Re: The OpenBSD user community needs to shake things up

2011-10-12 Thread richo
On 10/10/11 17:49 +0200, Marc Espie wrote: >On Sun, Oct 09, 2011 at 09:10:16PM +, Alexey E. Suslikov wrote: >> Loganaden Velvindron gmail.com> writes: >> >> > >> > If we don't shake things up, things will not change ! Running -current and >> > testing diffs _helps_ OpenBSD development signific

Re: The OpenBSD user community needs to shake things up

2011-10-12 Thread Steven
* Kevin Chadwick [111012 06:30]: Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:14:13 + From: Kevin Chadwick To: misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: The OpenBSD user community needs to shake things up X-Mailer: Kevs Mailer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-m...@openbsd.org References

Re: The OpenBSD user community needs to shake things up

2011-10-12 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 09:12:54 + (UTC) Stuart Henderson wrote: > often you'll hit upon the solution yourself. At the same time as hitting the send button and then the words Oh Bollocks! ringing in your head.

Re: The OpenBSD user community needs to shake things up

2011-10-12 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2011-10-12, Johan Ryberg wrote: > My own experience about "newbe" questions is that if you put effort in > the question and explains how far you got and provides all info then > you often got god answers but if you simply haven't tried any thing > and not read faq, howtos, older conversations i

Re: The OpenBSD user community needs to shake things up

2011-10-12 Thread Peter Hessler
newbies has low traffic, but there are still plenty of people subscribed. Feel free to mail it (openbsd-newb...@theapt.org) your questions. On 2011 Oct 12 (Wed) at 10:21:51 +0300 (+0300), Mihai Popescu wrote: :I want to test them, but my OpenBSD understanding is not so high so :I'm not able yet

Re: The OpenBSD user community needs to shake things up

2011-10-12 Thread Johan Ryberg
My own experience about "newbe" questions is that if you put effort in the question and explains how far you got and provides all info then you often got god answers but if you simply haven't tried any thing and not read faq, howtos, older conversations in the list and so on then you often got the

Re: The OpenBSD user community needs to shake things up

2011-10-12 Thread Brett
On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 10:21:51 +0300 Mihai Popescu wrote: > I want to test them, but my OpenBSD understanding is not so high so > I'm not able yet to implement and test those patches. > Tried most of the FAQ and other docs but no luck until now. Beginner > questions are not welcomed here and newbie

Re: The OpenBSD user community needs to shake things up

2011-10-12 Thread Mihai Popescu
I want to test them, but my OpenBSD understanding is not so high so I'm not able yet to implement and test those patches. Tried most of the FAQ and other docs but no luck until now. Beginner questions are not welcomed here and newbies@ has low traffic. You can say I can edit and send out the diff f

Re: The OpenBSD user community needs to shake things up

2011-10-11 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2011-10-10, Alexey E. Suslikov wrote: > Marc Espie nerim.net> writes: >> Don't blame the tools. Blame the *people* who don't test. > > I wonder why jasper@ went to github if mailing lists are > good enough. That (openbsd-wip) has nothing to do with tracking bugs, it's a place where people can

Re: The OpenBSD user community needs to shake things up

2011-10-10 Thread Ted Unangst
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011, Alexey E. Suslikov wrote: > Marc Espie nerim.net> writes: > >> >> Don't blame the tools. Blame the *people* who don't test. > > I wonder why jasper@ went to github if mailing lists are > good enough. ports and base are different enough I don't think we should immediately d

Re: The OpenBSD user community needs to shake things up

2011-10-10 Thread Alexey E. Suslikov
Marc Espie nerim.net> writes: > > Don't blame the tools. Blame the *people* who don't test. I wonder why jasper@ went to github if mailing lists are good enough. And you didn't respond on dead bug-tracker issue: if people test where is a place to put results? Alexey

Re: The OpenBSD user community needs to shake things up

2011-10-10 Thread Marc Espie
On Sun, Oct 09, 2011 at 09:10:16PM +, Alexey E. Suslikov wrote: > Loganaden Velvindron gmail.com> writes: > > > > > If we don't shake things up, things will not change ! Running -current and > > testing diffs _helps_ OpenBSD development significantly. > > The problem, IMO, how process is or

Re: The OpenBSD user community needs to shake things up

2011-10-10 Thread Steven
* Loganaden Velvindron [111009 12:45]: Fellow OpenBSD users, I've noticed a disturbing trend: Very few users are testing patches that developers/contributors are posting. You raised some good points. Thanks for the reminder to help out the devs. :-) -- W. Steven Schneider

Re: The OpenBSD user community needs to shake things up

2011-10-09 Thread Alexey E. Suslikov
Loganaden Velvindron gmail.com> writes: > > If we don't shake things up, things will not change ! Running -current and > testing diffs _helps_ OpenBSD development significantly. The problem, IMO, how process is organized. Mailing lists are not designed for commenting and reviewing diffs. Patch

The OpenBSD user community needs to shake things up

2011-10-09 Thread Loganaden Velvindron
Fellow OpenBSD users, I've noticed a disturbing trend: Very few users are testing patches that developers/contributors are posting. In OpenBSD, -current is NOT volatile as other projects. So you can grab a a snapshot and start using it right away. Ariane posted a huge diff to drastically reduce