Re: Major Surprise with xdm on 3.7

On Wednesday 17 August 2005 16:15, Baldur Sigurpsson wrote: > >>Indeed, very secure. If I've physical access to your laptop, all I > >>need is a screwdriver to open it, pull out the disk and connect it > >>to another machine. excerpted from http://www.rockbox.org/lock.html === Stil

Re: Major Surprise with xdm on 3.7

On Wednesday 17 August 2005 16:15, Baldur Sigurpsson wrote: > >>Indeed, very secure. If I've physical access to your laptop, all I > >>need is a screwdriver to open it, pull out the disk and connect it > >>to another machine. The disk password is part of the ATA interface spec. I would like you to

Re: Major Surprise with xdm on 3.7

On Wednesday, August 17, 2005, 17:15:37, Baldur Sigurpsson wrote: > ... > Didn't I make it clear that I choose the password myself, or am I > misunderstanding something? Google for bios master password -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] "The avalanche has already started, it is too Rod Dorman

Re: Major Surprise with xdm on 3.7

:>why the hassle, there are master passwords for those biosses, and :>they're not that hard to find out. :> : :Didn't I make it clear that I choose the password myself, or am I :misunderstanding something? : :Regards, Baldur : The master password is in addition to the password that you chose.

Re: Major Surprise with xdm on 3.7

Henning Brauer wrote: * Matthias Kilian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-08-16 22:58]: On Tue, Aug 16, 2005 at 07:26:38PM +, Baldur Sigurpsson wrote: [...] Clever. A password-protected power switch... Actually, I have configured the bios on my laptop to ask for a password before even loading

Re: Major Surprise with xdm on 3.7

Matthias Kilian wrote: > Indeed, very secure. If I've physical access to your laptop, all I > need is a screwdriver to open it, pull out the disk and connect it > to another machine. not *completely* related, but I have the following alias that I use to start X from the console: alias startx='/

Re: Major Surprise with xdm on 3.7

On Tuesday 16 August 2005 15:48, Matthias Kilian wrote: > On Tue, Aug 16, 2005 at 07:26:38PM +, Baldur Sigurpsson wrote: > [...] > > >Clever. A password-protected power switch... > > > > > > > Actually, I have configured the bios on my laptop to ask for a password > > before even loading any

Re: Major Surprise with xdm on 3.7

* Matthias Kilian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-08-16 22:58]: > On Tue, Aug 16, 2005 at 07:26:38PM +, Baldur Sigurpsson wrote: > [...] > > >Clever. A password-protected power switch... > > > > > > > Actually, I have configured the bios on my laptop to ask for a password > > before even loading an

Re: Major Surprise with xdm on 3.7

On Tue, Aug 16, 2005 at 07:26:38PM +, Baldur Sigurpsson wrote: [...] > >Clever. A password-protected power switch... > > > > Actually, I have configured the bios on my laptop to ask for a password > before even loading any kernel or doing anything, and it was quite > simple actually. not onl

Re: Major Surprise with xdm on 3.7

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Aug 12, 2005 at 05:39:37AM -0500, Dave Feustel wrote: On Thursday 11 August 2005 19:35, Justin Reigle wrote: I now think that there is a security advantage to using xdm to bring up KDE - namely, that there is no unprotected console session which can be hijacke

Re: Major Surprise with xdm on 3.7

On Fri, Aug 12, 2005 at 05:39:37AM -0500, Dave Feustel wrote: > On Thursday 11 August 2005 19:35, Justin Reigle wrote: > > > I now think that there is a security advantage to using xdm to bring up > > > KDE - namely, that there is no unprotected console session which can be > > > hijacked by someon

Re: Major Surprise with xdm on 3.7

Dave Feustel wrote: > On Friday 12 August 2005 07:02, you wrote: > >>Dave Feustel wrote: >> >>>On Friday 12 August 2005 05:29, Ramiro Aceves wrote: >>> >>> >I understand that. > >It is beginning to look like I have had for at least 2 years a serious >misconception about what using

Re: Major Surprise with xdm on 3.7

Good Day: Dave Feustel states: > multiple independent instances of kde running, each one attached > to a different virtual terminal (C0-C3) on the same computer. Then > I could be logged on as two different users simultaneously... I've successfully used Xvnc under a Knoppix hdinstall this purpos

