On 2015-07-27, Christian Weisgerber wrote:
> We're hurtling towards the 5.8 release and, as usual, ports and
> packages on non-x86 platforms are in dire shape.
>
> If you want to put your money where your mouth is, take a look at recent
> build logs and start fixing some of those problems.
> http:
We're hurtling towards the 5.8 release and, as usual, ports and
packages on non-x86 platforms are in dire shape.
If you want to put your money where your mouth is, take a look at recent
build logs and start fixing some of those problems.
http://build-failures.rhaalovely.net/
sparc64, powerpc, alph
On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 10:46:51PM BST, Karel Gardas wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 11:18 PM, Erling Westenvik
> wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 04:09:58PM +0100, Raf Czlonka wrote:
> >> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 09:14:30AM BST, Karel Gardas wrote:
> >>
> >> > Following this: http://unixhq.com/
On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 2:08 AM, Christian Weisgerber
wrote:
> On 2015-07-20, Joel Rees wrote:
>
>[...]
> Being "willing to take a small hit on performance or
> price" does not magically will such alternatives into existence;
> it just makes you sound delusional.
Well, yeah, I am a dreamer, but
Hello again,
As the OP I would say that I got the idea of "SPARC as a desktop".
There were nice and insightdfull answers, so I thank you all. I have
waited to see Nick Holland's answer, he is a real guru in such
questions, but maybe he is busy for now. I can wait, no problem, but I
think we can le
On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 23:18:40 +0200
Erling Westenvik wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 04:09:58PM +0100, Raf Czlonka wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 09:14:30AM BST, Karel Gardas wrote:
> >
> > > Following this: http://unixhq.com/websgt/sunblade150.pdf -- it's 5.5
> > > bells (is that 55 dB?).
>
On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 11:18 PM, Erling Westenvik
wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 04:09:58PM +0100, Raf Czlonka wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 09:14:30AM BST, Karel Gardas wrote:
>>
>> > Following this: http://unixhq.com/websgt/sunblade150.pdf -- it's 5.5
>> > bells (is that 55 dB?).
>>
>> Ye
On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 04:09:58PM +0100, Raf Czlonka wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 09:14:30AM BST, Karel Gardas wrote:
>
> > Following this: http://unixhq.com/websgt/sunblade150.pdf -- it's 5.5
> > bells (is that 55 dB?).
>
> Yes - it's a standard SI prefix[0]. However, 'bel'(B), *not* 'bell'
On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Christian Weisgerber
wrote:
> Coincidently, we yesterday lugged two M3000s into the hackroom here
> at c2k15. When turned on, these make a hellish noise and you want
> them in an insulated server room far away.
Christian, this is really first hand experience I ne
Stephens
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 2:31 PM
To: na...@mips.inka.de
Cc: misc@openbsd.org
Subject: Re: SPARC minimum hardware specification
On 21/07/2015 17:10, Christian Weisgerber wrote:
> On 2015-07-21, Graham Stephens wrote:
>
>> These machines were not fast when new, but I will say th
On 2015-07-20, Joel Rees wrote:
> I know I'm persona non-grata on the list these days, and I doubt I'm
> going to make much sense in an argument, but it's the way Intel won
> that has some of use willing to take a small hit on performance or
> price.
The irony is that I've probably run more non-
On 2015-07-21, Graham Stephens wrote:
> These machines were not fast when new, but I will say that if you do try
> one of these you *need* the proper memory for them (IIRC, registered).
You need the proper memory for _any_ machine. And you misremember.
spdmem0 at iic0 addr 0x50: 512MB SDRAM
On 2015-07-21, Karel Gardas wrote:
> Does that mean that lying on desk, Sun Blade 150 is more noisy than
> M3000?
Coincidently, we yesterday lugged two M3000s into the hackroom here
at c2k15. When turned on, these make a hellish noise and you want
them in an insulated server room far away.
The
On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 09:14:30AM BST, Karel Gardas wrote:
> Following this: http://unixhq.com/websgt/sunblade150.pdf -- it's 5.5
> bells (is that 55 dB?).
Yes - it's a standard SI prefix[0]. However, 'bel'(B), *not* 'bell', is
not used very often and 'decibel'(dB) is the actual unit.
[0] http:
On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 6:14 PM, Christian Weisgerber
wrote:
> Let's cut through some of this crap. If you want a reasonably quiet
> sparc64 designed to be put on a desk, your fastest choices are a
>
> Sun Blade 100 or
> Sun Blade 150 (~20% faster)
Following this: http://unixhq.com/websgt/su
2015-07-21 1:57 GMT+02:00 Joel Rees :
> On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 5:45 AM, Christian Weisgerber
> wrote:
>> On 2015-07-17, BSD wrote:
>>
>>> As a new user, I find myself in the same position as the OP: very
>>> interested in non-Intel products. But there seems to be a vacuum of
>>> information arou
On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 5:45 AM, Christian Weisgerber
wrote:
> On 2015-07-17, BSD wrote:
>
>> As a new user, I find myself in the same position as the OP: very
>> interested in non-Intel products. But there seems to be a vacuum of
>> information around this topic.
