Re: man to render pure text? (or a pipe in vi macros ?)

2020-03-02 Thread Ingo Schwarze
RCS file: /cvs/src/usr.bin/mandoc/manconf.h,v retrieving revision 1.7 diff -u -p -r1.7 manconf.h --- manconf.h 22 Nov 2018 11:30:15 - 1.7 +++ manconf.h 2 Mar 2020 17:06:54 - @@ -1,6 +1,6 @@ /* $OpenBSD: manconf.h,v 1.7 2018/11/22 11:30:15 schwarze Exp $ */ /* - * Copyright (c) 2011, 2015,

Re: man to render pure text? (or a pipe in vi macros ?)

2020-03-02 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Marc, Marc Chantreux wrote on Mon, Mar 02, 2020 at 07:07:37PM +0100: > On Mon, Mar 02, 2020 at 12:06:42PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: >> Alternatively, have you tried using any web searches on this topic? > i have to admit i try to avoid the web for many reasons so i try to > stick to manpages,

Re: man to render pure text? (or a pipe in vi macros ?)

2020-03-03 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Marc, Marc Chantreux wrote on Tue, Mar 03, 2020 at 10:05:41AM +0100: > Ingo Schwarze wrote: >> :map K yw:E /tmp/vi.keyword.$$p!!xargs man >> >> i get: >> >> Error detected while processing function >> line 30: >> E132: Function call

Re: Wikidata:Property proposal

2020-03-05 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Christophe Poncy wrote on Thu, Mar 05, 2020 at 11:33:23PM +0100: > There is two property proposals to review on Wikidata, one related to > NetBSD and the other to OpenBSD. > > Please see: > https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/OpenBSD_port > > Any comments are very welco

Re: OpenBSD official reference book ( like FreeBSD handbook / NetBSD Guide )

2015-09-28 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Adam, Adam wrote on Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 12:04:56PM +0200: > What I like about the https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/ It is intentional that OpenBSD does not have a handbook like FreeBSD. OpenBSD is not supposed to be so complicated that you need to read a book to use it, or even to becom

Re: disklabel fs types, where can I find the whole list of supported types?

2015-10-05 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Mikael, Mikael wrote on Mon, Oct 05, 2015 at 01:44:36PM +0800: > Hi, > > Where can I see a complete list of disklabel fs types? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_type But note that such a list can never be authoritative, never complete, and by definition of the concept, almost all of

Re: disklabel fs types, where can I find the whole list of supported types?

2015-10-05 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Eric Furman wrote on Mon, Oct 05, 2015 at 04:18:02AM -0400: > Its been explained to you already. > You're just being a troll now. Eric, please don't insult users. Just because i misunderstand a question doesn't mean it's a stupid question. Repeating an unanswered question is not trolling. I

Re: mk.conf in examples?

2015-10-16 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Jan, Jan Stary wrote on Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 08:17:49AM +0200: > Should mk.conf(5) be present in /etc/examples, > or is it not there on purpose? Not every potential configuration file needs an example. As a general direction, i'd rather aim for reducing the number of files in /etc/examples/ t

Re: mk.conf in examples?

2015-10-16 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Antoine, Antoine Jacoutot wrote on Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 02:26:12PM +0200: > On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 02:21:38PM +0200, Ingo Schwarze wrote: >> Jan Stary wrote on Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 08:17:49AM +0200: >>> Should mk.conf(5) be present in /etc/examples, >>> or is it no

Re: mk.conf in examples?

2015-10-16 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, li...@wrant.com wrote on Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 03:38:25PM +0300: > Is examples a good candidate for samples of everything etc that the > user may be wondering about compared to only contain examples for base > system daemons? Of course. For example, /etc/examples/pf.conf is not misplaced, ev

Re: Two typos in faq10.html

2015-10-19 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Reinhold, Reinhold Straub wrote on Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 02:56:49PM +0200: > Hi, I found two typos in faq10.html > > 10.10 - How do I create a ftp-only account? > Should be: an ftp-only > > A more sophisticated dosas.conf(5) file > Should be: doas.conf(5) Committed, thanks. Ingo

Re: GUI is for wimps second the currently opinion of hardcore OpenBSD user community?

2015-11-11 Thread Ingo Schwarze
> Is good idea to create a [...] variant of OpenBSD No. If anything can be improved, submit patches.

