On Tue, Jun 17, 2025 at 2:20 AM Jan Stary wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> the day has come when I need to do some elementary programming
> (open a window and draw pixels into it). I started with chapter 27
> from Stevens: Advanced UNIX Programming, being my favourite author,
> but
On 2025-06-17 08:56, Lucas Gabriel Vuotto wrote:
On Tue, Jun 17, 2025 at 11:17:39AM +0200, Jan Stary wrote:
Dear all,
the day has come when I need to do some elementary programming
(open a window and draw pixels into it). I started with chapter 27
from Stevens: Advanced UNIX Programming
On Tue, Jun 17, 2025 at 11:17:39AM +0200, Jan Stary wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> the day has come when I need to do some elementary programming
> (open a window and draw pixels into it). I started with chapter 27
> from Stevens: Advanced UNIX Programming, being my favourite author,
>
Nice, this dog food make all a bit happier.. ;o)
Jan Stary :
> Dear all,
>
> the day has come when I need to do some elementary programming
> (open a window and draw pixels into it). I started with chapter 27
> from Stevens: Advanced UNIX Programming, being my favourite au
Dear all,
the day has come when I need to do some elementary programming
(open a window and draw pixels into it). I started with chapter 27
from Stevens: Advanced UNIX Programming, being my favourite author,
but the examples seem to be a bit outdated, at least the manpages
of the X functions
On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 10:00:31PM +0100, Ingo Schwarze wrote:
> Hi Martijn,
>
> Martijn van Duren wrote on Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 09:24:26PM +0100:
> > On 3/16/20 9:22 AM, Ingo Schwarze wrote:
> >> Martijn van Duren wrote on Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 08:52:54AM +0100:
>
> >>> On 3/16/20 8:23 AM, Martin
Hi Martijn,
Martijn van Duren wrote on Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 09:24:26PM +0100:
> On 3/16/20 9:22 AM, Ingo Schwarze wrote:
>> Martijn van Duren wrote on Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 08:52:54AM +0100:
>>> On 3/16/20 8:23 AM, Martin wrote:
>>> If you want reading material find a function you don't understand
On 3/16/20 9:22 AM, Ingo Schwarze wrote:
> Hi Martijn,
>
> Martijn van Duren wrote on Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 08:52:54AM +0100:
>> On 3/16/20 8:23 AM, Martin wrote:
>> If you want reading material find a function you don't understand and
>> lookup the manpage. If you want to have a more adventurous a
Hi Martijn,
Martijn van Duren wrote on Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 08:52:54AM +0100:
> On 3/16/20 8:23 AM, Martin wrote:
>> The best way for beginner to start with OpenbBSD programming?
> This belongs on misc, so moving it there.
>
> My usual routine (and probably of a lot of other
On 3/16/20 8:23 AM, Martin wrote:
> Hello list,
>
> The best way for beginner to start with OpenbBSD programming?
>
> Martin
>
This belongs on misc, so moving it there.
My usual routine (and probably of a lot of other OpenBSD developers) is:
1) Use it
2) Get annoyed by someth
Hi,
I originally wrote this program around 5 years ago and didn't know it was in
this bad state. So disregard debugging this for now, I'm fixing it up. I
think I'm very close to getting it to work. For the size of the program, I
wasn't thinking at the time, maybe I'll better post just an URL
Hi,
I have made a small program to read out MIDI commands for my Numark iDJLive II,
DJ mixer (USB). I got rid of all my Apple software on Apple Hardware and there
I had used Algoriddim DJ Pro software to take commands from this mixer.
I pretty well made a crossfader and menu out of curses to mak
warn people not to use high-level
> >> programming languages.
> >
> >
> > In the future, computers will program programmers.
> >
>
> I remember programming back when it was the programmer, and not the
> compiler, that did the optimizations.
On 30/10/19 3:17 am, Nathan Hartman wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 7:41 AM Clark Block wrote:
>
>> Just as most programmers today warn people not to use assembler, probably
>> future programmers will warn people not to use high-level programming
>> languages.
>
>
On 10/29/2019 1:17 PM, Nathan Hartman wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 7:41 AM Clark Block wrote:
>
>> Just as most programmers today warn people not to use assembler, probably
>> future programmers will warn people not to use high-level programming
>> languages.
