Re: Questions for OpenBGPd Developers

2009-10-15 Thread Toni Mueller
Hi, On Tue, 13.10.2009 at 11:33:40 -0400, and...@msu.edu wrote: > The problem with this is that the interface between the other OS and the > OpenBSD based code needs to be correct and secure, else there will be > bugs and people will complain that OpenBSD code isn't good, etc and in > general, sn

Re: Questions for OpenBGPd Developers

2009-10-15 Thread Toni Mueller
Hi, On Tue, 13.10.2009 at 16:41:35 +0200, Igor Sobrado wrote: > requirements come first, then you can choose the best tools to get > that work done, not the reverse. why is it so difficult to > understand? well... short story: Your definition of "better" may or may not meet my definition of "b

Re: Questions for OpenBGPd Developers

2009-10-13 Thread Barry Friedman
Cool. Thanks for the excellent info. Regards, Barry On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote: >> In my case it has nothing to do with whether or not millions of people >> use a particular OS but simply that I am constrained to Linux for this >> project and it is non-negotiable. So I

Re: Questions for OpenBGPd Developers

2009-10-13 Thread Theo de Raadt
> In my case it has nothing to do with whether or not millions of people > use a particular OS but simply that I am constrained to Linux for this > project and it is non-negotiable. So I could use that as an excuse to > ignore OpenBGPd but I think it's a nice BGP implementation and I think > it may

Re: Questions for OpenBGPd Developers

2009-10-13 Thread Barry Friedman
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 7:47 AM, Claudio Jeker wrote: > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 04:12:40PM +0200, Ross Cameron wrote: >> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Marc Espie wrote: >> >> > On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 05:50:58PM -0700, Barry Friedman wrote: >> > > Hi, thanks everyone for the information, this

Re: Questions for OpenBGPd Developers

2009-10-13 Thread andres
Quoting "Ross Cameron" : > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Igor Sobrado wrote: > >> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Ross Cameron wrote: >> > >> > Uhm perhaps to provide a better OSPF and BGP implementation to the for an >> OS >> > that is the OS of choice of millions of users and thousands of >

Re: Questions for OpenBGPd Developers

2009-10-13 Thread Reyk Floeter
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 04:41:35PM +0200, Igor Sobrado wrote: > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Ross Cameron wrote: > > > > Uhm perhaps to provide a better OSPF and BGP implementation to the for an OS > > that is the OS of choice of millions of users and thousands of corporations? > > users and

Re: Questions for OpenBGPd Developers

2009-10-13 Thread Ross Cameron
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Igor Sobrado wrote: > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Ross Cameron wrote: > > > > Uhm perhaps to provide a better OSPF and BGP implementation to the for an > OS > > that is the OS of choice of millions of users and thousands of > corporations? > > users and corpo

Re: Questions for OpenBGPd Developers

2009-10-13 Thread Claudio Jeker
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 04:12:40PM +0200, Ross Cameron wrote: > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Marc Espie wrote: > > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 05:50:58PM -0700, Barry Friedman wrote: > > > Hi, thanks everyone for the information, this helps give me an idea of > > > the scope and effort involved

Re: Questions for OpenBGPd Developers

2009-10-13 Thread Igor Sobrado
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Ross Cameron wrote: > > Uhm perhaps to provide a better OSPF and BGP implementation to the for an OS > that is the OS of choice of millions of users and thousands of corporations? users and corporations should learn how to choose the operating systems that best fi

Re: Questions for OpenBGPd Developers

2009-10-13 Thread Marc Espie
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 04:12:40PM +0200, Ross Cameron wrote: > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Marc Espie wrote: > > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 05:50:58PM -0700, Barry Friedman wrote: > > > Hi, thanks everyone for the information, this helps give me an idea of > > > the scope and effort involved

Re: Questions for OpenBGPd Developers

2009-10-13 Thread Joachim Schipper
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 04:12:40PM +0200, Ross Cameron wrote: > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Marc Espie wrote: > > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 05:50:58PM -0700, Barry Friedman wrote: > > > Hi, thanks everyone for the information, this helps give me an idea of > > > the scope and effort involved