Re: if I were to make a pkg-add diff

2015-12-24 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, pkg_add(1) is about the hardest program in base to get patches into, even for experienced developers who know what they are doing, even if the patches are of reasonable quality and well thought out. Almost all of my own attempts at improving it led to nowhere, with very few exceptions for very

Re: Leftover formatted man pages

2016-01-04 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Brendan, Brendan Shanks wrote on Mon, Jan 04, 2016 at 04:16:14PM -0800: > Starting with OpenBSD 5.0, formatted man pages (/usr/share/man/catX) > were no longer installed (as mentioned at > http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.os.openbsd.misc/189931). > However, the upgrade instructions never said

Re: ls cant print higher UTF-8 chars

2016-01-06 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Jon, Jon S wrote on Wed, Jan 06, 2016 at 10:56:52AM +0100: > In an attempt to get a better idea on how to make all non-ascii chars > appear correctly in windows/samba, ssh and the local console I get the > impression that UTF-8 is the charset that is mostly used in general and > also most grow

Re: Missing files in etc

2016-01-07 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Roderich, Roderich wrote on Thu, Jan 07, 2016 at 09:53:16PM +: > What can I do? Look in /var/sysmerge/. Ingo

Re: codepage and iocharset in fat32 aka msdos filesystem

2016-01-17 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Lampshade wrote on Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 04:12:39PM +0100: > I am from Poland. > I am using Windows 8.1 64-bit and OpenBSD-current amd64. > When I used Gnu/Linux I mounted fat32 partitions > with these options: > iocharset=iso8859-2,codepage=852 The only charset supported by the OpenBSD base

Re: security(8) mailbox check question

2016-01-23 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Adam, Adam Wolk wrote on Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 07:54:44PM +0100: > After some IRC talk with ebarret we came to the following conclusions: > - the script assumes the mailbox is a file (in my case it's a maildir) > - the comment should say 'unreadable by others' > > I think check_mailboxes sho

Re: just a friendly request

2016-01-23 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, ty armour wrote on Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 04:29:07PM -0500: > I am looking for tutorials on developing any and every aspect of > OpenBSD, from bootloaders to device drivers to writing a > raspberry pi image of OpenBSD. > > The more tutorials the better, OpenBSD developers tend to think the op

Re: Willing to help

2016-01-25 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Rodrigo, redirected to misc@, this is off-topic on tech@. Rodrigo Mosconi wrote on Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 06:54:32PM -0200: > I would like to receive some help/mentoring. I`m cursing a master degree > course at PUC-Rio, and I need to "create a useful program that performs a > service of interes

Re: Willing to help

2016-01-26 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, ropers wrote on Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 05:10:35AM +0100: > On 26 January 2016 at 00:37, Rodrigo Mosconi wrote: >> Ingo Schwarze wrote: >>> * ftp(8) is very old and suffering from bitrot; the last attempt to >>>rewrite it trickled out with no obvious conclus

Re: can't run multiple instances of httpd, flags not visible in processes

2016-01-28 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Antoine Jacoutot wrote on Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 10:41:52AM +0100: > As mentioned in another thread already: > # ln -s /etc/rc.d/mydaemon /etc/rc.d/mydaemon2 > Then use mydaemon2_flags ... in rc.conf.local. This seems to be a recurring user question. Do you consider this addition useful? I t

Re: can't run multiple instances of httpd, flags not visible in processes

2016-01-29 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Antoine, Antoine Jacoutot wrote on Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 11:52:48PM +0100: > Please give me a couple of days and I'll send a diff. Sure, no problem, diff retracted. Yours, Ingo

Re: support new

2016-02-09 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, William Mimart wrote on Mon, Feb 08, 2016 at 08:36:59PM +0100: > 0 > C FRANCE > P Normandie > T Rouen > Z 76000 > O mimart.info Sorry, but this doesn't make any sense to me. This entry wouldn't be related to OpenBSD at all. It seems to be something about kittens... Consequently, entry not

Re: Upgrade from snapshot to release.

2016-02-10 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Paco Esteban wrote on Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 05:14:09PM +0100: > On Wed, 10 Feb 2016, Ville Valkonen wrote: >> On Feb 10, 2016 5:16 PM, "Paco Esteban" wrote: >>> I've one machine that has 5.8-current (20th of October snapshot). >>> This is a "hardly-ever-touched" machine and I would prefer to

Re: Upgrade from snapshot to release.

