On 10/10/11 17:49 +0200, Marc Espie wrote: >On Sun, Oct 09, 2011 at 09:10:16PM +0000, Alexey E. Suslikov wrote: >> Loganaden Velvindron <loganaden <at> gmail.com> writes: >> >> > >> > If we don't shake things up, things will not change ! Running -current and >> > testing diffs _helps_ OpenBSD development significantly. >> >> The problem, IMO, how process is organized. >> >> Mailing lists are not designed for commenting and reviewing >> diffs. Patches simply gets forgotten and than reinvented. We >> have *number* of "oh, I forgot to ok". Isn't it because of >> people receive *tons* of mail nowadays? > >Nah, mailing-lists work just fine. It's just a question of being >organized. > >In most cases, it's like a football game. Spectator sport, pass the >chips, and oh ? actually save that diff somewhere, try it out and >report back to the list/the corresponding developer ? no way, too >much work !
With respect, you're talking about volunteers here, not employees with any particular vested interest. If tools exist to make it less work, we should employ them. > >So, get off your lazy asses, and start trying out stuff (not speaking >for you, Alexey, just speaking for our user community in general) It is well and good to say this, but again, will saying "Stop being lazy" change anything? I've watched github drastically increase the patchflow to projects because of how easy it makes the "fork -> hack -> submit -> merge" workflow for both the upstream and the contributor. Consider how many documentation fixes oBSD would have seen if people could submit them from the browser /while reading/ the docs? If you see a typo in a project to which you do not have commit access' manpage, it's a significant amount of work to get the source, find the file, fix it, make a patch, work out where to submit it, mail it, and check that someone has seen it. > >For crying out loud, it's not as if interesting *technical* threads kill >those mailing-lists. When there's too much tech chatter going on, then >we can worry about better tools. > >Don't blame the tools. Blame the *people* who don't test. > I agree that the blame lies squarely with those who don't test, however I don't think yelling "Test dammit" is going to fix anything. If there are suggestions for tools that can make this workflow simpler, I think they should be chased up completely. Just my .02c -- richo || Today's excuse: paradigm shift...without a clutch [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature which had a name of signature.asc]
