Filesystem corruption w/ RAID array

2006-09-01 Thread Robert Jones
All - I am having issues with filesystem corruption on a RAID1 array using RAIDframe on OpenBSD 3.7. If I copy a large (500M+) file onto a filesystem on the array, the copied file will end up corrupted, other files on the filesystem may end up corrupted and fsck will show various errors i

Re: "Fuzzy" patching broken?

2006-09-01 Thread viq
On 9/1/06, Ted Unangst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 8/31/06, viq <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 8/31/06, Otto Moerbeek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Now I don't know if GNU patch has a more smart heuristic for this > > case, but it could very well be just good luck GNU patch is appplying > > t

Re: "Fuzzy" patching broken?

2006-09-01 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Fri, 1 Sep 2006, viq wrote: > On 9/1/06, Ted Unangst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 8/31/06, viq <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On 8/31/06, Otto Moerbeek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Now I don't know if GNU patch has a more smart heuristic for this > > > > case, but it could very wel

Re: The future of NetBSD

2006-09-01 Thread Gilbert Fernandes
I have a dream. A dream of unification. Having one BSD. Merging the three projects and, why not, keeping incompatible stuff as options that would be either one or another. But when you tell yourself that it cannot be done, you don't even try it. It would require people to not only do it for th

Re: The future of NetBSD

2006-09-01 Thread Jeff Rollin
On 01/09/06, Gilbert Fernandes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have a dream. > > A dream of unification. > > Having one BSD. Merging the three projects and, why not, keeping > incompatible stuff as options that would be either one or another. > > But when you tell yourself that it cannot be done,

Re: The future of NetBSD

2006-09-01 Thread R. Tyler Ballance
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 It would require people to not only do it for the sake of their projects, but for the whole BSD people. Even those who really piss you off in other projects. Because someday, those projects will live on without us. We'll pass on like everyone. Am

Re: The future of NetBSD

2006-09-01 Thread Larry O'Neill
On Fri, 1 Sep 2006, Gilbert Fernandes wrote: > I have a dream. I have a reality > > A dream of unification. A reality involving separation > > Having one BSD. Merging the three projects and, why not, keeping > incompatible stuff as options that would be either one or another. Having 3 differe

Re: about signing OpenBSD packages

2006-09-01 Thread Joachim Schipper
On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 03:41:19AM +0300, Madars wrote: > On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 01:59:08 +0300, Andrew Dalgleish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > >>[..] > >>I do trust the packages that are on the CDs, but as > >>space is limited, you can't put all of them there. > >>[..] > > >Packages on the CD

Re: DVD to distribute OpenBSD Packages (Re: about signing OpenBSD packages)

2006-09-01 Thread Joachim Schipper
On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 09:50:34AM +0800, Tito Mari Francis Esca?o wrote: > On 9/1/06, Madars <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >...I do trust the packages that are on the CDs, but as > >space is limited, you can't put all of them there. > Does the OpenBSD project consider the use of DVD to distribute t

Re: DVD to distribute OpenBSD Packages (Re: about signing OpenBSD packages)

2006-09-01 Thread Jasper Lievisse Adriaanse
On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 03:11:50PM +0200, Joachim Schipper wrote: > On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 09:50:34AM +0800, Tito Mari Francis Esca?o wrote: > > On 9/1/06, Madars <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >...I do trust the packages that are on the CDs, but as > > >space is limited, you can't put all of them

Re: Filesystem corruption w/ RAID array

2006-09-01 Thread Joachim Schipper
On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 02:32:08AM -0500, Robert Jones wrote: > All - > > I am having issues with filesystem corruption on a RAID1 array using > RAIDframe on OpenBSD 3.7. If I copy a large (500M+) file onto a > filesystem on the array, the copied file will end up corrupted, other > files o

Re: DVD to distribute OpenBSD Packages (Re: about signing OpenBSD packages)

2006-09-01 Thread Paul de Weerd
On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 03:11:50PM +0200, Joachim Schipper wrote: | On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 09:50:34AM +0800, Tito Mari Francis Esca?o wrote: | > On 9/1/06, Madars <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | > >...I do trust the packages that are on the CDs, but as | > >space is limited, you can't put all of them

Re: DVD to distribute OpenBSD Packages (Re: about signing OpenBSD packages)

2006-09-01 Thread Marius Van Deventer - Umzimkulu
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Joachim Schipper > Sent: 01 September 2006 03:12 PM > To: misc@openbsd.org > Subject: Re: DVD to distribute OpenBSD Packages (Re: about signing OpenBSD > packages) > > On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 09:50:34AM