2016-02-10 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Adam Wolk wrote on Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 05:18:45PM +0100: > The exact day of when a release snapshot is taken is not announced. Wrong. Looking at the CVS repo, you can see every single change in all branches, so it is possible to figure out which exact state of the code went into -release,

Re: Upgrade from snapshot to release.

2016-02-10 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Raf, Raf Czlonka wrote on Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 04:51:12PM +: > If you take enough care, i.e. make sure you follow current.html[0] > and the update guide once it becomes available[1] after 5.9 gets > released, To go to 5.9-release or 5.9-stable, upgrade59.html is sufficient. There is no ne

Re: Kernel panic during installation

2016-02-13 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Stuart Henderson wrote on Sat, Feb 13, 2016 at 08:45:35PM +: > On 2016-02-12, Donald Allen wrote: >> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 3:42 PM, Stefan Sperling wrote: >>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 03:03:46PM -0500, Donald Allen wrote: I just used this exchange as an example to a friend who buys eve

Re: support update

2016-02-19 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, James Shupe wrote on Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 01:06:49PM -0600: > 0 > C USA > P Texas > T Pflugerville > Z 78691 > O HermeTek Network Solutions > I James Shupe > A P.O. Box 2264 > M sa...@hermetek.com > U https://www.hermetek.com/bsd-linux-support > B 512.792.2525 > X 512.888.9889 > N We provide

Re: mandoc output paper size

2017-10-29 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Mike, hi Jan, Mike Williams wrote on Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 10:26:08AM +: > If the media size is important for a page then there > should be a PS setpagedevice call like the following: [...] > Basically don't rely on DSC comments to do media selection. [...] > It may be useful to use a med

Re: CUPS and AVAHI (bloatware)

2017-10-29 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, gwes wrote on Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 03:40:48PM -0400: > On 10/26/17 07:24, Rupert Gallagher wrote: >> If you have a server with limited resources and without X11, >> you cannot install the present cups package. I can't comment on CUPS and avahi in particular, but yes, in general, X libraries

Re: CUPS and AVAHI (bloatware)

2017-10-29 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Cag wrote on Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 09:49:49PM +: > headers and such - in -dev; No. OpenBSD is a developer-oriented system, so headers are an integral part of the installation. Installing them must not be optional, or it will cause nothing but needless confusion as soon as people actuall

Re: CUPS and AVAHI (bloatware)

2017-10-29 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Cag, Cag wrote on Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 10:51:29PM +: > Ingo Schwarze wrote: >> No. OpenBSD is a developer-oriented system, so headers are an >> integral part of the installation. Installing them must not be >> optional, or it will cause nothing but needless co

Re: mandoc output paper size

2017-10-30 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Mike, Mike Williams wrote on Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 10:32:46AM +: > On 10/29/17 19:40, Ingo Schwarze wrote: >> Mike Williams wrote on Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 10:26:08AM +: >>> If the media size is important for a page then there >>> should be a PS setpagedev

Re: CUPS and AVAHI (bloatware)

2017-10-30 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Rupert Gallagher wrote on Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 06:11:45AM -0400: > Ingo, we must not install 100MB of unwanted optional software. > Since when OpenBSD joined the bandwagon of bloatware? Since 1995. Sure, OpenBSD tends to avoid installing stuff that is never needed, but avoiding to install s

Re: CUPS and AVAHI (bloatware)

2017-10-30 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, gwes wrote on Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 01:43:03AM -0400: > The last time AVAHI got installed on one of my systems > the installer started it immediately. > Avahi then proceeded to scribble on that system's > network configuration and confuse other systems on > that subnet. That doesn't sound lik

Re: CUPS and AVAHI (bloatware)

2017-10-31 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Dumitru, Dumitru Moldovan wrote on Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 10:58:25AM +0200: > On 30.10.2017 00:32, Ingo Schwarze wrote: >> Cag wrote on Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 09:49:49PM +: >>> man/info pages, pdf/html docs - in -doc; >> Over my dead body. Software without doc

Re: FOSDEM 2018 - Distributions Devroom Call for Participation

2017-11-03 Thread Ingo Schwarze
tpicking on the concept of the conference is not. Yours, Ingo -- Ingo Schwarze

