Re: PF aliases -- how can these be improved?

2005-05-09 Thread Stuart Henderson
--On 08 May 2005 20:43 -0300, Juan Vera wrote: vi) vi /etc/pf.conf It might be useful to have this run 'pf test' automatically afterwards, like nsh does. You may also consider having either 'test', 'reload', or a separate command, check-in the file with RCS or CVS - keeping a revision h

Re: Rant: how stupid does java look

2005-05-09 Thread Joel Rees
Thank you, Adam, your trolling induced me to plug something in at google and browse a bit: http://www.google.com/ search?hl=en&lr=&q=%22C%23%22%2B%22performance%22%2B%22java%22 The ones I found particularly interesting were these two: http://www.sosnoski.com/presents/dotnetusers/java-dotnet.ht

Re: F-Secure Computer Virus Information Pages: Googkle

2005-05-09 Thread steve . shockley
On Sun, May 8, 2005 11:00 am, Dave Feustel wrote: > Can the malware at Gookle.com described at the link > crack OpenBSD and/or Konqueror? (I am far from an expert, so I practice > 'better safe > than sorry' when I see f-secure's explicit warnings). Well, aside from the win32-centric nature of that

some questions about OpenBSDs future plans

2005-05-09 Thread Sascha Retzki
Hello folks, 1.) Do you plan to distribute several MTAs, like NetBSD currently does? Or do you already (first check said no, but maybe I missed something)? 2.) Do you plan to distribute PAM in base? 3.) Did anybody look close enough on TenDRA yet? I'd like to know how much GNUism is in OpenBSDs

Re: some questions about OpenBSDs future plans

2005-05-09 Thread Michael Shalayeff
re the source is freely available and that along w/ cvs logs shall give you answers to most of your questions cu Making, drinking tea and reading an opus magnum from Sascha Retzki: > Hello folks, > > 1.) Do you plan to distribute several MTAs, like NetBSD currently does? Or > do you already (firs

Re: some questions about OpenBSDs future plans

2005-05-09 Thread Hannah Schroeter
Hello! I'm no official OpenBSD developper, it's just my impressions. On Mon, May 09, 2005 at 05:16:14PM +0200, Sascha Retzki wrote: >Hello folks, >1.) Do you plan to distribute several MTAs, like NetBSD currently does? Or >do you already (first check said no, but maybe I missed something)? I do

Re: some questions about OpenBSDs future plans

2005-05-09 Thread Rogier Krieger
You should do your homework before posting questions like these. On 5/9/05, Sascha Retzki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 1.) Do you plan to distribute several MTAs, like NetBSD currently does? Or > do you already (first check said no, but maybe I missed something)? If by 'distribute' you mean 'dist

Re: pf.conf troubles

2005-05-09 Thread Jason Opperisano
On Sun, May 08, 2005 at 11:10:38PM +0200, GV wrote: > Now, the above should normally block all the traffic to my server - but it > doesn't! Am I missing something here? > > Also, I followed the section "Packet Logging Through Syslog" in > "http://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/logging.html"; and created

Re: some questions about OpenBSDs future plans

2005-05-09 Thread Rogier Krieger
On 5/9/05, Rogier Krieger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Currently, OpenBSD includes XFree86 4.4.0. That is, includes an unencumbered X. See the FAQ (#1) on this. Cheers, Rogier -- If you don't know where you're going, any road will get you there.

Re: some questions about OpenBSDs future plans

2005-05-09 Thread Ben Goren
All these questions have been thoroughly discussed on [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please search the archives for detailed information. I'll add quick notes as I'm waiting for something to finish right now and have a quick moment with nothing better to do. It's worth noting that I'm not a developer, so I'

Re: some questions about OpenBSDs future plans

2005-05-09 Thread Henning Brauer
* Rogier Krieger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-05-09 18:09]: > On 5/9/05, Rogier Krieger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Currently, OpenBSD includes XFree86 4.4.0. > > That is, includes an unencumbered X. See the FAQ (#1) on this. to be clear, OpenBSD includes X.org these days. The latest XFree we sh

Re: some questions about OpenBSDs future plans

2005-05-09 Thread Henning Brauer
* Sascha Retzki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-05-09 17:22]: > 1.) Do you plan to distribute several MTAs, like NetBSD currently does? hah. besides that beeing stupid, let's see what options we have... -qmail: unfree -postfix: unfree -exim: dunno license currently, but awkward 80s design, poor implem