Re: DVD to distribute OpenBSD Packages (Re: about signing OpenBSD packages)

2006-09-01 Thread Paul de Weerd
On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 03:54:46PM +0200, Marius Van Deventer - Umzimkulu wrote: | At least it could be a choice. Pay a little more and get a cd set on DVD | instead of cd. I'm sure it would be no problem to set up a local ftp | server for those sparc boxes either. That's not a good plan - it wou

Re: DVD to distribute OpenBSD Packages (Re: about signing OpenBSD packages)

2006-09-01 Thread Marius Van Deventer - Umzimkulu
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Paul de Weerd > Sent: 01 September 2006 04:12 PM > To: misc@openbsd.org > Subject: Re: DVD to distribute OpenBSD Packages (Re: about signing OpenBSD > packages) > > On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 03:54:46PM +0

Re: The future of NetBSD

2006-09-01 Thread Anton Karpov
2006/9/1, Gilbert Fernandes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > I have a dream. > > A dream of unification. > > Having one BSD. Merging the three projects and, why not, keeping > incompatible stuff as options that would be either one or another. Opensource is about choice. If you don't like something, when

Re: DVD to distribute OpenBSD Packages (Re: about signing OpenBSD packages)

2006-09-01 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2006/09/01 15:54, Marius Van Deventer - Umzimkulu wrote: > At least it could be a choice. Pay a little more and get a cd set on DVD > instead of cd. I'm sure it would be no problem to set up a local ftp > server for those sparc boxes either. Pay a little more? - sounds optional, which just won

Re: DVD to distribute OpenBSD Packages (Re: about signing OpenBSD packages)

2006-09-01 Thread Seth Hanford
Paul de Weerd wrote: > On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 03:54:46PM +0200, Marius Van Deventer - Umzimkulu > wrote: > | At least it could be a choice. Pay a little more and get a cd set on DVD > | instead of cd. I'm sure it would be no problem to set up a local ftp > | server for those sparc boxes either.

Configuring remote access and a pf question

2006-09-01 Thread mop
Hi I have a home network set up with an OpenBSD gateway which is bridged to an ADSL router, two Windows XP machines and assortment of old boxes I play around with, and a few IP's available to me. What I want is remote access back to my windows boxes probably using VNC, and to be able to ssh to my

Re: DVD to distribute OpenBSD Packages (Re: about signing OpenBSD packages)

2006-09-01 Thread Shane J Pearson
Hi Joachim, On 01/09/2006, at 11:11 PM, Joachim Schipper wrote: Now *that* would suck. Most of my i386 boxes won't read a DVD, and I'm fairly certain that getting a sparc to read a DVD isn't as easy as making a i386 do the same. I have a Lite-On DVD-ROM drive temporarily hanging off a Sun Ult

Re: Configuring remote access and a pf question

2006-09-01 Thread viq
On 9/1/06, mop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi I have a home network set up with an OpenBSD gateway which is bridged to an ADSL router, two Windows XP machines and assortment of old boxes I play around with, and a few IP's available to me. What I want is remote access back to my windows boxes prob

Re: "Fuzzy" patching broken?

2006-09-01 Thread Ted Unangst
On 9/1/06, viq <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 9/1/06, Ted Unangst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 8/31/06, viq <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 8/31/06, Otto Moerbeek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Now I don't know if GNU patch has a more smart heuristic for this > > > case, but it could very w

Re: "Fuzzy" patching broken?

2006-09-01 Thread viq
On 9/1/06, Ted Unangst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 9/1/06, viq <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 9/1/06, Ted Unangst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 8/31/06, viq <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On 8/31/06, Otto Moerbeek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Now I don't know if GNU patch has a mor

Re: about signing OpenBSD packages

2006-09-01 Thread Madars
On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 15:47:53 +0300, Joachim Schipper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If you are sufficiently paranoid, use the ports tree. However, it is assumed that you are capable enough to use it - no support is given. I have used ports from -release branch with no problems and it shouldn't be

Re: Filesystem corruption w/ RAID array

2006-09-01 Thread Robert Jones
On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 03:19:02PM +0200, Joachim Schipper wrote: > On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 02:32:08AM -0500, Robert Jones wrote: > > All - > > > > I am having issues with filesystem corruption on a RAID1 array using > > RAIDframe on OpenBSD 3.7. If I copy a large (500M+) file onto a > > fi

