Re: Quick APU2 review

2016-04-21 Thread Chris Cappuccio
Stuart Henderson [s...@spacehopper.org] wrote: > >>> Heat: The APUs have an innovative design where the CPU heat sink > >>> is coupled to the case. Since this is typically assembled by the > >>> customer, a lot of attention is drawn to it and people obsess over > >>> the CPU temperature. It's a n

Re: Quick APU2 review

2016-04-21 Thread Stuart Henderson
>>> Heat: The APUs have an innovative design where the CPU heat sink >>> is coupled to the case. Since this is typically assembled by the >>> customer, a lot of attention is drawn to it and people obsess over >>> the CPU temperature. It's a nonissue. I've got hold of an APU2C2 now. Agreed - but

Re: Quick APU2 review

2016-04-20 Thread sven falempin
On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 4:32 AM, Stuart Henderson wrote: > On 2016-04-19, sven falempin wrote: > >> This : https://github.com/jasperla/openbsd-wip ?? > > Yes > > > 5 ftp http://download.flashrom.org/releases/flashrom-0.9.9.tar.bz2 > > No, don't do it this way. Use the port in openbsd-wip.

Re: Quick APU2 review

2016-04-20 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2016-04-19, sven falempin wrote: >> This : https://github.com/jasperla/openbsd-wip ?? Yes > 5 ftp http://download.flashrom.org/releases/flashrom-0.9.9.tar.bz2 No, don't do it this way. Use the port in openbsd-wip. Or if you aren't completely comfortable with this, just use the vendor'

Re: Quick APU2 review

2016-04-19 Thread Chris Cappuccio
sven falempin [sven.falem...@gmail.com] wrote: > > This : https://github.com/jasperla/openbsd-wip ?? > Like : echo /bin/ksh > /etc/rc.securelevel ?? > echo sysctl kern.securelevel=-1 >/etc/rc.securelevel > > No patch here : wont work ? > Get the securelevel right first, then worry about the pa

Re: Quick APU2 review

2016-04-19 Thread sven falempin
On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Stuart Henderson wrote: > On 2016/04/19 12:33, sven falempin wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 6:07 PM, Stuart Henderson > > wrote: > > > > On 2016-04-18, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > > > On 2016-04-18, Stuart Henderson wrote: > > > > >

Re: Quick APU2 review

2016-04-19 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2016/04/19 12:33, sven falempin wrote: > > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 6:07 PM, Stuart Henderson > wrote: > > On 2016-04-18, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > > On 2016-04-18, Stuart Henderson wrote: > > > >> From a different machine though. Compared to APU1 the APU2 has > 4x

Re: Quick APU2 review

2016-04-19 Thread sven falempin
On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 6:07 PM, Stuart Henderson wrote: > On 2016-04-18, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > > On 2016-04-18, Stuart Henderson wrote: > > > >> From a different machine though. Compared to APU1 the APU2 has 4x the L2 > >> cache, RAM is clocked a quarter faster, twice the number of cpu

Re: Quick APU2 review

2016-04-18 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2016-04-18, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > On 2016-04-18, Stuart Henderson wrote: > >> From a different machine though. Compared to APU1 the APU2 has 4x the L2 >> cache, RAM is clocked a quarter faster, twice the number of cpu cores, >> and a few more cpu features (e.g. AES-NI, RDRAND). > > For

Re: Quick APU2 review

2016-04-18 Thread Christian Weisgerber
On 2016-04-18, Stuart Henderson wrote: > From a different machine though. Compared to APU1 the APU2 has 4x the L2 > cache, RAM is clocked a quarter faster, twice the number of cpu cores, > and a few more cpu features (e.g. AES-NI, RDRAND). For the record: The APU2 does not have RDRAND. -- Chri

Re: Quick APU2 review

2016-04-18 Thread Boudewijn Dijkstra
Op Fri, 15 Apr 2016 18:12:41 +0200 schreef Christian Weisgerber : A "make -j4 build" took exactly 120 minutes. Using which physical disk type(s)? -- Gemaakt met Opera's e-mailprogramma: http://www.opera.com/mail/

Re: Quick APU2 review

2016-04-18 Thread sven falempin
On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 10:11 AM, sven falempin wrote: > I had problem with my USB3 key, but i do not truct the key that much > > Use (A)uto layout, (E)dit auto layout, or create (C)ustom layout? [a] > /dev/rsd1a: 521.3MB in 1067648 sectors of 512 bytes > 4 cylinder groups of 130.33MB, 8341 block

Re: Quick APU2 review

2016-04-18 Thread sven falempin
And finally just after this test, CPU was 104degC according to sysctl, so if you want to use it, get a box ! -- - () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\

Re: Quick APU2 review

2016-04-18 Thread Christian Weisgerber
Boudewijn Dijkstra: > > A "make -j4 build" took exactly 120 minutes. > > Using which physical disk type(s)? A no-name 16 GB mSATA SSD. http://www.apu-board.de/produkte/datapower-msata.html -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber na...@mips.inka.de

