Re: Seeking GUI refuge

2013-05-27 Thread Anthony J. Bentley
Hi Patrick, "Patrick Mc(avery" writes: > Hi Jan > > I just tried the fvwm from my linux distro repos. It's pretty nice. > > I could always compile the GPL version from source on OpenBSD, i will > give it a shot. You don't need to compile from source to use the newer fvwm. Just install the fvwm

Re: Seeking GUI refuge

2013-05-27 Thread Patrick Mc(avery
Hi Jan I just tried the fvwm from my linux distro repos. It's pretty nice. I could always compile the GPL version from source on OpenBSD, i will give it a shot. Thanks-Patrick On 13-05-26 11:54 PM, Jan Lambertz wrote: Hi Patrick, My Gui problem is (was) quite similar. I was searching

Re: Seeking GUI refuge

2013-05-26 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, On 05/26/13 05:21, Patrick Mc(avery wrote: I am still on Linux on my primary desktop. I loaded a few GNUstep apps from the repos, your right, they don't look that bad and yes, I am sure they can be tweaked even if they did. Your sleek theme looks very promising. :) good. Yes plotting

Re: Seeking GUI refuge

2013-05-25 Thread Patrick Mc(avery
Hi Riccardo Your circuit analysis software certainly is scientific software. I should have been more specific. My field is analytical instrumentation software. Examples of instruments would be HPLC systems, Gas Chromatographs, spectrometers etc. I am still on Linux on my primary desktop. I

Re: Seeking GUI refuge

2013-05-25 Thread Patrick Mc(avery
Hi Marc I have looked at xforms, it is helpful to study to understand FLTK too. Thanks and Thanks to Jay for his post too On 13-05-25 11:51 AM, Marc Espie wrote: On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 08:39:17PM -0400, Patrick Mc(avery wrote: Hi Richard Actually I am not looking for a Windows clone, just a

Re: Seeking GUI refuge

2013-05-25 Thread sven falempin
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 9:39 PM, bofh wrote: > Have you considered HTML5 + CSS? > > Seriously. > + canvas is awesome all we need is webkit (all the window system is just a dying breed) > > On Friday, May 24, 2013, ag@gmail wrote: > > > Have you considered a thought that XFCE may be easily cu

Re: Seeking GUI refuge

2013-05-25 Thread Jay Patel
Then you might also want to look into .. http://etoileos.com/etoile/

Re: Seeking GUI refuge

2013-05-25 Thread Thomas Adam
On 25 May 2013 18:29, Marc Espie wrote: > There are transient windows annotations that fvwm completely disregards. Can you give me examples of applications which this is lacking in? I bet they behave fine in FVWM 2.6.5. > The other thing it doesn't really support is multiple screen support > an

Re: Seeking GUI refuge

2013-05-25 Thread Marc Espie
On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 06:05:43PM +0100, Thomas Adam wrote: > On 25 May 2013 16:53, Marc Espie wrote: > > On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 10:19:56AM +, z...@sdf.org wrote: > >> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 06:48:05PM -0400, Patrick Mc(avery wrote: > >> > I tried to load Fluxbox and was disappointed with i

Re: Seeking GUI refuge

2013-05-25 Thread Thomas Adam
On 25 May 2013 16:53, Marc Espie wrote: > On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 10:19:56AM +, z...@sdf.org wrote: >> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 06:48:05PM -0400, Patrick Mc(avery wrote: >> > I tried to load Fluxbox and was disappointed with it. It had several >> > menubuttons for application that were not yet

Re: Seeking GUI refuge

2013-05-25 Thread Marc Espie
On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 10:19:56AM +, z...@sdf.org wrote: > On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 06:48:05PM -0400, Patrick Mc(avery wrote: > > I tried to load Fluxbox and was disappointed with it. It had several > > menubuttons for application that were not yet installed. > > There is more than just Fluxbo

Re: Seeking GUI refuge

2013-05-25 Thread Marc Espie
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 08:39:17PM -0400, Patrick Mc(avery wrote: > Hi Richard > > Actually I am not looking for a Windows clone, just a > software-correct GUI. I don't need much too. I need text input > widgets and a way to display graphs. The graphs could be > grammatically created images that a

Re: Seeking GUI refuge

2013-05-25 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, Patrick Mc(avery wrote: > Hi Ricardo > > I am curious which scientific instrumentation application that was? I > have heard about the odd one that will run on Mac but it's an industry > 99% dominated by Windoze. > it was simulation software for VHDL for implementation on VLSI or FPGAs, the

Re: Seeking GUI refuge

2013-05-25 Thread Patrick Mc(avery
Hi ag, Hello Nicolai, Hi zz, Hello Dmitrij I hope you don't mind, I thought I would create a combined answer in hopes of not upsetting people with too many of my posts. I very much appreciate all your responses. I don't mind extra work at all and I can try to customize things, my concern is

Re: Seeking GUI refuge

2013-05-25 Thread Patrick Mc(avery
Hi Martijn Thanks for bringing up an excellent point. I also need to figure out what widget toolkit to use. I have used WXPython, GTK with about 6 or 7 bindings, QT, TK and FLTK in the past. Many bindings are nightmares and some like QT are so huge that it's like assembling pre-fabricated mi

Re: Seeking GUI refuge

2013-05-25 Thread Patrick Mc(avery
Hi Bofh Thanks for bringing this up. I wrote off the idea of using a web based solution a long time ago. However things have changed a lot since then. I could deploy the application on a Raspberry PI or Olimex board and people could access it from Windows machines via their internal network.

