland wrote:
>> What you are describing is almost certainly the i386-on-amd64 problem.
>>
>> Solution is to do one of the following (in my order of preference, your
>> criteria may be dif
he
> code for BSD some more!
>
Or "finish" a few GPL projects. Or BSD projects. Or proactively
audit some code. Or or or...
There is lots of work that can be done to make the world better.
Encouraging the various choirs to preach at each other is
unlikely to change any minds, nor is it going to make the world
better.
Nick.
ending on your usage this might be a
bottleneck, completely eliminating the use of having hardware
acceleration in the first place.
-Nick
d every n weeks without resorting
to scripting modifications to passwd(5)?
-Nick
On 4/17/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I run an openbsd firewall. I want to block certain sites either by IP
address or by domain name. How do I get more information on how to set
this up?
Thanks in advance.
0) Search google. "layer 7 filtering" is a good keyword to start w
et/tech/imblock.html
simple effective, in spite of theoretical shortcomings...
Nick.
I think I might have gone a bit overboard with this reply ah
well. To answer the original email you could also just us a standard
pf block command.
Cheers - Nick
On 18 Apr 2007, at 08:13, Siju George wrote:
> On 4/18/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wro
serial console HW that doesn't send garbage on boot"
would be the best option, but it might be difficult.
All this is mostly wrong if you tell me you aren't using a serial
console, but looking back, I see you DID use a serial console on
a similar/same machine some time back..so I suspect I might be on
to something. :)
Nick.
don't expect lots of demand this year,
next year's systems will be a lot faster, bigger and cheaper.
* Last year's computers loaded with modern disks are still
pretty darned fast for many applications.
Nick.
27;s lots of small partitions, you fix the one with the problem.
>>
>> Even worse, in some situations,
>> the difference is between being dead and being somewhat crippled.
>>
>> Methinks there's lots of hard-won experience behind Nick's answers ;)
yeah, though
For many applications, there is just nothing wrong with logging in
as root, and it is very possible to hurt yourself if you don't have
that option available, or if you do something really stupid on the
way to chasing this silly goal of never logging in as root.
Nick.
Nick Holland wrote:
...
sure fat fingered that topic..sorry about that. 8-/
Nick.
release early. You got that,
you don't get absolutely everything. Yet. :)
The 4.1 infrastructure isn't in place yet. Unless you really know
what you are doing, you really shouldn't be running 4.1-release yet
in mission critical applications, as it is unsupported code. That
will change on May 1...
Nick.
On 4/24/07, Jan Stary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hello list,
I am trying to share swap between OpenBSD 4.0/i386 and FreeBSD,
on a Dell laptop. I have sliced the disk as
The FreeBSD installation lives in 'ad0s1a' (the first and only
partition within the FreeBSD slice), and uses 'ad0s3b' (the onl
ure there is only one disklabel per
disk (because you use disklabel as `disklabel $DISK`). This is not the
same as "each slice gets it's own disklabel"; it's the other way
around, each slice gets an entry in the disklabel.
-Nick
while trying to recode a flac
file to an mp3. Mounting with wrong readsizes caused flac to spew out
errors, after remounting with correct sizes it worked fine.
// nick
On 4/26/07, Douglas Maus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 26, 2007 at 03:33:47AM +, Douglas Maus wrote:
> > Is it possible for users (non-root) to mount NFS exports?
Mike Erdely responded:
> From mount_nfs(8):
> HISTORY
> The -P flag historically informed the kernel to use a res
; did you? :)
One gotcha with these cards: as the NIC is directly attached to a
switch, it always shows link, even if no other device is attached to
the switch.
There are lots of really cool things you can do with these cards, but
they most certainly are not four-port NICs.
Nick.
;Realtek 8139" rev 0x10: irq 12, address
> 00:e0:06:f6:bf:3e
> rlphy0 at rl0 phy 0: RTL internal PHY
...
That looks bad. IRQ12 is used by mouse hardware (an ISA device,
so it can't share interrupts). See if you can persuade your
BIOS to give the NIC a different IRQ. Yeah, there is no visible
conflict, it looks like you don't have the mouse plugged in, but
I don't trust it...
Nick.
the heck did you read that? I'm pretty sure it is not on the
OpenBSD web site, and anywhere else, they haven't kept with the times.
Any machine that can (practically) run Windows XP should be able to
boot from anywhere on an 80G disk. If it can't, it's not OpenBSD's
problem, you need a BIOS update...
Nick.
dns lookup issues..
Cheers - nick
On 4 May 2007, at 14:06, Fred Crowson wrote:
Tang Tse wrote:
Thanks for the answear,
Is it secure to open DNS ports to outside world? Or you mean to
open open
outgoing DNS conections? If i want to redirect incomming ssh
connections
from internet to s
driver"
to "write a new driver from scratch".