Re: Questions for OpenBGPd Developers

2009-10-13 Thread Paul de Weerd
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 04:12:40PM +0200, Ross Cameron wrote: | > I don't see the point in porting this to linux. Why settle for second-best | > ? | > | | Uhm perhaps to provide a better OSPF and BGP implementation to the for an OS | that is the OS of choice of millions of users and thousands of c

Re: Questions for OpenBGPd Developers

2009-10-13 Thread Ross Cameron
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Marc Espie wrote: > On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 05:50:58PM -0700, Barry Friedman wrote: > > Hi, thanks everyone for the information, this helps give me an idea of > > the scope and effort involved in getting OpenBGPd onto Linux. I'll > > look at the OpenSSH project to

Re: Questions for OpenBGPd Developers

2009-10-13 Thread Marc Espie
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 05:50:58PM -0700, Barry Friedman wrote: > Hi, thanks everyone for the information, this helps give me an idea of > the scope and effort involved in getting OpenBGPd onto Linux. I'll > look at the OpenSSH project to see how the portability is added > without cluttering up the

Re: Questions for OpenBGPd Developers

2009-10-13 Thread Claudio Jeker
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 09:59:08AM +0200, Massimo Lusetti wrote: > On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 02:12:04 +0200 > Henning Brauer wrote: > > > and there's a reason why it is that way - I always found the idea of > > making a bgp router out of a common unix box by adding a userland bgp > > speaker only flawe

Re: Questions for OpenBGPd Developers

2009-10-13 Thread Massimo Lusetti
On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 02:12:04 +0200 Henning Brauer wrote: > and there's a reason why it is that way - I always found the idea of > making a bgp router out of a common unix box by adding a userland bgp > speaker only flawed. many things can only properly or at all be done > at kernel level or with

Re: Questions for OpenBGPd Developers

2009-10-12 Thread Barry Friedman
Hi, thanks everyone for the information, this helps give me an idea of the scope and effort involved in getting OpenBGPd onto Linux. I'll look at the OpenSSH project to see how the portability is added without cluttering up the OpenBSD code. Also I am sorry, I did not mean to imply that OpenBGPd i

Re: Questions for OpenBGPd Developers

2009-10-12 Thread Henning Brauer
* Barry Friedman [2009-10-12 19:52]: > Hi, I'm looking at open source BGP implementations for possible use on > a Linux-based system. I'm interested in OpenBGPd and I understand that > it's part of OpenBSD but in the application that I'm looking at the > only choice I am given is Linux. My questio

Re: Questions for OpenBGPd Developers

2009-10-12 Thread Henning Brauer
* Claudio Jeker [2009-10-13 00:09]: > While true this is mostly the reason because nobody from outside came > towards us trying to come up with a portable OpenBGPD similar to the one > done for OpenSSH. Neither I nor Henning have the time and nerves to fiddle > around with other systems routing st

Re: Questions for OpenBGPd Developers

2009-10-12 Thread Claudio Jeker
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 08:12:41PM +0200, Reyk Floeter wrote: > Hi, > > it only works on OpenBSD and any efforts to port it to FreeBSD or > Linux weren't really successful. The reason is that OpenBSD's routing > daemons heavilly utilize the kernel's routing stack that has many > interfaces and fe

Re: Questions for OpenBGPd Developers

2009-10-12 Thread Reyk Floeter
Hi, it only works on OpenBSD and any efforts to port it to FreeBSD or Linux weren't really successful. The reason is that OpenBSD's routing daemons heavilly utilize the kernel's routing stack that has many interfaces and features that are not available in and is not compatible to other OSes. You

Questions for OpenBGPd Developers

2009-10-12 Thread Barry Friedman
Hi, I'm looking at open source BGP implementations for possible use on a Linux-based system. I'm interested in OpenBGPd and I understand that it's part of OpenBSD but in the application that I'm looking at the only choice I am given is Linux. My questions are: Are there any projects to create an O