Re: mandoc -Tlint requires Mdocdate and RCS id

2017-11-08 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Jan, Jan Stary wrote on Wed, Nov 08, 2017 at 04:13:19PM +0100: > this is a minimalized manpage that currently fails mandoc -Tlint: > > .Dd November 8, 2017 > .Dt AUDIO 3 > .Os > .Sh NAME > .Nm libaudio This is broken, .Dt/.Nm mismatch. Mandoc should probably warn, but doesn't. > .Nd manipul

Re: CVS Diff : FAQ Ports Guide 2

2017-11-10 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, fixed, thanks. I also deleted trailing whitespace and added a missing comma while there. Yours, Ingo > Index: faq/ports/guide.html > === > RCS file: /cvs/www/faq/ports/guide.html,v > retrieving revision 1.75 > diff -u -p -r1

Re: sensorsd and acpiac0.indicator0?

2017-11-28 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Job, Job Snijders wrote on Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 03:12:10PM +: > I'm tweaking how my laptop behaves depending on whether it is pluggde > into AC or not. Any hints or alternative suggestions are welcome. > > This is my config: > > /etc/sensorsd.conf: > > acpiac0.indicator0:command=/et

Re: xterm(1) changing UTF-8 characters when copy-pasting?

2017-11-29 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Philippe, Philippe Meunier wrote on Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 09:11:38AM -0500: > I've noticed something unexpected when copy-pasting UTF-8 characters in > xterm: xterm seems to change some of the characters into something > different but visually similar. Here's an example (using ksh): > > $ una

Re: xterm(1) changing UTF-8 characters when copy-pasting?

2017-11-29 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Philippe, Philippe Meunier wrote on Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 11:35:59AM -0500: > Ingo Schwarze wrote: >> Philippe Meunier wrote: >>> $ ls >>> Thérèse >> That's a bad idea. Do not use non-ASCII bytes in file names. > That's a nice thought but

Re: xterm(1) changing UTF-8 characters when copy-pasting?

2017-11-29 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Anthony, Anthony J. Bentley wrote on Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:29:28AM -0700: > Ingo Schwarze writes: >> That's a bad idea. Do not use non-ASCII bytes in file names. >> You are in for all kinds of trouble. > I don't agree. In a situation where a single user will b

Re: STYLE: whitespace at end of input line

2017-11-29 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Jan, Jan Stary wrote on Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 09:05:48PM +0100: > the manpage below does not go through mandoc -Tlint -Wstyle, because > > mandoc -Tlint -Wstyle *.1 > mandoc: ecurve.1:48:1: STYLE: whitespace at end of input line > mandoc: ecurve.1:49:7: STYLE: whitespace at end of input

Re: obligatory leaving letter

2017-11-29 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Jay, Jay Williams wrote on Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 05:17:05PM -0600: > As a new user to OpenBSD, who is trying to learn as much as I can, > seeing a message like this is very disheartening. Please do not worry about this particular case. The user who wrote this message contributed almost nothin

Re: OpenBSD Puffy Stickers

2017-11-30 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Jay Williams wrote on Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 11:34:21AM -0600: > P.S. Does anyone know why the official OpenBSD store doesn't sell > stickers? I bet they'd be a big seller! People loved them while they were still sold, but in the end, even though they were accompanied by installable CDs sets a

Re: xterm(1) changing UTF-8 characters when copy-pasting?

2017-11-30 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Allan Streib wrote on Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:09:13PM -0500: > Philippe Meunier writes: >> Allan Streib wrote: >>> Are you using xterm(1) or uxterm(1)? >> uxterm does not exist anymore on OpenBSD 6.1: >> https://www.openbsd.org/faq/upgrade61.html > Hm. Well that's one that I overlooked. I'

Re: xterm(1) changing UTF-8 characters when copy-pasting?

2017-12-01 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Anthony, Anthony J. Bentley wrote on Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 11:28:54PM -0700: > You'll need extra fonts once I finish my patch to add situationally > appropriate emoji to all our manpages. I'm looking forward to that. Don't forget to make them animated, make the colours fully configurable, and

Re: xterm(1) changing UTF-8 characters when copy-pasting?