Re: some questions about OpenBSDs future plans

2005-05-09 Thread Miod Vallat
> 1.) Do you plan to distribute several MTAs, like NetBSD currently does? Or > do you already (first check said no, but maybe I missed something)? There are no such plans; other MTA are available in the ports tree. > 2.) Do you plan to distribute PAM in base? No. OpenBSD uses so-called ``BSD aut

Re: some questions about OpenBSDs future plans

2005-05-09 Thread Miod Vallat
> http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html#36 comes to mind. Currently, > OpenBSD includes XFree86 4.4.0. No, currently, OpenBSD includes X.org 6.8.2. OpenBSD has NEVER included XFree86 4.4.0, which is not considered free enough. What has been included in 3.6 was all the ``old-license'' XFree86 code, wi

Re: F-Secure Computer Virus Information Pages: Googkle

2005-05-09 Thread Dave Feustel
On Monday 09 May 2005 09:16 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Sun, May 8, 2005 11:00 am, Dave Feustel wrote: > > Can the malware at Gookle.com described at the link > > crack OpenBSD and/or Konqueror? (I am far from an expert, so I practice > > 'better safe > > than sorry' when I see f-secure's exp

mixing ports and packages

2005-05-09 Thread Vlad Ciubotariu
Hello misc, I'm installing packages from the 3.7 cd and only use the ports to build those that are not present there. Installing certain packages from ports fails when one of the prerequisite has already been installed as a package from the cd. Should the port infrastructure check for prerequisit

Re: some questions about OpenBSDs future plans

2005-05-09 Thread Jesper Louis Andersen
Quoting Sascha Retzki ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > 3.) Did anybody look close enough on TenDRA yet? I'd like to know how much > GNUism is in OpenBSDs base, building mechanism, so basicly it adds up to: > How long do we/you have to wait till TenDRA can be used? Tendra is, unfortunately, not that interes

Re: some questions about OpenBSDs future plans

2005-05-09 Thread Sascha Retzki
On Mon, May 09, 2005 at 09:08:38AM -0700, Ben Goren wrote: > Unix uses X for its windowing environment. If and when this ever > changes, I'm sure The Powers That Be will consider the alternatives. > > Until then, this is like asking if people like using spoons for their > soup, and if they'd con

Re: some questions about OpenBSDs future plans

2005-05-09 Thread Sascha Retzki
On Mon, May 09, 2005 at 06:13:19PM +0200, Henning Brauer wrote: > * Sascha Retzki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-05-09 17:22]: > > 1.) Do you plan to distribute several MTAs, like NetBSD currently does? > > hah. besides that beeing stupid, let's see what options we have... amen. > > 2.) Do you plan to

Re: Rant: how stupid does java look

2005-05-09 Thread Adam
On Mon, 9 May 2005 07:40:10 +0100 Joseph Kiniry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > While I guess I should have been a little more specific to only > > include > > languages that have enough libraries to be useful, and obviously > > purely functional languages aren't comparable, you ignoring the > >

Re: pf.conf troubles

2005-05-09 Thread GV
well, the silly one is simply me! I didn't see that after a "pf=YES" entry, it was one with a "NO"!!! Thanks George On Monday 09 May 2005 17:53, Jason Opperisano wrote: > On Sun, May 08, 2005 at 11:10:38PM +0200, GV wrote: > > Now, the above should normally block all the traffic to my server -

Re: some questions about OpenBSDs future plans

2005-05-09 Thread Anil Madhavapeddy
On Mon, May 09, 2005 at 07:38:16PM +0200, Jesper Louis Andersen wrote: > Quoting Sascha Retzki ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > > 3.) Did anybody look close enough on TenDRA yet? I'd like to know how much > > GNUism is in OpenBSDs base, building mechanism, so basicly it adds up to: > > How long do we/you

Re: some questions about OpenBSDs future plans

2005-05-09 Thread Jesper Louis Andersen
Quoting Anil Madhavapeddy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > Yeah, Tendra's pretty dead. I'd wager it would be to easier to glue > a register allocator onto /usr/ports/devel/cil and have a nice clean > start. Rather nice thought. While we are at it why don't we take most of the ccured code in and bind with t

OpenBSD 3.7 and 'tcpdump' problems [amd64]

2005-05-09 Thread Per Engelbrecht
Hi all I'm having a peculiar problem with 'tcpdump' on a OpenBSD 3.7 (20050404 snap) amd64. ('dmesg, + 'sysctl' + 'fstab' are below) tcpdump with 0-2 flags = output. tcpdump with 3-x flags = no output. tcpdump with x flags and '-w' = non written at all. When 'tcpdump' is stopped I recive normal '

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Re: some questions about OpenBSDs future plans