>
&g
On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 7:41 AM Clark Block wrote:
> Just as most programmers today warn people not to use assembler, probably
> future programmers will warn people not to use high-level programming
> languages.
In the future, computers will program programmers.
Hi!
Just as most programmers today warn people not to use assembler, probably
future programmers will warn people not to use high-level programming
languages.
It is written in book Java How to Program ninth edition that instead of
using the strings of numbers that computers could directly
> On Feb 9, 2019, at 3:11 PM, patrick keshishian wrote:
>
> also you have got daemons running in the system.
>
>
>
>> Yours,
>> Ingo
>>
>From time to time the sounding of the dwarven horn will go on deaf ears ;)
Regards
Patrick
On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 12:33 PM Ingo Schwarze wrote:
> Hi Mihai,
>
> please don't feed trolls.
>
> The original BSD mascot happens to be the beast,
> but apart from that, this thread is off-topic even on misc@.
>
also you have got daemons running in the system.
> Yours,
> Ingo
>
>
Hi Mihai,
please don't feed trolls.
The original BSD mascot happens to be the beast,
but apart from that, this thread is off-topic even on misc@.
Yours,
Ingo
Maybe the release 6.6 should be skipped then?
I like the part with wine, smoke and lamb. A well done lamb.
accepts the mark of the
beast will be condemned to live all eternity tormented in the lake of fire
and brimstone.
What programming languages and operating systems will be used after Jesus
returns?
In other words, what are the programming languages and operating systems
that will be used in the
Hello, Kevin.
please, join us on Telegram, openbsdjumpstart channel. There
are people who can help you to start.
http://openbsdjumpstart.org/#/47
Ve.
t; > OpenBSD mailing list. I did not really want to send it here. Is reading
> > code on the obsfucated C programming website necessary to get a feel for
> > blatant bad style code ?
>
> I'm sort of in the same boat as you are. I've been trying to get my
> programming
ccount for a technical
> reason I dont want to mention (No, I did not get banned !) so that is
> probably the main reason why you are reading this message on the 'official'
> OpenBSD mailing list. I did not really want to send it here. Is reading
> code on the obsfucated C pro
I would advise start with reading the OpenBSD Mailing List Netiquette first:
(https://www.openbsd.org/mail.html)
Particularly the 5th point from top:
*- Stay on topic*...
On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 7:57 PM, Marc Espie wrote:
> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 11:41:00PM -0400, Kevin Burke wrote:
> > Hey g
On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 11:41:00PM -0400, Kevin Burke wrote:
> Hey guys,
fell asleep waiting for a point.
Books related to OpenBSD: https://www.openbsd.org/books.html
If you're hacking the OpenBSD base, you'll get very good advice by
submitting patches to tech@.
You'll find that the OpenBSD community isn't overly fond of political
debate or security theater, most people just stick to technical
discus
Kevin,
This is a meandering and irrelevant email. Please don't email more
irrelevant ramblings. If you have practical Unix use or development
questions you can ask on IRC, here or elsewhere.
Joseph
On May 31, 2018 11:41 AM, Kevin Burke wrote:
> Hey guys,
>
..
r my email situation right
now since it is not like a postfix or sendmail with fetchmail and mutt and
all that stuff. So, if this made it through and it is offending and was not
somehow automatically rejected don't flame me please.
My motivation for potentially getting into programming for OpenBS
fixed, thanks
diff --git books.html books.html
index 0a3abb7e8..93fef71b1 100644
--- books.html
+++ books.html
@@ -319,7 +319,7 @@ This book is similar to The Practice of Programming,
but older. The
examples are given in Fortran and PL/I.
-Advanced Programming in the Unix Environment (2nd Edition
Your hints were sufficient to get me to a working 64-bit program:
```
.section ".note.openbsd.ident", "a"
.p2align 2
.long 0x8
.long 0x4
.long 0x1
.ascii "OpenBSD\0"
.long 0x
.p2align 2
.section .text
.globl _start
_start:
mov $1, %rax
xor %rdi, %rdi
syscall
```
I'd b
Many thanks for the pointers.
