Re: vi vs ed in bsd.rd - proposal

2013-01-14 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> > Did you actually test that ? vi wants /var/tmp rw as well... > > > > Nah, just going from memory. It's been a while. However, the same > logic applies: Look at what partition /var is on and mount it too. It will work just fine without /var. I believe it just puts a temporary recovery fi

Re: vi vs ed in bsd.rd - proposal

2013-01-12 Thread Alexander Hall
On 01/11/13 22:51, Miod Vallat wrote: The only editing available tool in bsd.rd, the infamous ed, made me sweat cold with fear not to correctly spell its syntax or do some logic mistake. I would have been way more lighthearted if I had vi available. Actually, vi used to be in the installation m

Re: vi vs ed in bsd.rd - proposal

2013-01-12 Thread Kenneth R Westerback
On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 01:34:44AM -0300, Carlo Borelli wrote: > 2013/1/12 Nick Holland > > > On 01/11/13 16:38, Paolo Aglialoro wrote: > > ... > > > Btw, how many are really using ed everyday, now in 2013? I believe I'm > > not > > > the only one who thinks this. My guess is that vi could be mor

Re: vi vs ed in bsd.rd - proposal

2013-01-12 Thread Scott McEachern
On 01/12/13 09:19, Paolo Aglialoro wrote: Sorry for fwd ur mail in list Scott, didn't notice it was in pvt. As for the tyre comparison, I agree with you Nick. Better getting your hands dirty than being laughed at. Which is btw what I did in that nasty event. But I also remember the cold sweat ou

Re: vi vs ed in bsd.rd - proposal

2013-01-12 Thread Paolo Aglialoro
Sorry for fwd ur mail in list Scott, didn't notice it was in pvt. As for the tyre comparison, I agree with you Nick. Better getting your hands dirty than being laughed at. Which is btw what I did in that nasty event. But I also remember the cold sweat out of it. Actually I drive an old car which

Re: vi vs ed in bsd.rd - proposal

2013-01-12 Thread Nick Holland
On 01/12/13 06:22, Paolo Aglialoro wrote: > So guys, I perfectly understand (and respect) how much many of you use and > value ed. As much as others have a repulsion for it, but this is not my > point: no, it's like the scissor jack and lug wrench in my Jeep. If I get a flat tire on the side of th

Re: vi vs ed in bsd.rd - proposal

2013-01-12 Thread Scott McEachern
On 01/12/13 08:24, Paolo Aglialoro wrote: Thank you Scott! Your tutorial is really nice :) I'll star it in my gmail. Uhm, you're welcome. Just FYI, it's bad form to reply to a private email onto a public mailing list. I'm no ed(1) expert. Since it's now on the list, maybe more experienc

Re: vi vs ed in bsd.rd - proposal

2013-01-12 Thread Paolo Aglialoro
Thank you Scott! Your tutorial is really nice :) I'll star it in my gmail. Nevertheless, even if at the time the problem was a typo in fstab (which I solved with an s/// sed sequence), I appreciate your honesty when u implicitly admit that vi would be more adequated for more complex tasks. Btw,

Re: vi vs ed in bsd.rd - proposal

2013-01-12 Thread Scott McEachern
On 01/12/13 07:25, Marc Espie wrote: On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 07:17:25AM -0500, Scott McEachern wrote: On 01/11/13 16:38, Paolo Aglialoro wrote: sparc64 machine, a neglected typo in fstab while changing a disk mountpoint and boom! - no boot :( ed(1) isn't hard to use, but if you haven't used

Re: vi vs ed in bsd.rd - proposal

2013-01-12 Thread Marc Espie
On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 07:17:25AM -0500, Scott McEachern wrote: > On 01/11/13 16:38, Paolo Aglialoro wrote: > >sparc64 machine, a neglected typo in fstab while changing a disk mountpoint > >and boom! - no boot :( > > > > > > ed(1) isn't hard to use, but if you haven't used it in a while, as > esp

Re: vi vs ed in bsd.rd - proposal

2013-01-12 Thread Scott McEachern
On 01/11/13 16:38, Paolo Aglialoro wrote: sparc64 machine, a neglected typo in fstab while changing a disk mountpoint and boom! - no boot :( ed(1) isn't hard to use, but if you haven't used it in a while, as espie@ said, having another machine handy to hit the man page is useful. Go play w

