RE: amd64 OpenBSD 6.2 doesn't see hard disks when controller in RAID mode

2017-10-12 Thread leo_tck
theo wrote: > > Unfortunately we are still stuck here: > > 0. No code being developered, email and wiki discussion, gnashing of teeth Seems par for the course these days. Blah blah, entitlement, whatnot, and no work being done. --zeur.

Re: amd64 OpenBSD 6.2 doesn't see hard disks when controller in RAID mode

2017-10-12 Thread Theo de Raadt
> On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Stuart Henderson > wrote: > > What is not good is when you do have a RAID array, the controller is > > in RAID mode, but OpenBSD doesn't understand the metadata, so it corrupts > > data on the disk. > > > > This is a difficult area. We don't want to corrupt dat

Re: amd64 OpenBSD 6.2 doesn't see hard disks when controller in RAID mode

2017-10-12 Thread Andrew Daugherity
On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Stuart Henderson wrote: > What is not good is when you do have a RAID array, the controller is > in RAID mode, but OpenBSD doesn't understand the metadata, so it corrupts > data on the disk. > > This is a difficult area. We don't want to corrupt data, but then som

Re: amd64 OpenBSD 6.2 doesn't see hard disks when controller in RAID mode

2017-10-12 Thread Stefan Sperling
On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 03:16:44AM +0300, Rostislav Krasny wrote: > Boasty? I just try to help you to fix this bug by providing the > information I've found. It's hard to fix it by myself because of the > several times mentioned reasons. If you don't want to fix it just > because you don't want I c

Re: amd64 OpenBSD 6.2 doesn't see hard disks when controller in RAID mode

2017-10-12 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2017/10/12 00:18, Rostislav Krasny wrote: > On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 7:01 PM, Stuart Henderson > wrote: > > On 2017-10-11, Rostislav Krasny wrote: > >> On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 6:28 AM, Eric Furman > >> wrote: > >>> On Tue, Oct 10, 2017, at 04:29 PM, Rostislav Krasny wrote: > I think it'

RE: amd64 OpenBSD 6.2 doesn't see hard disks when controller in RAID mode

2017-10-12 Thread leo_tck
Don't mind if I jump in. "Rostislav Krasny" wrote: > > Boasty? I just try to help you to fix this bug by providing the > information I've found. It's hard to fix it by myself because of the > several times mentioned reasons. If you don't want to fix it just > because you don't want I can live wit

Re: amd64 OpenBSD 6.2 doesn't see hard disks when controller in RAID mode

2017-10-11 Thread Rostislav Krasny
On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 2:57 AM, Theo de Raadt wrote: >> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 2:43 AM, Mike Larkin wrote: >> > On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 02:36:11AM +0300, Rostislav Krasny wrote: >> >> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 1:10 AM, Stefan Sperling wrote: >> >> > On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 12:18:52AM +0300, Rost

Re: amd64 OpenBSD 6.2 doesn't see hard disks when controller in RAID mode

2017-10-11 Thread Mike Larkin
On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 02:56:19AM +0300, Rostislav Krasny wrote: > On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 2:43 AM, Mike Larkin wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 02:36:11AM +0300, Rostislav Krasny wrote: > >> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 1:10 AM, Stefan Sperling wrote: > >> > On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 12:18:52AM +030

Re: amd64 OpenBSD 6.2 doesn't see hard disks when controller in RAID mode

2017-10-11 Thread Theo de Raadt
> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 2:43 AM, Mike Larkin wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 02:36:11AM +0300, Rostislav Krasny wrote: > >> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 1:10 AM, Stefan Sperling wrote: > >> > On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 12:18:52AM +0300, Rostislav Krasny wrote: > >> >> You just lose users and popular

Re: amd64 OpenBSD 6.2 doesn't see hard disks when controller in RAID mode

2017-10-11 Thread Rostislav Krasny
On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 2:43 AM, Mike Larkin wrote: > On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 02:36:11AM +0300, Rostislav Krasny wrote: >> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 1:10 AM, Stefan Sperling wrote: >> > On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 12:18:52AM +0300, Rostislav Krasny wrote: >> >> You just lose users and popularity. >> >

Re: amd64 OpenBSD 6.2 doesn't see hard disks when controller in RAID mode

2017-10-11 Thread Mike Larkin
On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 02:36:11AM +0300, Rostislav Krasny wrote: > On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 1:10 AM, Stefan Sperling wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 12:18:52AM +0300, Rostislav Krasny wrote: > >> You just lose users and popularity. > > > > In this community, your statement has the opposite effe