Get a dmesg, post it to the list.
Or get yourself a new, cheap IDE adapter that will Just Work.
Or simply use your on-board adapter. For a 10G drive, probably not
huge amounts of difference in performance.
Nick.
ities on a lot of different OSs and a lot of different platforms,
I rather like the OpenBSD way...it shows you the truth, not a glossed
over interpretation intended for the mass market. Because of this,
I've used OpenBSD's fdisk to clean up messes that other OS's could
take care of natively.
Nick.
satimis wrote:
> Hi Nick,
>
> Tks for your advice.
>
>> > Old P-II 350 box
>> > IWill motherboard support - ATA-33 HD
>> > Hot Rod ABit ATA-66 PCI Controller
>> > Maxtor HD - ATA-100 10G connected to above Controller
>> > OpenBSD 4.1 C
area...multibooting is a complete waste of time
for me. :) (argh. just counted, without getting out of my
chair, more like 30 computers...probably more. At least eight
different platforms. I need help.)
Nick.
driver does that
> make a difference?
yes... IF the RAID card has a write cache, SOME of the advantage of
softdeps may not exist. On the other hand, if it doesn't have the
battery, your write performance is so horrible, you probably want
softdeps badly.
If your "busy website" and database is read-mostly, softdeps won't
help.
Nick.
mickey wrote:
> On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 07:06:06AM -0400, Nick Holland wrote:
>> George C wrote:
...
>> > Is it always best to mount /, /tmp, /usr, /var, /home with softdep?
>> > Under what curcumstances would it not be appropriate?
>>
>> If your app
it to be used. See FAQ11 for
more info...
My A21p required stuff similar to above, plus poking at the
HorSync and VertRefresh ranges until I found something that
worked at the 1600x1200 the machine can do...
Not sure if that's going to solve your problem, but I think
it will move you closer.
Nick.
quot; covers a lot of problems... :)
If that's the case, you might want to upgrade to 4.1, which should
take care of the problem.
Nick.
k? This seems
like something is getting overwritten poorly.
-Nick
rwarding on sysctl.conf, yes.
It's so weird. I'm shure it's a very stupid mistake but i can't find it...
Stupid question: did you also reboot?
-Nick
(look for the presence or absence of the word "right" in each...)
Nick.
ok for *my* application.
The authpf code is quite readable..look for the error message, look
at the code that generates it, and remove it. There are a couple
other tests you probably need to remove as well in the same
immediate area.
There are the bullets. Provide your own feet. :)
Nick.
if [ X"${spamd_black}" = X"NO" ]; then
echo -n ' spamlogd'
/usr/libexec/spamlogd ${spamlogd_flags}
Also maybe a mention that the cron job needs the "-b" flag added
in the "BLACKLISTING" section of spamd(8)'s man page.
-Nick Templeton
uot;don't". If you don't have to ask questions
about building, then you already know the answer is usually, "don't"
as well. :)
> And is there anything special I need to do with ports and packages?
yes, you keep them in sync with the rest of your system.
Same as always...
Nick.
On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 12:55:58PM +0200, Maurice Janssen wrote:
> On Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 22:46:29 +0100, Jason McIntyre wrote:
> >On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 05:25:32PM -0500, Nick Templeton wrote:
> >> Since when running spamd(8) in blacklisting mode requires
> >>
really
crappy ROMs on 'em. I've found they often trip over their
own code when there are more than one of them in a machine,
and found some of them don't seem to like 1TB disks attached,
and at least one was not flashable. Prying the ROM off the
board fixed a lot of problems.
If this is your problem and you aren't booting from the
thing, you may wish to consider this solution as well.
Nick.
Chris S wrote:
> On 5/25/07, Nick Holland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> That's an add-on SATA board. Remove card, no problem. Install
>> card, no cursor.
>>
>
> That's not the case for me, I don't even have the cursor on the
> OpenBSD boot
I'm scared. You need to use ripv1 as opposed to ripv2 and support network masks?
On 5/29/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi,
Thanks for your reply.
Quoting Stuart Henderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> routed is an old RIP daemon. you almost certainly don't want it.
Do you know o
ings properly), but I'd bet Vista, given
a chance, will try to save you from ever seeing your data again. Knowing
how long it takes to reinstall Windows XP and 2003, I can only imagine how
long it will take to reinstall (and patch) Vista.
Nick.
On 5/31/07, Damien Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Thu, 31 May 2007, Open Phugu wrote:
> On 5/31/07, qw er <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > It really sucks. it is slow.
> >
> What you say does not apply to OpenBSD. What you said describes you.
I find it amazing that, in 2007, people still re
,
even if you think you aren't using it. So, I'd look at BIOS options to
reserve IRQ12 for ISA or not for PCI, or move the rl(4) card to another
slot.