Re: Major Surprise with xdm on 3.7

Dave Feustel wrote: > On Friday 12 August 2005 05:29, Ramiro Aceves wrote: > >>>I understand that. >>> >>>It is beginning to look like I have had for at least 2 years a serious >>>misconception about what using xdm permits OpenBSD to do in terms >>>of running multiple users in windows mode. >>> >>

Re: Major Surprise with xdm on 3.7

On Friday 12 August 2005 05:29, Ramiro Aceves wrote: > > I understand that. > > > > It is beginning to look like I have had for at least 2 years a serious > > misconception about what using xdm permits OpenBSD to do in terms > > of running multiple users in windows mode. > > > > What I want to do

Re: Major Surprise with xdm on 3.7

On Thursday 11 August 2005 19:35, Justin Reigle wrote: > > I now think that there is a security advantage to using xdm to bring up > > KDE - namely, that there is no unprotected console session which can be > > hijacked by someone sitting down at the computer, finding the session > > from which KDE

Re: Major Surprise with xdm on 3.7

> I understand that. > > It is beginning to look like I have had for at least 2 years a serious > misconception about what using xdm permits OpenBSD to do in terms > of running multiple users in windows mode. > > What I want to do is make it possible for multiple users simultaneously > to login

Re: Major Surprise with xdm on 3.7

> -Original Message- > From: Dave Feustel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 11 August 2005 07:26 PM > To: Henning Brauer > Cc: misc@openbsd.org > Subject: Re: Major Surprise with xdm on 3.7 > > > > But I ran KDE by manually starting it for a long

Re: Major Surprise with xdm on 3.7

> I now think that there is a security advantage to using xdm to bring up > KDE - namely, that there is no unprotected console session which can be > hijacked by someone sitting down at the computer, finding the session > from which KDE was started, and putting startkde in the background. > Well,

Re: Major Surprise with xdm on 3.7

On Thursday 11 August 2005 17:01, Marc Espie wrote: > Note that having `startkde' run X and launch kde in it from a tty > is a cute trick I wrote to help start people. > > I'm afraid that, for now, if you want to run xdm/kdm, you really > have to do some configuration work yourself... Marc, Star

Re: Major Surprise with xdm on 3.7

On Thursday 11 August 2005 16:16, Bryan Irvine wrote: > > What I want to do is make it possible for multiple users simultaneously > > to login and run kde on C0-C3. Is that possible? > > I think you might want to take a look at Xnest. While it won't allow > you to to switch with function keys, it

Re: Major Surprise with xdm on 3.7

On Thu, 2005-08-11 at 15:56 -0400, Will H. Backman wrote: > > I have heard that OpenGL stuff doesn't like this, so while you can get > multiple desktops on different virtual consoles, you won't have an > equal experience on them. I was under the impression OpenBSD didn't support OpenGL anyway, or

Re: Major Surprise with xdm on 3.7

On Thu, Aug 11, 2005 at 12:25:38PM -0500, Dave Feustel wrote: > On Thursday 11 August 2005 11:59, Henning Brauer wrote: > > * Dave Feustel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-08-11 18:57]: > > > I just discovered that even though xdm is running, > > > terminals C[0-3] are running in character mode > > > ie.

Re: Major Surprise with xdm on 3.7

On Thursday 11 August 2005 15:42, Joseph C. Bender wrote: > On Thu, 11 Aug 2005, Dave Feustel wrote: > > > Keep in mind that xdm does not at all do what I thought it did. > > If using xdm does not permit simultaeneous multiple instances of KDE > > on my computer, then I see no advantage to using

Re: Major Surprise with xdm on 3.7

On Thu, 11 Aug 2005, Gustavo Rios wrote: > if i have a dual head Video Board, two mice, two keyboards, would it > be possible to configure X to allow two users working on the same box, > i.e., two X login screens, and of course, those login screens totally > independent? theoretically, yes. --

Re: Major Surprise with xdm on 3.7

On Thu, Aug 11, 2005 at 03:44:24PM -0500, Dave Feustel wrote: > Here is the OpenBSD 3.7 content of /etc/X11/*xdm*/Xservers > which states that additional entries can only be added on a per display, > not per screen basis. Of course this may not be correct. Please, PLEASE, read at least X(1) and x

Re: Major Surprise with xdm on 3.7

> What I want to do is make it possible for multiple users simultaneously > to login and run kde on C0-C3. Is that possible? I think you might want to take a look at Xnest. While it won't allow you to to switch with function keys, it would allow you to have more than one user logged in to a graph

Re: Major Surprise with xdm on 3.7

BTW, if i have a dual head Video Board, two mice, two keyboards, would it be possible to configure X to allow two users working on the same box, i.e., two X login screens, and of course, those login screens totally independent? Thanks for your advice.