Re: amd64 OpenBSD 6.2 doesn't see hard disks when controller in RAID mode

2017-10-11 Thread Rostislav Krasny
On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 1:10 AM, Stefan Sperling wrote: > On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 12:18:52AM +0300, Rostislav Krasny wrote: >> You just lose users and popularity. > > In this community, your statement has the opposite effect of what it is > trying to achieve. It puts developers off and discourages

Re: amd64 OpenBSD 6.2 doesn't see hard disks when controller in RAID mode

2017-10-11 Thread Theo de Raadt
> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 12:18:52AM +0300, Rostislav Krasny wrote: > > You just lose users and popularity. > > In this community, your statement has the opposite effect of what it is > trying to achieve. It puts developers off and discourages them from > worrying about your problem. > > At any g

Re: amd64 OpenBSD 6.2 doesn't see hard disks when controller in RAID mode

2017-10-11 Thread Stefan Sperling
On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 12:18:52AM +0300, Rostislav Krasny wrote: > You just lose users and popularity. In this community, your statement has the opposite effect of what it is trying to achieve. It puts developers off and discourages them from worrying about your problem. At any given moment, the

Re: amd64 OpenBSD 6.2 doesn't see hard disks when controller in RAID mode

2017-10-11 Thread Sterling Archer
On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 11:18 PM, Rostislav Krasny wrote: > On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 7:01 PM, Stuart Henderson > wrote: >> On 2017-10-11, Rostislav Krasny wrote: >>> On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 6:28 AM, Eric Furman >>> wrote: On Tue, Oct 10, 2017, at 04:29 PM, Rostislav Krasny wrote: > I

Re: amd64 OpenBSD 6.2 doesn't see hard disks when controller in RAID mode

2017-10-11 Thread Rostislav Krasny
On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 7:01 PM, Stuart Henderson wrote: > On 2017-10-11, Rostislav Krasny wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 6:28 AM, Eric Furman wrote: >>> On Tue, Oct 10, 2017, at 04:29 PM, Rostislav Krasny wrote: I think it's worth to be supported. The RAID mode of storage controlle

Re: amd64 OpenBSD 6.2 doesn't see hard disks when controller in RAID mode

2017-10-11 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2017-10-11, Rostislav Krasny wrote: > On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 6:28 AM, Eric Furman wrote: >> On Tue, Oct 10, 2017, at 04:29 PM, Rostislav Krasny wrote: >>> I think it's worth to be supported. The RAID mode of storage >>> controller seems to be a default BIOS configuration in all modern >>> des

Re: amd64 OpenBSD 6.2 doesn't see hard disks when controller in RAID mode

2017-10-11 Thread Rostislav Krasny
On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 6:28 AM, Eric Furman wrote: > On Tue, Oct 10, 2017, at 04:29 PM, Rostislav Krasny wrote: >> I think it's worth to be supported. The RAID mode of storage >> controller seems to be a default BIOS configuration in all modern >> desktop computers. I think most desktop users don

Re: amd64 OpenBSD 6.2 doesn't see hard disks when controller in RAID mode

2017-10-10 Thread nanaya
Hi, On Wed, Oct 11, 2017, at 12:28, Eric Furman wrote: > > I disagree, but that's just my opinion. > And just because something is "a default BIOS configuration in all > modern > desktop computers" doesn't mean it's a good thing. > To add another case point, at least on his system (HP Z230) it'

Re: amd64 OpenBSD 6.2 doesn't see hard disks when controller in RAID mode

2017-10-10 Thread Eric Furman
On Tue, Oct 10, 2017, at 04:29 PM, Rostislav Krasny wrote: > I think it's worth to be supported. The RAID mode of storage > controller seems to be a default BIOS configuration in all modern > desktop computers. I think most desktop users don't configure any real > RAID and continue to use their dis

Re: amd64 OpenBSD 6.2 doesn't see hard disks when controller in RAID mode

2017-10-10 Thread Rostislav Krasny
I think it's worth to be supported. The RAID mode of storage controller seems to be a default BIOS configuration in all modern desktop computers. I think most desktop users don't configure any real RAID and continue to use their disks as separate devices. If at least this RAID configuration is supp

Re: amd64 OpenBSD 6.2 doesn't see hard disks when controller in RAID mode

2017-10-10 Thread Theo de Raadt
This is kind of intentional, since noone has put effort into making softraid understand the disk-binding logic found in the BIOS-RAID sectors. Maybe we should reconsider, dunno. > I've just tried to install the amd64 OpenBSD 6.2 and it doesn't see > hard disks when controller in RAID mode (BIOS c