If none of that works, try disabling pcibios in ukc>
http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#BootConfig
you want to avoid this if at all possible, as it will make your upgrades
exciting. Ask me how I know. Ask me how often I forget to fix that after
every upgrade. Ask me how many times this week. :)
Nick.
Well, the ERR M translates to being a message from the PBR which means,
roughly:
"I grabbed what was hard coded in me to grab, but whatever it was, it
sure didn't look like /boot, so I'm giving you the most explicit error
message I can, but be glad tom@ wrote this code and not nick
luccio01 wrote:
...
> And what do you think about stability of aac driver ?
> Because I read it is not a good idea to use it ...
http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq12.html#aac
do you care about your data?
do you feel lucky?
Nick.
On 6/11/07, Otto Moerbeek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007, Brian A. Seklecki wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007, Otto Moerbeek wrote:
>
> >
> > Please contact krw@, he has been searching testers for RAIDframe root
> > autoconfig on [EMAIL PROTECTED] There's even a diff posted there, iir
disk space available, you
could probably build a temporary work area...but that's not trivial.
Nick.
On 6/12/07, Josh Grosse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Mon, Jun 11, 2007 at 06:59:46PM -0400, Nick Holland wrote:
> am I missing something, or did you neglect to help him with his question,
> which was about how to upgrade with RAIDframe in use?
I had everything except building the
attempt to do `kbd en` returns error.
I was under impression that keyboard maps defined in kernel, so I am not sure
how is it possible to 'lose' mapping.
Any help troubleshooting this problem is appreciated.
Have you rebooted?
What does `wsconsctl keyboard.map` show?
-Nick
r you question in the technical and typical way of this
list: submit a patch.
-Nick
This
second instance is running on a different port. I then used pf to
redirect CERTAIN external IP addresses to that second port, so now
some locations on the Internet get one instance, the rest get the
primary instance.
Nick.
I have current running under VMWare Server using both single and multiprocessor
raidframe enabled kernels (dmsgs below). As far as I can tell everything is
working and softraid is not causing any issues with raidframe autoconfiguration.
I'll try and test on VMWare ESX tomorrow - that emulates an
As mentioned in the article you cite, "Not every application can
or should be chroot(2)ed." Don't break things unnecessarily, but
don't force things that don't fit the chroot idea into a chroot.
Nick.
Martin Schrvder wrote:
2007/6/18, Nick Holland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
The question isn't who owns the files, the question is, who can WRITE
to the files. IF the user www can write to the files,
But the owner can always change the permissions (if the directory is
writable by h
happy.
Read all of this:
http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq15.html
Then come and ask an informed question.
Good luck!
-Nick
uot; you might just
get lucky.
But you'll probably run into problems. They will probably need more
porting than just that. :(
-Nick
Here are the packages (and their dependencies) that I install
to get a nice Xfce desktop:
xfce-utils
xfce4-session
xfce4-taskbar
xfdesktop
xfwm4
Nick
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Alex Kwan
Sent: Mon 6/25/2007 11:26 AM
To: OpenBSD general usage list
Subject
.de/pub/notmine/linuxbsd-comparison.html
Was vnconfig's saltfile option created to address the offline
dictionary attack concerns?
"How" secure is svnd? Most specifically, to be secure in using it,
what weaknesses do I have to be aware of?
-Nick
possible.
Also, for the record, `ps $PID` works (exactly like `ps -p $PID`) as
you'd guess, but it's not in the man page.
-Nick
On 6/26/07, Will Maier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Tue, Jun 26, 2007 at 02:28:37PM -0400, Nick Guenther wrote:
> Is there anyway to make ps format its output to not cut off lines
> at the edge of the screen? Is have a long command line I'm trying
> to remember and I can&#
On 6/27/07, Stuart Henderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 2007/06/26 21:42, John Nietzsche wrote:
> > I believed when openbsd kernel took control, it did not matter the bios
> > stuff.
>
> that's not correct, the kernel has to pull information from the BIOS
> about multiprocessor setup, interr
On 6/27/07, Theo de Raadt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Various developers are busy implimenting workarounds for serious bugs
> in Intel's Core 2 cpu.
>
> These processors are buggy as hell, and some of these bugs don't just
> cause development/debugging problems, but will *ASSUREDLY* be
> exploit
ore duo, but the errata is for. How do you
know the bugs are all the same? I mean, seeing as it's a large
monopolistic corp, I'm sure many of the same mistakes were carried
over, but all of them?
I don't know much about the recent history of these chips. Are there
any good summaries around?
-Nick
ight
direction, possibly example code, it would be much appreciated.
Well, the only way I know of to go up a directory level is .. or
softlinks that point up. So that should be all you have to check for.