On Fri, 14 Apr 2017, Kartik Agaram wrote:
> Many thanks! Yes, a static binary is perfectly fine at this time :) A
> couple of follow-up questions, if y'all would please indulge me:
>
> 1. Now that I am reminded of this handy new `readelf` tool, I go
> running it on the new static executable I just
Many thanks! Yes, a static binary is perfectly fine at this time :) A
couple of follow-up questions, if y'all would please indulge me:
1. Now that I am reminded of this handy new `readelf` tool, I go
running it on the new static executable I just generated.
```
$ cat exit.s # repeating for your
On Fri, 14 Apr 2017, Kartik Agaram wrote:
> I'm trying out a simple Assembly program on a freshly installed "OpenBSD
> openbsd 6.1 GENERIC#291 i386":
>
> --- begin exit.s
...
> --- end
>
> This program assembles and links without error. However when I try to
> run it, I get this:
>
> $ as exit
I'm trying out a simple Assembly program on a freshly installed
"OpenBSD openbsd 6.1 GENERIC#291 i386":
--- begin exit.s
#
https://web.archive.org/web/20120509101207/http://lucifer.phiral.net/openbsdasm.htm
#
# $ as exit.s -o exit.o && ld exit.o -o exit && ./exit
.section ".note.openbsd.ident
lso interested
> >> in basic electronics, like programming own thermometer. That's why I
> >> want to install OpenBSD on my BeagleBone Black and write some simple
> >> programs using I/O pins. Are there any tutorials on this? I have found
> >> some books about
On 06/29/15 03:46, Daniel Bolgheroni wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 05:26:10PM +0200, Piotr Kubaj wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm mainly a FreeBSD user but want to learn OpenBSD. I'm also interested
>> in basic electronics, like programming own thermometer. That&
On 06/29/2015 03:46, Daniel Bolgheroni wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 05:26:10PM +0200, Piotr Kubaj wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm mainly a FreeBSD user but want to learn OpenBSD. I'm also interested
>> in basic electronics, like programming own thermometer. Th
Hi,
andrew fabbro wrote on Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 11:00:32AM -0700:
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 9:38 PM, Hrishikesh Muruk wrote:
>> The online man (man.cgi) for intro(9) is very short
>> I suppose the other man pages in section 9 (kernel
>> developer's manual) will have more details.
As a matter of
On 2015-06-25, andrew fabbro wrote:
> There was a 2nd edition of "The Design and Implementation of the FreeBSD
> Operating System" released September 2014. I haven't looked at it - was it
> updated to reflect current design?
It was, but how is any of this relevant for OpenBSD?
--
Christian "n
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 9:38 PM, Hrishikesh Muruk wrote:
> But it does not seem to get a complete list of pages in section 9
>
I asked Kristaps Dzonsos this question a while back and he was kind enough
to send me the answer. If you want to get a list of man pages in, say,
section 9:
http://www.
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 6:57 PM, Geoff Steckel wrote:
> The McKusick books are a reasonable introduction to the kernel
> as it was some decades ago.
There was a 2nd edition of "The Design and Implementation of the FreeBSD
Operating System" released September 2014. I haven't looked at it - was
On 2015-06-25 09.39.23 +0530, Hrishikesh Muruk wrote:
> Is there a way to see all of the pages in section 9 using man.cgi (or man)?
I had done this; perhaps there is a better way, but I don't know it:
$ apropos -s 9 *
Am Mittwoch, den 24.06.2015, 17:26 +0200 schrieb Piotr Kubaj:
> I want to install OpenBSD on my BeagleBone Black and write some
> simple
> programs using I/O pins. Are there any tutorials on this?
Additionally to what the others did say, you probably should have a
look into the (code of the) gpi
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 9:39 AM, Hrishikesh Muruk wrote:
>
> Thanks, those man pages seem like good starting points.
>
> The online man (man.cgi) for intro(9) is very short I suppose the other
> man pages in section 9 (kernel developer's manual) will have more details.