Re: Quick APU2 review

2016-04-18 Thread sven falempin
I had problem with my USB3 key, but i do not truct the key that much Use (A)uto layout, (E)dit auto layout, or create (C)ustom layout? [a] /dev/rsd1a: 521.3MB in 1067648 sectors of 512 bytes 4 cylinder groups of 130.33MB, 8341 blocks, 16768 inodes each /dev/rsd1k: 4554.6MB in 9327776 sectors of 51

Re: Quick APU2 review

2016-04-18 Thread sven falempin
http://s4.postimg.org/5ov9malvh/back.jpg http://s1.postimg.org/qqiiqvfi7/front.jpg wait for it. On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 7:29 AM, Mihai Popescu wrote: > > But his point is still valid. > > Yes? APU1x is old and tested, so I can bet that benchmarks are readily > available. It is over-popular al

Re: Quick APU2 review

2016-04-18 Thread Mihai Popescu
> But his point is still valid. Yes? APU1x is old and tested, so I can bet that benchmarks are readily available. It is over-popular already, full of examples and tests. The user was interested in APU2x wich is totally different. > He knew he had an inferior machine but it was still able to satur

Re: Quick APU2 review

2016-04-17 Thread Raul Miller
On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 12:02 AM, Eric Furman wrote: > These requests for 'Real World' numbers are almost always > stupid, because the people asking are almost certain to never > need the max amount of bandwidth even a modest machine > can supply. Really? Are you actually considering this box > fo

Re: Quick APU2 review

2016-04-17 Thread Eric Furman
On Sun, Apr 17, 2016, at 08:26 PM, Stuart Henderson wrote: > On 2016-04-15, Daniel Ouellet wrote: > >> That's nice. I don't have a ferrari, I have a rather basic truck. > >> > >> You are off topic. > > > > Sorry Theo, > > > > He asked for > > > > "real world through put?" > > > > I provided some

Re: Quick APU2 review

2016-04-17 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2016-04-15, Daniel Ouellet wrote: >> That's nice. I don't have a ferrari, I have a rather basic truck. >> >> You are off topic. > > Sorry Theo, > > He asked for > > "real world through put?" > > I provided some to be helpful. >From a different machine though. Compared to APU1 the APU2 has 4x

Re: Quick APU2 review

2016-04-17 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2016-04-15, Heine Lysemose wrote: > Can you give some real world through put? How much can you push through it > from a NAT’et device? And what is the device stats when doing so? This depends on several things. IPsec or not (and how is it configured). pppoe or routing or bridging. kern.pool_de

Re: Quick APU2 review

2016-04-15 Thread Niels
APU2 is quite a different product than APU1. Different processor(s), different network interfaces (using different drivers). > On 15 Apr 2016, at 21:49, Daniel Ouellet wrote: > >> That's nice. I don't have a ferrari, I have a rather basic truck. >> >> You are off topic. > > Sorry Theo, > > He a

Re: Quick APU2 review

2016-04-15 Thread Theo de Raadt
>> That's nice. I don't have a ferrari, I have a rather basic truck. >> >> You are off topic. > >Sorry Theo, > >He asked for > >"real world through put?" > >I provided some to be helpful. You provided data from an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT MACHINE. That is unhelpful.

Re: Quick APU2 review

2016-04-15 Thread Daniel Ouellet
> That's nice. I don't have a ferrari, I have a rather basic truck. > > You are off topic. Sorry Theo, He asked for "real world through put?" I provided some to be helpful.

Re: Quick APU2 review

2016-04-15 Thread Theo de Raadt
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Re: Quick APU2 review

2016-04-15 Thread Daniel Ouellet
I don't have the APU2C4, I have the APU1C4 and I can push 80Mb/sec of IPSec on it, way more obviously when I don't do the IPSec. My setup use ikedv2 from Rek@ When I reach the 80Mb/sec, well it reach the full CPU utilization. When I do NAT only the CPU cores ( I have only 2 on that APU1) are us

Re: Quick APU2 review

2016-04-15 Thread Heine Lysemose
Hi Can you give some real world through put? How much can you push through it from a NAT’et device? And what is the device stats when doing so? Best, Lysemise From: Christian Weisgerber Sent: 15. april 2016 18:19 To: misc@openbsd.org Subject: Quick APU2 review I bought a PC Engines APU2 thi

Re: Quick APU2 review

2016-04-15 Thread Timo Myyrä
Otto Moerbeek writes: > On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 06:12:41PM +0200, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > >> I bought a PC Engines APU2 this week and thought I'd write up my >> impressions. >> >> TL;DR: Recommended. >> >> The obvious point of reference is the Soekris net6501. Now, that >> comparison isn

Re: Quick APU2 review

2016-04-15 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 06:12:41PM +0200, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > I bought a PC Engines APU2 this week and thought I'd write up my > impressions. > > TL;DR: Recommended. > > The obvious point of reference is the Soekris net6501. Now, that > comparison isn't really fair since the net6501 i