(and even if I`m wrong, hopefully now more people will notice your
question)
-Nick
em. If you still can't figure it out, provide fdisk and disklabel
output for us and we'll try to figure it out.
-Nick
On 7/4/07, smonek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On FreeBSD i have 'sysctl kern.msgbuf_clear' bu OpenBSD don't
> > > > have this options
> > >
> > > find a clean one here: /var/run/dmesg.boot
> > >
> > > HTH,
> > >
> > > Timo
> >
> > This now work
>
> cool! :)
sorry not work :-(
I
How is this any worse?
On 7/4/07, Jose H. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I think it is a pretty valid question(request?), you have to relay on
external mechanisms, like syslog, or to compare differences from previous
outputs of dmesg.
On HP-UX dmesg has the optional parameter '-' which:
syste
Jose H. wrote:
...
> On 7/4/07, Nick Guenther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
...
>> Why do you need to clear the dmesg?
> I think it is a pretty valid question(request?), you have to relay on
> external mechanisms, like syslog, or to compare differences from previous
> ou
unds like I need to do some more "small RAM" testing again.
I am actually somewhat surprised (but not shocked) that 32M is
not enough for three NICs, but things have grown since the 3.6
days. It's getting hard to get down to the 16M-32M range
anymore on systems that aren't painful to ssh into. :)
Nick.
probably don't want to be in a virtualization environment. If you
are trying to optimize for the sake of optimizing, there are probably
a lot better ways of spending your (and our!) time.
Nick.
gt; expected.
>
> In summary, am I being dumb or is something out of sync?
>
Something is out of sync... For some reason that directory isn't
replicating properly. I'll bring that up with the right people...
Nick.
le are starting to appreciate my advice to keep the partitions
well under 1TB in size...and 500GB is starting to look really,
really big.
Nick.
have
also tried enabling ACPI at boot time with ( -c, UKC> enable acpi, quit
) which produces same result. In addition I have tried booting with the
i386 release media, and experienced exactly the same problem.
Dmesg's captured through tty com0 attached below.
Many thanks in advance
ference is only in the documentation. The following two
constructs behave the same in /bin/sh and /bin/ksh :
[[ foobar = f*r ]] && echo YES || echo NO
[ foobar = f*r ] && echo YES || echo NO
At least, they do when I just tried :
That's because in OpenBSD they are the same binary..
-Nick
David Gwynne wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2007 at 12:29:51PM +0100, Nick Humphrey wrote:
>> I am having trouble with installing OpenBSD 4.1 on a new amd64 server
>> with an Areca ARC-1210 raid card. When I boot from the 4.1 CD install
>> media, everything seems fine up until i
On 7/20/07, carlopmart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi all,
This is my third post about problems with OpenBSD 4.1 during last two
months ...
Crash report from console:
How can I fix this?? I can find any bug report abot this on OpeBSD's
site
Please it is very urgent ...
Many th
David Gwynne wrote:
> can you try a snapshot bsd.rd?
>
David,
Below is dmesg from latest 4.1 amd64 snapshot of 2007-07-19 with acpi
enabled. Still hangs at same point.
Kind regards,
Nick
--
booting cd0a:/4.1/amd64/bsd.rd: 2193904+
imary partition.
Nick.
my zaurus, and today my laptop paniced when I plugged it's
ath(4) in and tried to use it too fast.
-Nick
lf with either an accidentally OpenBSD-only system or a blank
system. Grab someone's virus-infested computer they are discarding,
and get to know OpenBSD on that. That solves a few problems at once. :)
Nick.
hen /where is it/?
I'll be so grateful for any pointers in the right
direction, -Nick
DON'T work. :) I'd aim at maybe making that IRQ14 an ISA IRQ. Don't
quote me on this, I'm not as up on PCI interrupt handling as I should
be, but seeing something sitting on IRQ14 was really bad back in the
ISA days. :)
STEP 3: Try poking pcibios(4) with ukc> (see FAQ 5). Try disabling it
first, then giving it various flags (I'd tell you which to try, 'cept
it usually isn't the one I'd have guessed, so I'm just gonna say, try
'em all, 0x1, 0x2, 0x4, 0x8 ..)
Nick.
erly.
5) Those SiI chips suck, or at least their ROMS suck. I've solved a
lot of problems by literally prying the ROM off the board on some of
those things. I don't think that's your problem, I'm just venting
here :) (and since you are trying to boot from these devices, DON'T
RIP THE ROM off the board. You need it. :)
6) There may be quirks in OpenBSD. You may be the person who has
attached the slowest "disk drive" to a SATA controller and attempted
to install and run OpenBSD on it. Or it may be fixed already. I'd
suggest trying -current to resolve problems like this.
Nick.
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