2017-12-01 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Anthony J. Bentley wrote on Fri, Dec 01, 2017 at 08:18:59AM -0700: > Philippe Meunier writes: >> - In addition, when the precompose resource is set to false and TrueType >> fonts are used, the result of printf "e\xcc\x81\n" itself is wrong (even >> before trying to copy-paste it): od(1) s

Re: .Va errno

2017-12-12 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Jeremie Courreges-Anglas wrote on Wed, Dec 06, 2017 at 06:55:22PM +0100: > On Tue, Dec 05 2017, Jan Stary wrote: >> All annotated occurences of "errno" in intro(2) are .Va, >> except this one which is .Dv - is that intended? >> >> The others talk about the "varible" errno, this one is >> an

Re: Manual to cd (change working directory)

2017-12-13 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Freddy, Freddy Fisker wrote on Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 10:22:32PM +0100: > I can't get the manual to the cd (change working directory) command. That is not a stand-alone command, but a shell built-in. Actually, it is not even possible to implement it as a stand-alone command because the effect o

Re: Manual to cd (change working directory)

2017-12-14 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Dumitru Mișu Moldovan wrote on Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 09:42:57AM +0200: > La 13.12.2017 23:36, Niels Kobschaetzki a scris: >> On Linux the man page for bash opens, > Not necessarily true, on my Hardened Gentoo this is the first page of > what I get for "man cd" (sorry for the wrapping): > > C

Re: Manual to cd (change working directory)

2017-12-14 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Christian, Christian Weisgerber wrote on Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 03:20:22PM -: > On 2017-12-13, Ingo Schwarze wrote: >> That is not a stand-alone command, but a shell built-in. >> Actually, it is not even possible to implement it as a stand-alone >> command beca

Re: Manual to cd (change working directory)

2017-12-14 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Benno, the manual page should describe in more detail how exactly PWD and OLDPWD get changed, it is of crucial importance here. Sebastian Benoit wrote on Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 11:14:40PM +0100: > Xcd $@ No doubt you removed the quoting from the Solaris 9 version to evade Copyright issues, rri

Re: Kindly support this initiative for a public git repository of OpenBSD source code located at Germany!

2017-12-28 Thread Ingo Schwarze
k instead. If the VCS seems so important to you that you think OpenBSD is unusable with CVS, your priorities are completely screwed up, so just stop using it and go use Windows or Linux or whatever. Yours, Ingo -- Ingo Schwarze

Re: Config-/Dotfiles in CVS

2017-12-29 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Micheal, it all depends on your specific needs and the scale of your deployment. When people maintain very large numbers of machines and very often commission new ones and decommission old ones, i often hear such people say that they wouldn't be able to handle their workload without tools like

Re: Cgi shell script in httpd

2017-12-31 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Jordon, Jordon wrote on Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 09:29:05PM -0600: > I thought it would be nice to create a shell script with the old name > that would spit out a simple page saying the name changed and providing > a link to the new cgi app. I made the shell script but for the life of > me cannot

Re: Where to get Loongson hardware?

2018-01-08 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Peter N. M. Hansteen wrote on Mon, Jan 08, 2018 at 01:12:40PM +0100: > On Mon, Jan 08, 2018 at 12:47:39PM +0100, Marcus MERIGHI wrote: >> Just happened to recall kd85.com. >> >> http://lemote.kd85.com/ >> >> But honestly I just got confused by this website. > The landing page there has a

Re: Kindly support this initiative for a public git repository of OpenBSD source code located at Germany!

2018-01-09 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Lari Rasku wrote on Tue, Jan 09, 2018 at 09:58:04PM +0200: > (Surprising to see that the average OpenBSD Git object is almost > thrice the size of a Linux one, though.) Comparing apples with oranges: Linux is a kernel, OpenBSD src contains userland. Linux-land stuff is famous for excessive

Re: Writing "ones" instead of "zeroes" when wiping disk

2018-01-11 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Andreas, Andreas Thulin wrote on Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 02:45:21PM +: > Again, an ignorant question (as usual): > How might I do something similar to > # dd if=/dev/one of=/dev/sd0 bs=1M jot -cs '' 512 255 255 writes 512 bytes with all bits set. Feel free to use larger numbers than 512.