2005-05-09 Thread sebastian . rother
> Quoting Anil Madhavapeddy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > >> Yeah, Tendra's pretty dead. I'd wager it would be to easier to glue >> a register allocator onto /usr/ports/devel/cil and have a nice clean >> start. > > Rather nice thought. While we are at it why don't we take most of the > ccured > code in an

Re: some questions about OpenBSDs future plans

2005-05-09 Thread Miod Vallat
> Some birds told me Theo got a hint about a compiler at the FosDem... > And yes gcc will be replaced one day... but not now, nor in 3.8... > Maybe in 3.9/4.0.. Some birds tell me you speak out of your arse. Even if the plan9 compiler looks nice. > So maybe the Dev-team would be so friendly to wr

stat(1) first appeared in openBSD 3.8?

2005-05-09 Thread Brian
I think the HISTORY section is wrong. But I do not know what it supposed to read. http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=stat&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=OpenBSD+Current&arch=i386&format=html Cheers, Brian Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.c

Re: stat(1) first appeared in openBSD 3.8?

2005-05-09 Thread Peter Hessler
How is it wrong? Is it in 3.7 or earlier? On Mon, May 09, 2005 at 03:05:40PM -0700, Brian wrote: :I think the HISTORY section is wrong. But I do not know what it supposed to :read. : :http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=stat&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=OpenBSD+Current&arch=i386&format

Re: stat(1) first appeared in openBSD 3.8?

2005-05-09 Thread Marc Espie
On Mon, May 09, 2005 at 03:05:40PM -0700, Brian wrote: > I think the HISTORY section is wrong. But I do not know what it supposed to > read. No, it's just right.

Re: stat(1) first appeared in openBSD 3.8?

2005-05-09 Thread Todd C. Miller
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> so spake Brian (bwaichu): > I think the HISTORY section is wrong. But I do not know what it supposed to > read. It is not wrong; stat(1) was added post-3.7 therefore the first release it is included in will be 3.8. - todd

Re: some questions about OpenBSDs future plans

2005-05-09 Thread sebastian . rother
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> I personaly don't care a lot for the compiler (even i would prefere a >> BSD-Licensed compiler)... but for the drivers (e.g. ath for amd64). >> And after I bought an ath-base card I noticed why ppl. wanna get >> ral-based cards... > > Why is ral preferred over ath (in

Re: some questions about OpenBSDs future plans

2005-05-09 Thread Stuart Henderson
--On 09 May 2005 23:05 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So maybe the Dev-team would be so friendly to write (for 3.8. e.g.?) the archs behind the drivers. The list of drivers supported on each arch, are on the webpage about that arch.

Re: stat(1) first appeared in openBSD 3.8?

2005-05-09 Thread Anthony Roberts
> I think the HISTORY section is wrong. But I do not know what it supposed to > read. You are possibly confused because that page talks about a command rather than the system call.

Re: some questions about OpenBSDs future plans

2005-05-09 Thread Jonathan Weiss
>> Some birds told me Theo got a hint about a compiler at the FosDem... >> And yes gcc will be replaced one day... but not now, nor in 3.8... >> Maybe in 3.9/4.0.. > > Some birds tell me you speak out of your arse. Even if the plan9 > compiler looks nice. > You made my day! Still grinning :-) Jonat

Re: stat(1) first appeared in openBSD 3.8?

2005-05-09 Thread chefren
On 05/10/05 00:17, Todd C. Miller wrote: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> so spake Brian (bwaichu): I think the HISTORY section is wrong. But I do not know what it supposed to read. It is not wrong; stat(1) was added post-3.7 therefore the first release it is included in will be 3.8. - to

Re: some questions about OpenBSDs future plans

2005-05-09 Thread Ben Goren
On 2005 May 9, at 2:23 PM, Miod Vallat wrote: > Even if the plan9 > compiler looks nice. Forgive me if I'm out of the loop, but has the license changed since two years ago? http://www.monkey.org/openbsd/archive/misc/0306/msg01274.html (That's just the start of the thread. Read at least th

3.7 : HP Pavilion Celeron Custom Kernel "pid killed due to lack of floating point support"

2005-05-09 Thread Jack J. Woehr
I'm trying to build a 3.7 kernel for an old HP Pavilion (P6 466) but each kernel I build has problems with processes (like sshd) which it declares are "killed due to lack of floating point support". I'm not sure what the problem is, since GENERIC works okay without the option GPL_MATH_EMULATE ...