Re: vi vs ed in bsd.rd - proposal

2013-01-12 Thread Marc Espie
I do use ed occasionnally, when I have about no choice. Specifically, glass console fucked up, no editing working... and no vi in bsd.rd. I don't know it very well, and I usually need another system nearby to refer to the manpage. I'm not a sysadmin, though. I don't see any harm in putting vi in

Re: vi vs ed in bsd.rd - proposal

2013-01-12 Thread Paolo Aglialoro
So guys, I perfectly understand (and respect) how much many of you use and value ed. As much as others have a repulsion for it, but this is not my point: I mean, with respect for all viewpoints, I'm far from starting a religion war on "which is ur fave editor", but just trying to share a view on a

Re: vi vs ed in bsd.rd - proposal

2013-01-12 Thread Eric Furman
Obvious Troll. blah blah blah.. On Sat, Jan 12, 2013, at 12:04 AM, Christopher Vance wrote: > You would fail any system administration course I teach. > > On 12/01/2013, at 15:34, Carlo Borelli wrote: > > > 2013/1/12 Nick Holland > > > >> On 01/11/13 16:38, Paolo Aglialoro wrote: > >> ...

Re: vi vs ed in bsd.rd - proposal

2013-01-11 Thread Paul de Weerd
On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 08:13:33AM +0100, Otto Moerbeek wrote: | On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 07:39:27AM +0100, Paul de Weerd wrote: | | > On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 01:34:44AM -0300, Carlo Borelli wrote: | > | > If you claim to be a unix administrator, learn ed. | > | > | > | | > | Sorry, completely wro

Re: vi vs ed in bsd.rd - proposal

2013-01-11 Thread Christopher Vance
You would fail any system administration course I teach. On 12/01/2013, at 15:34, Carlo Borelli wrote: > 2013/1/12 Nick Holland > >> On 01/11/13 16:38, Paolo Aglialoro wrote: >> ... >>> Btw, how many are really using ed everyday, now in 2013? I believe I'm >> not >>> the only one who thinks th

Re: vi vs ed in bsd.rd - proposal

2013-01-11 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 07:39:27AM +0100, Paul de Weerd wrote: > On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 01:34:44AM -0300, Carlo Borelli wrote: > | > If you claim to be a unix administrator, learn ed. > | > > | > | Sorry, completely wrong. An unix admin use only vi not wordstar or ed. > > You know vi but you do

Re: vi vs ed in bsd.rd - proposal

2013-01-11 Thread Paul de Weerd
On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 01:34:44AM -0300, Carlo Borelli wrote: | > If you claim to be a unix administrator, learn ed. | > | | Sorry, completely wrong. An unix admin use only vi not wordstar or ed. You know vi but you don't know ed. Right. Know your software and its history - vi is ed with visua

Re: vi vs ed in bsd.rd - proposal

2013-01-11 Thread Carlo Borelli
2013/1/12 Christopher Vance > You would fail any system administration course I teach. > I respect your opinion. Are you a teacher and not teaching the basic ones? Proudly failing any course you do. What else? Btw, Paolo Aglialoro +1 Registered Linux User #249354 "Ad astra per aspera"

Re: vi vs ed in bsd.rd - proposal

2013-01-11 Thread Carlo Borelli
2013/1/12 Nick Holland > On 01/11/13 16:38, Paolo Aglialoro wrote: > ... > > Btw, how many are really using ed everyday, now in 2013? I believe I'm > not > > the only one who thinks this. My guess is that vi could be more > appreciated > > by most of the user base more than ed. > > If you claim t

Re: vi vs ed in bsd.rd - proposal

2013-01-11 Thread Nick Holland
On 01/11/13 16:38, Paolo Aglialoro wrote: ... > Btw, how many are really using ed everyday, now in 2013? I believe I'm not > the only one who thinks this. My guess is that vi could be more appreciated > by most of the user base more than ed. If you claim to be a unix administrator, learn ed. If y

Re: vi vs ed in bsd.rd - proposal

2013-01-11 Thread Miod Vallat
> The only editing available tool in bsd.rd, the infamous ed, made me sweat > cold with fear not to correctly spell its syntax or do some logic mistake. > I would have been way more lighthearted if I had vi available. Actually, vi used to be in the installation media, 15 years ago. Lack of space c

vi vs ed in bsd.rd - proposal

2013-01-11 Thread Paolo Aglialoro
Hello misc, there were recently some comments about customizing bsd.rd contents and making one of own's choice/taste. This reminded me about an unpleasant situation in which I found myself kinda 2 years ago: sparc64 machine, a neglected typo in fstab while changing a disk mountpoint and boom! - n