Re: identifying software and licenses used in base install

2018-01-18 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Kent, Kent Watsen wrote on Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 11:11:40PM +: > I'm throwing together a quick proof-of-concept thingy to give to a > customer and thought it might be fun to use OpenBSD as the OS for the > VM image. Unfortunately, the not so fun part of it is that I'm > required to get

Re: identifying software and licenses used in base install

2018-01-18 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, cho...@jtan.com wrote on Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 09:27:22AM +0200: > ... as more time goes by the more damage and less advantage I see > by the existence of software licenses. This is imprecise. The *proliferation* of software licenses is indeed a problem, in particular the proliferation of co

Re: identifying software and licenses used in base install

2018-01-18 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Nick, Nick Holland wrote on Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 09:44:41PM -0500: > Things that aren't BSD-ish license are in /usr/src/gnu. Still true, but... > If that's where your problem is, that's what you want to leave out. ... that part is mildly misleading. Large parts below /usr/src/gnu/ *are* BSD

Re: Unexpected security(8) output

2018-01-26 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Clint, Clint Pachl wrote on Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 10:43:47AM -0700: > I received the following output from security(8): > > Running security(8): > Can't > opendir(/home/pachl/.cache/mozilla/seamonkey/e8cxa4g0.default/safebrowsing-backup): > No such file or directory at /usr/libexec/security

Re: Unexpected security(8) output

2018-02-03 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Craig, Craig Skinner wrote on Thu, Feb 01, 2018 at 06:15:02PM +: > This is something I put in /etc/daily.local > > SUIDSKIP=$(mount | awk '/nosuid/ { print $3 }') On your own system, fair enough. In the official script, i would rather not exclude such file systems because it seems usefu

Re: Random bans and weird behavior by blakkheim on the IRC channel, lift please? Wondering what's up with this guy, expecting sufficient manners from IRC chat ops.

2018-02-03 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, ti...@openmailbox.org wrote on Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 05:31:11PM -: > The operator "blakkheim" just banned me on the project's IRC channel, The OpenBSD project does not even have an official IRC channel, so this mail is completely off-topic on misc@ and i'm not even going to read the rest

Re: Promoting OpenBSD on the Unix & Linux Stack Exchange site

2018-02-06 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Andreas Kusalananda Kaehaeri wrote on Tue, Feb 06, 2018 at 02:11:54PM +0100: > I'm quite active on the Unix & Linux Stack Exchange site > (https://unix.stackexchange.com/). They are currently asking for > "Community Promotion Ads" > (https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4765/communi

Re: xterm not showing Norwegian alphabet

2018-02-10 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Xianwen Chen, Xianwen Chen wrote on Sat, Feb 10, 2018 at 10:41:19PM +: > I use C shell, csh. When I change the shell to Bourne shell, sh, On OpenBSD, sh(1) is not a Bourne shell, but the same binary as ksh(1), a Korn shell, which is reasonably POSIX-compatible with various extensions. Yo

Re: xterm not showing Norwegian alphabet

2018-02-11 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Xianwen Chen, Xianwen Chen wrote on Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 08:50:20AM +: > Would you agree that a good startig point would be to look at how > your implemented UTF-8 support in ksh(1)? Probably, that's one of the pieces of information you need. I'm not sure it will be sufficient, though; i

Re: UNIX Stackexchange - Community Promotion Ads - 2018

2018-02-25 Thread Ingo Schwarze
couldn't because that site appears to require login before you can use it. And no, i'm not going to create an account on some random site just for such a petty thing. Yours, Ingo -- Ingo Schwarze http://www.openbsd.org/ http://mdocml.bsd.lv/

Re: UNIX Stackexchange - Community Promotion Ads - 2018

2018-02-25 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Oh, and by the way, please stop promoting Stackexchange. That is doing OpenBSD users a disservice. Trying to find help regarding OpenBSD on Stackexchange is an utterly stupid idea.

Re: UNIX Stackexchange - Community Promotion Ads - 2018

2018-02-25 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Martin, Martin Schroeder wrote on Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 08:00:34PM +0100: > 2018-02-25 18:29 GMT+01:00 Ingo Schwarze : >> And no, i'm not going to create an account on some >> random site just for such a petty thing. > Stackoverflow is "some random website".

SSL_CIPHER_description(3) weirdness

2018-02-27 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, this is just too weird to not mention it. If you write a function for a complicated task, designing the user interface well requires hard work. But you might think that not much can go wrong when designing a function for a trivial task. Guess again... Here is my new candidate for the worstl

Re: manual assistance

2018-03-15 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, mitch wrote on Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 08:48:48PM -0500: > Try this website. I found it useful > https://liw.fi/manpages/ No, much of that site delivers bad advice, much of it is Linux-specific, and besides, it completely misses the question of the OP because it is about man(7), not about mdoc(

Re: bug tracking system for OpenBSD

2018-04-01 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Christoph, Christoph R. Murauer wrote on Sun, Apr 01, 2018 at 01:56:47PM +0200: > not a problem from the OpenBSD developers ? There *is* an actual problem: Some bug reports are not processed immediately because at the time they are posted, nobody happens to find the time to investigate. Lat

Re: Documenting library promises.