Re: 3.7 : HP Pavilion Celeron Custom Kernel "pid killed due to lack of floating point support"

2005-05-09 Thread Peter Hessler
Custom Kernels are *NOT* supported. You commented out required stuff. Just run GENERIC. Don't try to figure out what you commented out wrongly, just use GENERIC. http://openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why On Mon, May 09, 2005 at 07:18:45PM -0600, Jack J. Woehr wrote: :I'm trying to build a 3.7 ke

Re: some questions about OpenBSDs future plans

2005-05-09 Thread sebastian . rother
> --On 09 May 2005 23:05 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> So maybe the Dev-team would be so friendly to write (for 3.8. e.g.?) >> the archs behind the drivers. > > The list of drivers supported on each arch, are on the webpage about > that arch. Why? http://www.openbsd.org/37.html Lets read i

Re: 3.7 : HP Pavilion Celeron Custom Kernel "pid killed due to lack of floating point support"

2005-05-09 Thread Jack J. Woehr
Peter Hessler wrote: > > Custom Kernels are *NOT* supported. You commented out required stuff. > Just run GENERIC. Don't try to figure out what you commented out > wrongly, just use GENERIC. Oh, be that way :-) This "custom kernels not supported" stuff must be a fairly recent doctrine. I've bee

Re: 3.7 : HP Pavilion Celeron Custom Kernel "pid killed due to lack of floating point support"

2005-05-09 Thread Theo de Raadt
> > Custom Kernels are *NOT* supported. You commented out required stuff. > > Just run GENERIC. Don't try to figure out what you commented out > > wrongly, just use GENERIC. > > Oh, be that way :-) This "custom kernels not supported" stuff must be > a fairly recent doctrine. I've been customizin

Re: 3.7 : HP Pavilion Celeron Custom Kernel "pid killed due to lack of floating point support"

2005-05-09 Thread Aaron Glenn
On 5/9/05, Jack J. Woehr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm not sure what the problem is, since GENERIC works okay without > the option GPL_MATH_EMULATE ... was it the commenting out of > 586 support for this allegedly 686-class box? Just to clarify: GENERIC works fine? aaron.glenn

Re: some questions about OpenBSDs future plans

2005-05-09 Thread Henning Brauer
* Ben Goren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-05-10 01:31]: > On 2005 May 9, at 2:23 PM, Miod Vallat wrote: > > > Even if the plan9 > > compiler looks nice. > > Forgive me if I'm out of the loop, but has the license changed since > two years ago? yes, that's the entire point. -- BS Web Services, http

Re: some questions about OpenBSDs future plans

2005-05-09 Thread Henning Brauer
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-05-10 02:16]: > Why? > http://www.openbsd.org/37.html > > Lets read it together: > > "Improved hardware support, including:" > - a lot of drivers it nowhere sdays on all archs. learn to read. the platform pages clearly state what is supported on whi

Re: 3.7 : HP Pavilion Celeron Custom Kernel "pid killed due to lack of floating point support"

2005-05-09 Thread Jack J. Woehr
Aaron Glenn wrote: > > On 5/9/05, Jack J. Woehr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm not sure what the problem is, since GENERIC works okay without > > the option GPL_MATH_EMULATE ... was it the commenting out of > > 586 support for this allegedly 686-class box? > > Just to clarify: GENERIC works f

Re: 3.7 : HP Pavilion Celeron Custom Kernel "pid killed due to lack of floating point support"

2005-05-09 Thread Jack J. Woehr
Theo de Raadt wrote: > > They why did you mail out a configuration file that removed the floating > point npx driver? So that someone would point out that I had removed the floating point npx driver. Thanks for answering my question! > That is why we do not support people like you. You make s

Re: some questions about OpenBSDs future plans

2005-05-09 Thread Ben Goren
On 2005 May 9, at 6:09 PM, Henning Brauer wrote: >>> Even if the plan9 >>> compiler looks nice. >> >> Forgive me if I'm out of the loop, but has the license changed since >> two years ago? > > yes, that's the entire point. I don't suppose anybody could elaborate? I'm not having any luck finding

Re: some questions about OpenBSDs future plans

2005-05-09 Thread Jan Izary
Ben, Henning's, "yes, that's the entire point," referred to there being no plan9 code that is reusable in OpenBSD, it was not saying that there was suddenly a relicensing. As to when OpenBSD will be GCCless, well, start a project to make a compiler that is liberally licensed and supports all of

Re: isakmpd to cisco pix

2005-05-09 Thread Richard Green
Hi Thanks, for your replies. I have some additional information now - the cisco config (below) - though it still looks quite sensibly configured (to someone who doent know any cisco commands ;)), and the errors remain :( Regards, Richard --- Erik Carlseen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It would