>
> Is there a way to see a
but want to learn OpenBSD. I'm also
> interested
> > >> in basic electronics, like programming own thermometer. That's why I
> > >> want to install OpenBSD on my BeagleBone Black and write some simple
> > >> programs using I/O pins. Are there any tutorials on
On 06/24/2015 11:26 AM, Piotr Kubaj wrote:
Hi all,
I'm mainly a FreeBSD user but want to learn OpenBSD. I'm also interested
in basic electronics, like programming own thermometer. That's why I
want to install OpenBSD on my BeagleBone Black and write some simple
programs usin
On 2015-06-24 19.18.42 +0200, Piotr Kubaj wrote:
> On 06/24/15 19:11, Michael McConville wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 05:26:10PM +0200, Piotr Kubaj wrote:
> >> I'm mainly a FreeBSD user but want to learn OpenBSD. I'm also interested
> >> in basic electron
On 06/24/15 19:11, Michael McConville wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 05:26:10PM +0200, Piotr Kubaj wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm mainly a FreeBSD user but want to learn OpenBSD. I'm also interested
>> in basic electronics, like programming own thermometer. Th
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 05:26:10PM +0200, Piotr Kubaj wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm mainly a FreeBSD user but want to learn OpenBSD. I'm also interested
> in basic electronics, like programming own thermometer. That's why I
> want to install OpenBSD on my BeagleBo
Hi all,
I'm mainly a FreeBSD user but want to learn OpenBSD. I'm also interested
in basic electronics, like programming own thermometer. That's why I
want to install OpenBSD on my BeagleBone Black and write some simple
programs using I/O pins. Are there any tutorials on this? I
Does it have any chances to be some day popular programming language?
Do you think that learning Rust can be good for educational purposes?
Lampshade said:
> Do you think that learning Rust can be good for educational purposes?
Learning anything is good for educational purposes.
--
Dmitrij D. Czarkoff
Hello
May 15 2015 have been a release date for Rust 1.0. What is your opinion on Rust?
Does it have any chances to be some day popular programming language?
Do you think that learning Rust can be good for educational purposes?
Hi Matti,
Matti Karnaattu wrote on Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 12:25:54AM +0300:
> This also means that there is probably desire to dump GCC
Yes, we strongly wish to replace GCC because we are stuck with
the last available GPLv2 version, which is ancient by now.
Newer GCC is GPLv3, and GPLv3 code won't
>Most definitely not.
Thanks for clarification. Then it is something like MIT approach except
strict license policy.
This also means that there is probably desire to dump GCC favor of LLVM?
Drawbacks are using C++ code and reduced portability to legacy
platforms.
I personally don't find GCC to b
Hi Matti,
Matti Karnaattu wrote on Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 08:57:30PM +0300:
> And if I understand correctly, priorities goes like this:
> simplicity > licensing purity > correctness > completeness
Most definitely not.
That's more than just a bit misleading.
None of these can be put into an unamb
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Matti Karnaattu wrote:
> What I meant was to clarify OpenBSD culture, priorities and coding
> practices and like to know whichever was the lesser of two evils:
>
> -simplicity vs. licensing purity
> -licensing purity vs. completeness
> -pragmatic licensing and com
>I find it far more useful and easier to work with and control than
>"modern desktops" and wish modern programs went back to older config
>standards and used text rather than *conf rubbish and that freedesktop
>followed the older principles more closely when doing desktop
>unification features etc.
previously on this list Ingo Schwarze contributed:
> There are problems with fvwm, yes. It is old, crufty code of
> horrible quality.
I was under the impression that when it was audited it was found to be
far better than expected and I believe something like quite clean or
surprising little cle
Hi Matti,
Matti Karnaattu wrote on Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 02:14:25AM +0300:
> 1. Is there any preferred way to post diffs?
* cvs diff -Nup
* send inline in the mail body, not as MIME attachments
* if you are already in contact with a particular group of
developers who want to review diffs in
e X11R6 API, but we certainly don't recommend using that for
>application programming.
>But i'm not aware of anybody developing a GUI
>application *as an OpenBSD subproject*.
Right. And I don't expect that anybody do that because there is no API
for that in base system.
To fu
|
| However, I can't do that task because I don't know the OpenBSD developers
| mindset and I don't know yet is this the right community. I'm
| interested to put effort in controlled manner and help to remove ambiquity.
|
| I'm still probing this community.
|
Hi Matti,
Best way to see what thi
>Note that that diff does the converse of what you requested, pegging a
>thread to a CPU instead of banning the CPU from running other
>processes' threads.