2018-04-06 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Kristaps, Kristaps Dzonsons BSD.LV wrote on Fri, Apr 06, 2018 at 09:57:09PM +0700: > Short: what do you recommend for documenting an external library's > pledge(2) requirements? That is an interesting question indeed. I never considered it before, so i will think about it in some detail. Fo

Re: Documenting library promises.

2018-04-06 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Kristaps, Kristaps Dzonsons BSD.LV wrote on Sat, Apr 07, 2018 at 01:37:32AM +0700: > The only reason I suggest a standalone section is that it's easier > to standardise across manpages. For that goal, using ".Ss Pledge promises" at the end of the DESCRIPTION might work. For now, such consist

Re: Documenting library promises.

2018-04-07 Thread Ingo Schwarze
HI, Remco wrote on Sat, Apr 07, 2018 at 09:23:53AM +0200: > What about having some sort of function yourlib_pledge_set_promises() > that sets up these requirements ? I think this also has the advantage of > automatically separating pledge specific code (and a man page) from > generic code as w

Re: support new

2020-11-01 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Computer Planet wrote on Mon, Nov 02, 2020 at 12:07:00AM +0100: > 0 > C ITALY > P Cosenza > T San Marco Argentano > Z 87018 > O Computer Planet > I Ernesto Bellomusto > A P.zza Giuseppe Garibaldi, 7 > M open...@cpnetserver.net > U http://www.node51.net/ That line seems inappropriate to me b

Re: groups new

2020-11-01 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Computer Planet wrote on Sun, Nov 01, 2020 at 11:20:03PM +0100: > 0 > C ITALY > P Cosenza > T San Marco Argentano > F Irregular > O OpenBSD CpnetServer > I Ernesto Bellomusto > M open...@cpnetserver.net > U node51.net > N OpenBSD | *BSD Is there any evidence that this group actually exists?

Re: support new

2020-11-16 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, i don't care greatly if another developer wants to add this, but i advise against it. Talking to this person is a tedious job, he seems to not understand very well what you say or to not really listen. He is also quite bad at explaining stuff and it's hard to figure out what he is driving at

Re: support new

2020-11-17 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Emre, Emre Kal wrote on Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 04:55:55PM +0100: > If my request is rejected again, please provide me with the *objective* > reasons why I am not allowed to list my services as a OpenBSD consultant. That won't happen. > I believe I am entitled You are not entitled to anything.

Re: development best practices

2020-11-28 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Bjoern, bjoern gohla wrote on Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 12:27:47PM +: > i'm fairly new to openbsd. and i've run into the following problem, > where i want to hack a project (most recently trying to fix a possible > issue with i3status), but building the from the git source > tree fails. > > no

Re: support new

2020-11-29 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, supo...@mdfsoftware.com.br wrote on Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 01:40:18PM -0300: > 0 > C Brazil > P Ceará > T FORTALEZA > Z 60410442 > O MDFSoftware > I Oliveira Filho, D. A. > A Av. Eduardo Girão 355 > M supo...@mdfsoftware.com.br > U http://www.mdfsoftware.com.br/ > B +55-85-9-89739017 > X +55-85

Re: support new

2020-12-09 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, AMG Labs wrote on Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 03:55:52PM -0300: > 0 > C Brazil > P RS > T Santo Antonio da Patrulha > Z 95500-000 > O AMG Labs > I Angelito Monteiro Goulart > A Av. Cel Victor Villa Verde 126/301 > M cont...@amglabs.net > U https://www.amglabs.net/ > B +55 51 92000 7613 > X > N We ar

Re: support new

2020-12-09 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Janne, Janne Johansson wrote on Wed, Dec 09, 2020 at 01:23:23PM +0100: > There is some, > > "We offer the server management service. We work on the deployment and > management of servers with open source technologies such as CentOS, Debian, > FreeBSD, OpenBSD and Ubuntu Server." Fair enough,

Re: Making a portable version of imsg - where to find regression tests?