Re: Major Surprise with xdm on 3.7

On Thursday 11 August 2005 15:23, Darrin Chandler wrote: > Dave Feustel wrote: > > >Keep in mind that xdm does not at all do what I thought it did. > >If using xdm does not permit simultaeneous multiple instances of KDE > >on my computer, then I see no advantage to using xdm. > > > > > From a m

Re: Major Surprise with xdm on 3.7

On Thu, 11 Aug 2005, Dave Feustel wrote: > Keep in mind that xdm does not at all do what I thought it did. > If using xdm does not permit simultaeneous multiple instances of KDE > on my computer, then I see no advantage to using xdm. > How about having the graphics system up when the mac

Re: Major Surprise with xdm on 3.7

Dave Feustel wrote: Keep in mind that xdm does not at all do what I thought it did. If using xdm does not permit simultaeneous multiple instances of KDE on my computer, then I see no advantage to using xdm. From a message by Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >:

Re: Major Surprise with xdm on 3.7

> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Wijnand Wiersma > Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 2:05 PM > To: misc > Subject: Re: Major Surprise with xdm on 3.7 > > I never tried it in OpenBSD, but usually when

Re: Major Surprise with xdm on 3.7

On Thursday 11 August 2005 14:17, Darrin Chandler wrote: > I once got into xdm the way you describe and had a devil of a time > getting back out. That was the first and last time I used xdm. But if > that's what you want to do then more power to you. Keep in mind that xdm does not at all do what

Re: Major Surprise with xdm on 3.7

On Thursday 11 August 2005 01:41 pm, Paul de Weerd wrote: > > The fact that you can not run multiple X servers on one videocard, as > it currently stands. > > You really should read up on ttys(5) and the X Windows. > That isn't entirely true, on my Linux desktop I have gdm starting 2 virtual cons

Re: Major Surprise with xdm on 3.7

On Thursday 11 August 2005 13:54, Mats O Jansson wrote: > On Thu, 11 Aug 2005, Dave Feustel wrote: > > > What I dn't yet quite grasp is why there cannot be multiple independent > > instances of kde running, each one attached to a different virtual terminal > > (C0-C3) on the same computer. Then

Re: Major Surprise with xdm on 3.7

I think there are people doing what you're describing. Try Googling on xdm+ttys or xdm+lock.down and you'll see some tips for FreeBSD, Linux, etc. One of these might work for you. I once got into xdm the way you describe and had a devil of a time getting back out. That was the first and last t

Re: Major Surprise with xdm on 3.7

From: Dave Feustel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > What I dn't yet quite grasp is why there cannot be multiple > independent > instances of kde running, each one attached to a different > virtual terminal > (C0-C3) on the same computer. Then I could be logged on as > two different > users simultane

Re: Major Surprise with xdm on 3.7

On Thu, 11 Aug 2005, Dave Feustel wrote: > What I dn't yet quite grasp is why there cannot be multiple independent > instances of kde running, each one attached to a different virtual terminal > (C0-C3) on the same computer. Then I could be logged on as two different > users simultaneously, swi

Re: Major Surprise with xdm on 3.7

On Thursday 11 August 2005 13:05, Wijnand Wiersma wrote: > I never tried it in OpenBSD, but usually when I already have logged in > graphically I can go to a console, type X :1 -query localhost and get > another xdm login screen. > > Wijnand > I just tried this and it fails with the following err

Re: Major Surprise with xdm on 3.7

Thanks for the advice, Paul. I'll try to follow it. On Thursday 11 August 2005 13:04, Paul de Weerd wrote: > On Thu, Aug 11, 2005 at 12:49:13PM -0500, Dave Feustel wrote: > | On Thursday 11 August 2005 12:13, Paul de Weerd wrote: > | > xdm is for graphical logins. text-mode console logins are hand