Re: The future of NetBSD

2006-09-01 Thread Spruell, Darren-Perot
From: Charles M. Hannum > On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 01:08:13AM +0200, Matthias Kilian wrote: > > They don't have to write device drivers at all, they just > should write > > good documentation. > > What we really want is not just documentation, but support > from their engineers. The Linux commu

Re: The future of NetBSD

2006-09-01 Thread Charles M. Hannum
On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 10:40:01AM -0700, Spruell, Darren-Perot wrote: > Like, what docs does a vendor engineering division give to the developers > who write the drivers internally? They don't give them bad docs. They give > them functional, useful docs. Does it need to be stated that any project

fping & systrace

2006-09-01 Thread Julien TOUCHE
i want to use fping with with nrpe/nagios. as security doc of OpenBSD state, i want to use systrace privilege elevation but ... $ sudo /bin/systrace -a -c 556:556 /usr/local/sbin/fping localhost This program can only be run by root, or it must be setuid root. $ sudo /bin/systrace -a /usr/local/sbi

Re: The future of NetBSD

2006-09-01 Thread Charles M. Hannum
On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 01:08:13AM +0200, Matthias Kilian wrote: > They don't have to write device drivers at all, they just should > write good documentation. Unfortunately, the "documentation" often isn't so hot either. I'll give you an example. Even with both code and "documentation" from Rea

Re: The future of NetBSD

2006-09-01 Thread Whyzzi
I was happy to continue lurking and not trolling, but it appears some Open Source users still don't get it, and I figured perhaps by saying it again might enlighten a few more. On 31/08/06, Marc G. Fournier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: what my point is, though, is if we aren't willing to accept 'v

Re: The future of NetBSD

2006-09-01 Thread Breen Ouellette
Whyzzi wrote: On 31/08/06, Marc G. Fournier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: what my point is, though, is if we aren't willing to accept 'vendor written drivers', then it is *we* that are limiting our growth but limiting what hardware we can run stably on ... Sadly, you've twisted the point in the w

Re: The future of NetBSD

2006-09-01 Thread John Baldwin
On Friday 01 September 2006 11:27, Charles M. Hannum wrote: > On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 01:08:13AM +0200, Matthias Kilian wrote: > > They don't have to write device drivers at all, they just should > > write good documentation. > > Unfortunately, the "documentation" often isn't so hot either. I'll

Re: The future of NetBSD

2006-09-01 Thread Per Fogelstrom
On Friday 01 September 2006 19:40, Spruell, Darren-Perot wrote: > Like, what docs does a vendor engineering division give to the developers > who write the drivers internally? They don't give them bad docs. They give > them functional, useful docs. Does it need to be stated that any project > wanti

Re: The future of NetBSD

2006-09-01 Thread Spruell, Darren-Perot
From: Charles M. Hannum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 10:40:01AM -0700, Spruell, Darren-Perot wrote: > > Like, what docs does a vendor engineering division give to the > > developers who write the drivers internally? They don't > give them bad > > docs. They give them func

Re: fping & systrace

2006-09-01 Thread Ted Unangst
On 9/1/06, Julien TOUCHE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: i want to use fping with with nrpe/nagios. as security doc of OpenBSD state, i want to use systrace privilege elevation but ... $ sudo /bin/systrace -a -c 556:556 /usr/local/sbin/fping localhost This program can only be run by root, or it must

Re: The future of NetBSD

2006-09-01 Thread Spruell, Darren-Perot
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > What we really want is not just documentation, but support > from their > > engineers. The Linux community is starting to get this in > some places. > > Yes. In many cases, the reason a company doesn't want to > release documentation is

Re: The future of NetBSD

2006-09-01 Thread matthew . garman
On Thu, Aug 31, 2006 at 11:40:14PM -0400, Daniel Ouellet wrote: > on it then on Windows. But it didn't pay as IBM didn't get support > calls. So, they let it die, without telling anyone obviously. It > was secure and stable for it's time anyway. Ever tried to by > direct from IBM > ... > secure or

Re: fping & systrace

2006-09-01 Thread Julien TOUCHE
Ted Unangst wrote on 01/09/2006 21:21: >> seems fping runs a root check which cannot be overcome by a switch (at >> least in man) >> even if the policy of fping is with "as root" for everything it can't >> run ... >> anything beyond editing the code ? > > tried setting the policy to have getuid re