2020-12-12 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Aisha, Aisha Tammy wrote on Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 05:40:14PM -0500: > I was trying to create a small standalone portable version of the > imsg utilities for linux and I managed to get it compiling (yea!!) > and have put it on github [1]. I freely admit i didn't look at that. > It is also work

Re: OpenSMTPD-extras manual

2020-12-19 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Maksim & Edgar, Edgar Pettijohn wrote on Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 03:37:22PM -0600: > On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 08:02:19PM +0300, ?? wrote: >> Where can I find any manuals and examples regarding OpenSMTPD-extras? Try: $ man -k ^table- $ man table-passwd table-socketmap t

Re: Website - Missing kstat man page

2021-01-03 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Daniel Jakots wrote on Sat, Jan 02, 2021 at 11:19:07PM -0500: > On Sat, 2 Jan 2021 22:57:06 -0500, wrote: >> I came across a broken link during some pre-install research. >> >> While browsing URL https://www.openbsd.org/68.html, >> I noticed URL link on the webpage for kstat(1) generates >>

Re: Updating user groups - deregistering Iran BSD User Group (IRBUG)

2021-01-26 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Faraz, Faraz Vahedi wrote on Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 08:05:32AM +: > With a heavy heart, I am writing to hereby announce the end of the > IRBUG's activities, the user group that I have been running for about > two years. Because of the current situation in Iran, the pandemic era, > and sever

Re: MANPAGER

2021-06-04 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Heinrich, Heinrich Rebehn wrote on Sun, May 30, 2021 at 10:02:41AM +0200: > I did see LESS_IS_MORE, but there were probably good reasons for > the OpenBSD devs to switch to less(1). Prosaic as it may seem, and featurism indeed feeling not too typical for OpenBSD, my reason for switching basic

Re: mount(8) security and symlink(7)

2021-06-25 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Reuben ua Brig wrote: > when OpenBSD is happy to change even man.conf We change things when all of the following hold: 1. There is a significant problem to be solved, or a significant profit to be gained. Regarding man.conf: the old format was over-engineered, wordy, hard to use,

Re: Localization of date(1) and XFCE

2021-06-25 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Jan Stary wrote on Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 11:24:15AM +0200: > On Jun 20 18:58:31, ffuen...@texto-plano.xyz wrote: >> I speak Spanish and thus I use a locale called es_CL.UTF-8. XFCE is fine >> with it. However, my date is expressed directly as it comes from date(1). >> This is confirmed by thei

Re: support and consulting: new entry request

2021-06-30 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Navan, Navan Carson wrote on Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 01:08:55PM -0600: > The TLS certificate is invalid for https://obsd.solutions/. > It's for some mcafee.com names. I'm sorry, but so far, i'm unable to reproduce. When i connect to obsd.solutions with HTTPs, the following certificate is retur

Re: displaying and typing czech letters

2021-07-12 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Tomas, tomas rodr wrote on Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 06:58:07PM +0200: > I am currently tied by X to display the following [ latin letters with Czech accents] > Likewise the keyboard encoding is done by setxkbmap. What steps > would I have to take to achieve the same result without running X? Be

Re: style.9 typos

2021-07-16 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Claudio and Todd, Todd C. Miller wrote on Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 02:01:23PM -0600: > You are expected to know that ^I (control-I) is the tab character. > Using ^I instead of a literal tab character in the manual was > supposed to make it clear that this is a tab and not a series of > spaces but

Re: new support

2021-07-16 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Robert, nice to have a service provider in Poland, too. :-) Committed; it will show up on the OpenBSD site with a short delay. Yours, Ingo bi...@apisoft.pl wrote on Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 04:26:56PM +0200: > 0 > C Poland > P mazowieckie > T Radom > Z 26-600 > O APISOFT Sp. z o.o. > I Robe

Re: groups new

2021-07-16 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Stefan, Stefan Hagen wrote on Fri, Jul 16, 2021 at 12:22:55PM +0200: > U https://uugrn.org i suspect that your web server is misconfigured; at least for me, it appears to redirect to itself: $ w3m -dump_source https://uugrn.org Redirection loop detected (https://uugrn.org/) 302 Found [.

Re: groups new

2021-07-16 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Stefan, committed! While committing, i added the missing "P Baden" because it appears we sort the German groups alphabetically by Land. Some might regard the following as typical ;-) for Germany: This Group is not just an informal group (like, for example, the OpenBSD project itself is), bu

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