True, but this is good starting point.
>On your bigger question: I don't know of any one working on making
>OpenBSD a realtime OS in the sens
applications,
> but what else?
Whatever developers are interested in. Developers are more
likely to be interested in well-documented hardware than in
hardware that requires reverse engineering.
> -"Hey, I like to create GUI application, what is the preferred API?"
That question is unrelat
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 7:09 AM, Matti Karnaattu wrote:
>>You can use this diff if you want, it adds support for nice(1) to do
>>the binding, I use it to do MP tests.
>
> Thanks! This helps a lot.
Note that that diff does the converse of what you requested, pegging a
thread to a CPU instead of ba
>You can use this diff if you want, it adds support for nice(1) to do
>the binding, I use it to do MP tests.
Thanks! This helps a lot.
s to follow (even partially) and what are not?
-Preferred targets. Embedded hardware and security applications,
but what else?
-"Hey, I like to create GUI application, what is the preferred API?"
I think that programming should be mandatory in elementary school
because it force to describ
On 9 September 2014 22:30, Matti Karnaattu wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Is it possible to dedicate CPU core to process?
>
> What I'm looking for is simple way to take advantage of high quality and
> secure code base of OpenBSD to use in real time/embedded applications.
> If this trick can be achived, it is
However, it is unclear what are interests of OpenBSD
> developers and where project is heading.
These are listed on the interwebs:
http://www.openbsd.org/goals.html
>
> I consider that going deep kernel internals is out of scope for my
> interests so some developer hacking kernel every week sh
internals is out of scope for my
interests so some developer hacking kernel every week should have
interests to enable OpenBSD suitable for safety programming. Otherwise I
have to look elsewhere.
>Can you give more details about what tools/techniques you have in mind?
Formal specifications defined w
> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 4:30 PM, Matti Karnaattu wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Is it possible to dedicate CPU core to process?
This thread may or may not be useful to read over:
http://marc.info/?t=13588288892&r=1&w=1
>
> What I'm looking for is simple way to take advantage of high quality and
> se
Hello,
Is it possible to dedicate CPU core to process?
What I'm looking for is simple way to take advantage of high quality and
secure code base of OpenBSD to use in real time/embedded applications.
If this trick can be achived, it is simple to use OpenBSD as platform
when critical parts of softw
nglas <
> jca+o...@wxcvbn.org> wrote:
>
> > Friedrich Locke writes:
> >
> > > Does anybody know any mailing list devoted to unix/posix programming ?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > My first tought is comp.unix.programmer
> &
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 08:24:43PM +0100, Jérémie Courrèges-Anglas wrote:
> Friedrich Locke writes (about
> comp.unix.programmer):
>
> > It is a newsgroup, not a mailing list.
> >
> > What news client do you suggest in order to access it?
>
> I use Gnus (a newsreader and more, integrated into E
Friedrich Locke writes (about comp.unix.programmer):
> It is a newsgroup, not a mailing list.
>
> What news client do you suggest in order to access it?
I use Gnus (a newsreader and more, integrated into Emacs). But
take a look at /usr/ports/news. trn, slrn, etc
There are web gateways, like g
It is a newsgroup, not a mailing list.
What news client do you suggest in order to access it?
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Jérémie Courrèges-Anglas <
jca+o...@wxcvbn.org> wrote:
> Friedrich Locke writes:
>
> > Does anybody know any mailing list devoted to unix
Friedrich Locke writes:
> Does anybody know any mailing list devoted to unix/posix programming ?
>
> Thanks in advance.
My first tought is comp.unix.programmer
--
Jérémie Courrèges-Anglas
GPG Key fingerprint: 61DB D9A0 00A4 67CF 2A90 8961 6191 8FBF 06A1 1494
Does anybody know any mailing list devoted to unix/posix programming ?
Thanks in advance.
Hi,
VIM is the reply.!
Regards.
On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Giovanni Bechis wrote:
> Joel Rees wrote:
>> Anyone tried Kylix under Linux emulation? ;->
>>
> I tried an old version and it worked, if I remember correctly it was
> OpenBSD 3.8.