Re: Major Surprise with xdm on 3.7

Paul de Weerd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Besides that, if you log in on a text console, use startx(1) to launch > X, lock your X session when you leave your computer (of course) then > anyone can switch to the text console where you started X, suspend > (^Z) or stop (^C or ^\) that and access yo

Re: Major Surprise with xdm on 3.7

On Thursday 11 August 2005 12:28, Will H. Backman wrote: > The virtual consoles emulate a bunch of the old dumb terminals that > would be attached to a Unix machine. Unix is multi-user. Having extra > consoles is really a good thing. If you manage to lock up your session, > you always have anoth

Re: Major Surprise with xdm on 3.7

On Thu, Aug 11, 2005 at 12:49:13PM -0500, Dave Feustel wrote: | On Thursday 11 August 2005 12:13, Paul de Weerd wrote: | > xdm is for graphical logins. text-mode console logins are handled by | > getty(8). You can not make xdm handle text-mode logins, that's not | > what it's designed to do. | | I

Re: Major Surprise with xdm on 3.7

I never tried it in OpenBSD, but usually when I already have logged in graphically I can go to a console, type X :1 -query localhost and get another xdm login screen. Wijnand

Re: Major Surprise with xdm on 3.7

On Thursday 11 August 2005 12:41, Paul de Weerd wrote: > The fact that you can not run multiple X servers on one videocard, as > it currently stands. I did not think a separate server was required for each terminal window. That may be one of my conceptual problems about how X Windows works. > Yo

Re: Major Surprise with xdm on 3.7

On Thursday 11 August 2005 12:13, Paul de Weerd wrote: > xdm is for graphical logins. text-mode console logins are handled by > getty(8). You can not make xdm handle text-mode logins, that's not > what it's designed to do. I understand that. It is beginning to look like I have had for at least 2

Re: Major Surprise with xdm on 3.7

On Thursday 11 August 2005 13:25, you wrote: > On Thursday 11 August 2005 11:59, Henning Brauer wrote: > > * Dave Feustel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-08-11 18:57]: > > > I just discovered that even though xdm is running, > > > terminals C[0-3] are running in character mode > > > ie. if, while logged

Re: Major Surprise with xdm on 3.7

On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:25:38 -0500 Dave Feustel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thursday 11 August 2005 11:59, Henning Brauer wrote: > > * Dave Feustel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-08-11 18:57]: > > > I just discovered that even though xdm is running, > > > terminals C[0-3] are running in character m

Re: Major Surprise with xdm on 3.7

On Thu, Aug 11, 2005 at 12:25:38PM -0500, Dave Feustel wrote: | > because it is already running? | | But I ran KDE by manually starting it for a long time. | What is the point of a graphical login for only one user? You can log out and let another user use the computer, letting them log in (graphi

Re: Major Surprise with xdm on 3.7

> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Dave Feustel > Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 12:52 PM > To: misc@openbsd.org > Subject: Major Surprise with xdm on 3.7 > > I just discovered that even though xdm is running, > terminals C[0-3] are run

Re: Major Surprise with xdm on 3.7

On Thursday 11 August 2005 11:59, Henning Brauer wrote: > * Dave Feustel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-08-11 18:57]: > > I just discovered that even though xdm is running, > > terminals C[0-3] are running in character mode > > ie. if, while logged in via xdm, I enter ctl-alt-F[0-3], > > I get a tty log

Re: Major Surprise with xdm on 3.7

On Thu, Aug 11, 2005 at 11:51:38AM -0500, Dave Feustel wrote: | I just discovered that even though xdm is running, | terminals C[0-3] are running in character mode Hardly a surprise, of course. Please read up on ttys(5). You can not have run OpenBSD without having logged in to a text-mode console

Re: Major Surprise with xdm on 3.7

* Dave Feustel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-08-11 18:57]: > I just discovered that even though xdm is running, > terminals C[0-3] are running in character mode > ie. if, while logged in via xdm, I enter ctl-alt-F[0-3], > I get a tty login!!! eh, yes, of course. > And if, alfter logging in to one of