Re: The future of NetBSD

2006-09-01 Thread Charles M. Hannum
On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 12:16:59PM -0700, Spruell, Darren-Perot wrote: > From: Charles M. Hannum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 10:40:01AM -0700, Spruell, Darren-Perot wrote: > > > Like, what docs does a vendor engineering division give to the > > > developers who write the

Re: The future of NetBSD

2006-09-01 Thread Jon R H
There is no way anybody can "win" from any of this! That's the worst part of it all! all BSD's will & are suffering! The future is always looking back to see what it has to work with! There is no future with out a past! The software its self ( BSD's) is smarter them the ones making it. Thats th

Re: The future of NetBSD

2006-09-01 Thread chefren
On 08/31/06 01:27, Charles M. Hannum wrote: The NetBSD Project has stagnated to the point of irrelevance. Stop whining and spamming to get interest for your broken project and start doing something interesting, this "future of..." has clearly nothing to do with that. "Shut up and code!" ins

Re: DVD to distribute OpenBSD Packages (Re: about signing OpenBSD packages)

2006-09-01 Thread Joachim Schipper
On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 03:30:26PM +0200, Paul de Weerd wrote: > On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 03:11:50PM +0200, Joachim Schipper wrote: > | On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 09:50:34AM +0800, Tito Mari Francis Esca?o wrote: > | > On 9/1/06, Madars <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | > >...I do trust the packages that

Re: Filesystem corruption w/ RAID array

2006-09-01 Thread Joachim Schipper
On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 12:20:04PM -0500, Robert Jones wrote: > On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 03:19:02PM +0200, Joachim Schipper wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 02:32:08AM -0500, Robert Jones wrote: > > > All - > > > > > > I am having issues with filesystem corruption on a RAID1 array using > >

Re: Configuring remote access and a pf question

2006-09-01 Thread Joachim Schipper
On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 09:41:18PM +0800, mop wrote: > Hi > > I have a home network set up with an OpenBSD gateway which is bridged to an > ADSL router, two Windows XP machines and assortment of old boxes I play > around with, and a few IP's available to me. What I want is remote access > back to

carp or trunk for loadbalancing?

2006-09-01 Thread Jay Jesus Amorin
hi, which is better to use if i load balance my 2 ethernet ports, would you prefer to use carp or trunk? btw im going to load balance 2 ethernet ports on my openbsd firewall going to my manage switch which supports 802.1q and port-aggregation or load sharing between multiple ports. thanks a lot f

Re: fping & systrace

2006-09-01 Thread Ted Unangst
On 9/1/06, Julien TOUCHE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > tried setting the policy to have getuid return an error of 0? > > isn't it limited to a deny (returning an errorcode) ? so how ? native-getuid: permit native-getuid: permit[0] => error native-getuid: permit as root => error yeah, actually

Re: skeyinit and lock - login class data unavailable (side effect of login_ldap permissions for login.conf)

2006-09-01 Thread Todd C. Miller
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> so spake "Rogier Krieger" (rkrieger): > Is there a way to open up login.conf without divulging the bindpw? > Reading the login_ldap and login.conf man pages, I did not find any. > > So far, I see two possible remedies: [1] patching login_ldap to obtain > sen

Re: Configuring remote access and a pf question

2006-09-01 Thread Bill
On Fri, 1 Sep 2006 21:41:18 +0800 "mop" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spake: > Hi > > I have a home network set up with an OpenBSD gateway which is bridged to an > ADSL router, two Windows XP machines and assortment of old boxes I play > around with, and a few IP's available to me. What I want is remote acc

Re: Configuring remote access and a pf question

2006-09-01 Thread Stuart Henderson
> I have a home network set up with an OpenBSD gateway which is bridged to an > ADSL router, two Windows XP machines and assortment of old boxes I play > around with, and a few IP's available to me. What I want is remote access > back to my windows boxes probably using VNC, and to be able to ssh to

mg missing functions?

2006-09-01 Thread Michael Hutt
I was trying to use mg at home and all of the documentation seems to indicate that 'C-x 3' should split the window horizontally and 'C-x 2' should split the window vertically. In reality, 'C-x 2' splits the screen horizontally and 'C-x 3' does nothing. I haven't changed any settings and my ~/.mg

Re: mg missing functions?

2006-09-01 Thread Han Boetes
Michael Hutt wrote: > I was trying to use mg at home and all of the documentation seems to > indicate that 'C-x 3' should split the window horizontally and 'C-x 2' > should split the window vertically. In reality, 'C-x 2' splits the > screen horizontally and 'C-x 3' does nothing. I haven't change