>
> You're 15 years too late. x
On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 09:09:56PM +0200, ludovic coues wrote:
> 2015-07-19 17:03 GMT+02:00 John Long :
> >
> > OpenBSD mips64el runs oustandingly well on the Lemote boxes. See here:
> > http://www.openbsd.org/loongson.html
> >
> > I don't think anybody will be happy with a Loongson as a desktop bo
On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 05:59:17PM +, Christian Weisgerber wrote:
> On 2015-07-19, John Long wrote:
>
> > OpenBSD mips64el runs oustandingly well on the Lemote boxes. See here:
> > http://www.openbsd.org/loongson.html
>
> Given that only about 2/3 of the ports tree can be built on loongson,
On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 01:51:34PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 11:03 AM, John Long wrote:
> > Sun Fire servers are cheap to buy but not to run. A V210 is a 1U box and
> > with dual 1.35 CPUs it is fast enough for desktop use. It's not something
> > most people with families
Yeah, I misread that.
Thanks,
--
Raul
On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 10:04 PM, Zeljko Jovanovic
wrote:
> On 19.07.2015. 19:51, Raul Miller wrote:
>
>> http://www.andovercg.com/datasheets/sun-fire-v210-server.pdf
>>
>> Suggests that we're talking 320 watts, and 7.3 db acoustic noise.
>>
>> http://www
On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 09:53:13AM +0100, Graham Stephens wrote:
> Another thing to bear in mind is the pitch of the noise; I find that
> loudish but low-frequency sound (like from 4-inch+ fans) isn't that
> uncomfortable, but the whine from 1U 1 inch fans get unbearable
> REALLY quickly.
I agree
Let's cut through some of this crap. If you want a reasonably quiet
sparc64 designed to be put on a desk, your fastest choices are a
Sun Blade 100 or
Sun Blade 150 (~20% faster)
Of course these machines are 15+ years old and something like
Pentium II speed.
There are also Sun Blade [12]xxx
> On Jul 20, 2015, at 1:53 AM, Graham Stephens
> wrote:
>
> On 19/07/2015 20:56, Karel Gardas wrote:
>> On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 7:51 PM, Raul Miller wrote:
>>> On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 11:03 AM, John Long wrote:
Sun Fire servers are cheap to buy but not to run. A V210 is a 1U box and
On 19.07.2015. 19:51, Raul Miller wrote:
http://www.andovercg.com/datasheets/sun-fire-v210-server.pdf
Suggests that we're talking 320 watts, and 7.3 db acoustic noise.
http://www.gcaudio.com/resources/howtos/loudness.html suggests that
whispers are about 30 db. And, 320 watts is not too far fr
> Indeed. If you're a "my neighbour listens to heavy metal all day, whether
> he wants to or not" kind of person, then these machines are for your home.
Well, ny neighbours listen to heavy metal every day whether they want it
or not, but I'd hate for a loud computer to impair that heavy metal
expe
On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 09:56:35PM +0200, Karel Gardas wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 7:51 PM, Raul Miller wrote:
> > Suggests that we're talking 320 watts, and 7.3 db acoustic noise.
>
> 320 watts should not be showstopper, but 7.3 db certainly is. I do
> have T2000 which is ~62 dB(A) and this
On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 7:51 PM, Raul Miller wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 11:03 AM, John Long wrote:
>> Sun Fire servers are cheap to buy but not to run. A V210 is a 1U box and
>> with dual 1.35 CPUs it is fast enough for desktop use. It's not something
>> most people with families or without
2015-07-19 17:03 GMT+02:00 John Long :
>
> OpenBSD mips64el runs oustandingly well on the Lemote boxes. See here:
> http://www.openbsd.org/loongson.html
>
> I don't think anybody will be happy with a Loongson as a desktop box but
> they do shine tiny servers.
>
> /jl
Where could one acquire one of
On 2015-07-19, John Long wrote:
> OpenBSD mips64el runs oustandingly well on the Lemote boxes. See here:
> http://www.openbsd.org/loongson.html
Given that only about 2/3 of the ports tree can be built on loongson,
I'm questioning this "outstandingly well".
--
Christian "naddy" Weisgerber
On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 11:03 AM, John Long wrote:
> Sun Fire servers are cheap to buy but not to run. A V210 is a 1U box and
> with dual 1.35 CPUs it is fast enough for desktop use. It's not something
> most people with families or without a flightline headset are going to want
> sitting next to
So what are good mips or arm motherboards nowadays? I have an openbsd box
at home I need to upgrade. Might as well take a look at non-x86 stuff, as
long as they can take SATA... :)
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 11:15:14AM -0500, BSD wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Jul 2015 21:09:30 +0300
> Mihai Popescu wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I never used a SPARC machine but I recall there are some people on the
> > list doing this.
> >
> > What are the minimum requirements for a "decent" SPARC machin
If I’m not mistaken the PS3 had a PPC as well.