Re: Seeking GUI refuge

2013-05-25 Thread Patrick Mc(avery
Hi Ricardo I am curious which scientific instrumentation application that was? I have heard about the odd one that will run on Mac but it's an industry 99% dominated by Windoze. I tried GNUstep and wrote it off because it was so black it looked like crap. My approach has changed a lot since

Re: Seeking GUI refuge

2013-05-25 Thread Patrick Mc(avery
Hi Jan Thanks for mentioning this, if it ships with Open BSD then it's going to be correct. It might just be a matter of making it a bit pretty. On 13-05-25 03:56 AM, Jan Stary wrote: On May 24 18:48:05, spell_gooder_...@spellingbeewinnars.org wrote: While about 7 out of the 9 years with L

Re: Seeking GUI refuge

2013-05-25 Thread Dmitrij Czarkoff
On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 12:48 AM, Patrick Mc(avery wrote: > I tried to load Fluxbox and was disappointed with it. It had several > menubuttons for application that were not yet installed. On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 2:39 AM, Patrick Mc(avery wrote: > It was really quite a lot of links to non-install

Re: Seeking GUI refuge

2013-05-25 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, I am happy to see fellow-thinkers. GUIs are moving to a disaster. Windows 2000 was usable, heck even Windows 7, once its features are tuned, is a good and usable OS! But have you seen Windows 8? It is pure crap for desktop use. GNOME became a monstrum.. and Mac was nice... years ago. The la

Re: Seeking GUI refuge

2013-05-25 Thread zz
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 06:48:05PM -0400, Patrick Mc(avery wrote: > I tried to load Fluxbox and was disappointed with it. It had several > menubuttons for application that were not yet installed. There is more than just Fluxbox out there. That's UNIX world, it is up to you and you have plenty of

Re: Seeking GUI refuge

2013-05-25 Thread Jan Stary
On May 24 18:48:05, spell_gooder_...@spellingbeewinnars.org wrote: > While about 7 out of the 9 years with Linux have been good, the > graphical experience on Linux has plummeted for me. I don't really > want to send prospective customers to Linux any more. I am fearing > that Windows may end up be

Re: Seeking GUI refuge

2013-05-25 Thread Martijn van Duren
Hi Patrick, On 05/25/13 02:39, Patrick Mc(avery wrote: Hi Richard Actually I am not looking for a Windows clone, just a software-correct GUI. I don't need much too. I need text input widgets and a way to display graphs. The graphs could be grammatically created images that are independent of th

Re: Seeking GUI refuge

2013-05-24 Thread Nicolai
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 06:48:05PM -0400, Patrick Mc(avery wrote: > I tried to load Fluxbox and was disappointed with it. It had several > menubuttons for application that were not yet installed. That's true. Such window managers are user-controllable, unlike what you typically find in Linux.

Re: Seeking GUI refuge

2013-05-24 Thread bofh
Have you considered HTML5 + CSS? Seriously. On Friday, May 24, 2013, ag@gmail wrote: > Have you considered a thought that XFCE may be easily customizable? The > non-existing program entries can be removed and the UI customized to your > liking? > > From what you describe it doesn't seem you requ

Re: Seeking GUI refuge

2013-05-24 Thread ag@gmail
Have you considered a thought that XFCE may be easily customizable? The non-existing program entries can be removed and the UI customized to your liking? >From what you describe it doesn't seem you require pretty graphics. I would >suggest trying out the light window managers. Customizing a wi

Re: Seeking GUI refuge

2013-05-24 Thread Patrick Mc(avery
Hi Chris Actually spectrwm looks very cool. I really like ncurses based interfaces but I need to display images too. I could see a hybrid application fitting into this window manger. On 13-05-24 07:29 PM, Chris Bennett wrote: I started out using KDE while I was leaving Windows behind. I n

Re: Seeking GUI refuge

2013-05-24 Thread Patrick Mc(avery
Hi Marti Thanks so much for your rapid and helpful response. I will still consider Mac OSX but it's just that it is the worst of two worlds for me. Labs use Windows only. If I ship something that works on windows, I don't have to swim against the current with this topic. I am willing to swim

Re: Seeking GUI refuge

2013-05-24 Thread Patrick Mc(avery
Hi Richard Actually I am not looking for a Windows clone, just a software-correct GUI. I don't need much too. I need text input widgets and a way to display graphs. The graphs could be grammatically created images that are independent of the window manager and widget toolkit but simply presen

Re: Seeking GUI refuge

2013-05-24 Thread Chris Bennett
I started out using KDE while I was leaving Windows behind. I now hate the KDE "experience", but I constantly have to help my Dad with it. I am constantly bugged by desperate Windows users looking for help but unable to make that dreadful jump into a free and secure operating system like OpenBSD, e

Re: Seeking GUI refuge

2013-05-24 Thread goodb0fh
I have been an OpenBSD user since 2.3 or 2.4 and I agree. If you want a pretty GUI, go with OS X. There is another route. Have your collectors be OpenBSD. Write a pretty GUI in Objective C for iOS. Sent from my magical iPhone 7 On May 24, 2013, at 6:59 PM, Marti Martinez wrote: > Gnome is

Re: Seeking GUI refuge

2013-05-24 Thread Richard Toohey
On 05/25/13 10:48, Patrick Mc(avery wrote: Hi Everyone [chop] While about 7 out of the 9 years with Linux have been good, the graphical experience on Linux has plummeted for me. I don't really want to send prospective customers to Linux any more. I am fearing that Windows may end up being my o

Re: Seeking GUI refuge

2013-05-24 Thread Marti Martinez
Gnome isn't bad on OpenBSD, but depending on what you don't like about linux, that may not live up to your expectations. Frankly, though, as an almost life-long Windows user both personally and professionally, if I had GUI concerns I'd seriously consider whether OSX was a viable option rather than