> Cheers
> Giovanni
>
--
Francisco Vallado
Joel Rees wrote:
> Anyone tried Kylix under Linux emulation? ;->
>
I tried an old version and it worked, if I remember correctly it was
OpenBSD 3.8.
Cheers
Giovanni
Chris Palmer nodewarrior.org> writes:
>
> People don't seem to get this, but Unix itself *is* an IDE.
>
>
Indeed. Worth to read for beginners:
http://blog.sanctum.geek.nz/series/unix-as-ide/ .
Replace Linux with BSD and adjust flags for GNU tools
replaced with BSD rewrites where required.
Amit Kulkarni [amitk...@gmail.com] wrote:
>
> they are cheap in india for a specific reason,
Most people in India can't afford to pay US/EU prices there
> and they are expensive in US/EU for another specific reason.
>
Because more people in US/EU don't buy the India version
> this is getting i
On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 4:47 AM, Amarendra Godbole
wrote:
> Hi misc@, tech@,
>
> If it is difficult to grab hold of a copy of K&R 2nd ed., please drop
> me a private note -- I have a bunch of copies (5) which I can send
> across your way as a gift. I'll probably ask you to cover the shipping
> (~$6
Hi misc@, tech@,
If it is difficult to grab hold of a copy of K&R 2nd ed., please drop
me a private note -- I have a bunch of copies (5) which I can send
across your way as a gift. I'll probably ask you to cover the shipping
(~$6 US). These are Indian reprints which cost a lot less here in
India (
o all
I am amazed with the responces received! Thanks to all of you for your
input!! The books I went with are the "The C Programming Language" and
"The C Answer Book". Once I go threw these I will try the other ones
recommended.
Thanks again!!!
Cody
> Yes there is an official answers book, but it is written by other
> authors. I believe that the K&R book refers to it somewhere.
They refer to it on the back of the book
:D
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 10:41 PM, Jay Patel wrote:
> Hey i found this
> http://www.wibit.net/curriculum/the_c_lineage/programming_in_c for
> newbie ..after this you can go to K&R C.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jay.
>
>
I must say this is a wealth of knowledge! Thanks to everyone for the input
on this!
Th
Hey i found this
http://www.wibit.net/curriculum/the_c_lineage/programming_in_c for
newbie ..after this you can go to K&R C.
Regards,
Jay.
k refers to it somewhere.
>
>
http://www.amazon.com/The-Answer-Book-Solutions-Programming/dp/0131096532/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1340400381&sr=8-1&keywords=the+c+answer+book
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 10:33:31AM +0200, ropers wrote:
>
> There is an answers book? Is that official or unofficial, i.e. is it
> just some random punter's crib notes or something that Messrs K&R
> wrote?
> Would that be a good reference if one shows restraint and tries one's
> own hand first, or
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 07:55:18AM +0200, Otto Moerbeek wrote:
>
> Wel, reading an answers book does not really help. Arriving at the
> answers yourself (wich requires effort indeed) is much better.
>
> A mentioned in the preface, K&R requires some knowledge about general
>
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 11:20:09AM -0700, Matthew Dempsky wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Amit Kulkarni wrote:
> > yes it is, and i am surprised it is ~ $50. it is such a small book.
>
> FWIW, you can read the C specification drafts online for free:
>
> C89: http://flash-gordon.me.uk/
On 22 June 2012 00:05, Chris Bennett wrote:
>
> Yes, it's a very tough book.
> I have had a similar experience.
>
> I did get a copy of the answers book from an interlibrary loan.
There is an answers book? Is that official or unofficial, i.e. is it
just some random punter's crib notes or somethin
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Peter J. Philipp wrote:
>
> This is interesting "K&R requires some knowledge about general programming
> concepts", I couldn't agree more considering how I struggled with K&R.
Yes, that's true with me as well.
I couldn
eed, the answer book is cheating yourself. One may be better off reading
someone elses code.
> A mentioned in the preface, K&R requires some knowledge about general
> programming concepts and/or access to someone with experience. And it
> requires real study, not just causal reading, as
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 05:05:31PM -0500, Chris Bennett wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 09:05:42PM +0200, Pieter Verberne wrote:
> > On 2012-06-21 20:09, Bryan Irvine wrote:
> > >On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Amit Kulkarni
> > > wrote:
> > >>>??Tal
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