Many of the intel alternatives do a better job at math & calculations in my
opinion while PPC & SPARC may need additional time to execute operations often
there are fewer errors and the results are far more accurate.
This quite obvious on the PS3.
On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 09:15:14 -0700, BSD wrote:
The replies to the OP seem discouraging. If not Oracle, and not
Fujitsu, then what? If not a sparc desktop, then what about a sparc
router? A RISC anything??
You might be interested in Bunny's Novena project [1] [2]
[1] http://www.mail-archive.co
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 11:29 PM, Jiri B wrote:
> Generally yes but there's still POWER8 and OpenPOWER
> group. They claim docs should be open and TYAN[1] has
> a cheap server with POWER8.
I would not bet on POWER8 on desktop, it's too big beast, rather on
smaller ARMv8 which is already winning o
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 08:45:23PM +, Christian Weisgerber wrote:
> > On 2015-07-17, BSD wrote:
> >
> > > As a new user, I find myself in the same position as the OP: very
> > > interested in non-Intel products. But there seems to be a vacuum of
> > > information around this topic.
> >
> >
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 08:45:23PM +, Christian Weisgerber wrote:
> On 2015-07-17, BSD wrote:
>
> > As a new user, I find myself in the same position as the OP: very
> > interested in non-Intel products. But there seems to be a vacuum of
> > information around this topic.
>
> You're 15 years
> On Jul 17, 2015, at 1:45 PM, Christian Weisgerber wrote:
>
> On 2015-07-17, BSD wrote:
>
>> As a new user, I find myself in the same position as the OP: very
>> interested in non-Intel products. But there seems to be a vacuum of
>> information around this topic.
>
> You're 15 years too late.
On 2015-07-17, BSD wrote:
> As a new user, I find myself in the same position as the OP: very
> interested in non-Intel products. But there seems to be a vacuum of
> information around this topic.
You're 15 years too late. x86 has won.
--
Christian "naddy" Weisgerber
Have you seen TemLib[1]? That's may be the way for SPARC, otherwise
MIPS64/Octeon or ARM.
Good luck!
Karel
[1]: http://temlib.org/site/
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 6:15 PM, BSD wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Jul 2015 21:09:30 +0300
> Mihai Popescu wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I never used a SPARC machine but I r
On Thu, 16 Jul 2015 21:09:30 +0300
Mihai Popescu wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I never used a SPARC machine but I recall there are some people on the
> list doing this.
>
> What are the minimum requirements for a "decent" SPARC machine? I mean
> by that a machine who is able to run OpenBSD as a desktop.
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 1:03 PM, Riccardo Mottola
wrote:
> The only non-intel machines that could be used as a desktop were PPC macs,
> but even those suffer today.
Do you have any experience with SPARC64 VI/VII? I'm curious since I've
thought this is the only chip which can give some hope for th
Hi,
Mihai Popescu wrote:
What are the minimum requirements for a "decent" SPARC machine? I mean
by that a machine who is able to run OpenBSD as a desktop. I am
currently use a Pentium 4 3.2GHz with 2 GB DDR and it barely meets my
needs. Tell me please the CPU or the machine name, I will search t
>
> From: Maurice Janssen
> Sent: Thu Jul 16 22:55:05 CEST 2015
> To:
> Subject: Re: SPARC minimum hardware specification
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 08:25:20PM +0200, Francois Pussault wrote:
> >> What are the m
On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Mihai Popescu wrote:
> What are the minimum requirements for a "decent" SPARC machine? I mean
> by that a machine who is able to run OpenBSD as a desktop. I am
> currently use a Pentium 4 3.2GHz with 2 GB DDR and it barely meets my
The problem is that Intel is re
On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 08:25:20PM +0200, Francois Pussault wrote:
>> What are the minimum requirements for a "decent" SPARC machine? I mean
>> by that a machine who is able to run OpenBSD as a desktop.
<...>
>for cheaper price :
>Maybe somme v4xx or v2xx should be a good choice for budget...like
On 2015-07-16 Thu 21:09 PM |, Mihai Popescu wrote:
>
> I never used a SPARC machine but I recall there are some people on the
> list doing this.
>
Platform Specific Lists
sp...@openbsd.org
OpenBSD/sparc and OpenBSD/sparc64 ports
http://www.openbsd.org/mail.html
> What are the minimum requirements for a "decent" SPARC machine? I mean
> by that a machine who is able to run OpenBSD as a desktop. I am
> currently use a Pentium 4 3.2GHz with 2 GB DDR and it barely meets my
> needs. Tell me please the CPU or the machine name, I will search the
> prices :-).
I
>
> From: Mihai Popescu
> Sent: Thu Jul 16 20:09:30 CEST 2015
> To:
> Subject: SPARC minimum hardware specification
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I never used a SPARC machine but I recall there are some people on the
> list doin
Hello,
I never used a SPARC machine but I recall there are some people on the
list doing this.
What are the minimum requirements for a "decent" SPARC machine? I mean
by that a machine who is able to run OpenBSD as a desktop. I am
currently use a Pentium 4 3.2GHz with 2 GB DDR and it barely meets
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