Re: Merchandise idea: OpenBSD mug

2007-01-15 Thread Samurai Chef
On 1/14/07, Clint Pachl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Tom Beard wrote: Samurai Chef wrote: I'll do it. I'll order some and announce here. I'll set up a ebay store for the merchandise. contact me with requests. I'd take a few if you got them done. Me too. Is that eBay store setup?

Re: Merchandise idea: OpenBSD mug

2007-01-15 Thread Clint Pachl
Tom Beard wrote: Samurai Chef wrote: I'll do it. I'll order some and announce here. I'll set up a ebay store for the merchandise. contact me with requests. I'd take a few if you got them done. Me too. Is that eBay store setup? Like someone all ready mentioned, it would be reall

Re: Merchandise idea: OpenBSD mug

2007-01-15 Thread L. V. Lammert
On Mon, 15 Jan 2007, Greg Thomas wrote: > On 1/15/07, Samurai Chef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 1/14/07, Constantine A. Murenin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Read the archives. Theo explained here the copyright law many times, > > > > Thanks for the information. I failed to search t

Re: Merchandise idea: OpenBSD mug

2007-01-15 Thread Greg Thomas
On 1/15/07, Samurai Chef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 1/14/07, Constantine A. Murenin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Read the archives. Theo explained here the copyright law many times, > specifically to your situation about the use of artwork -- unless you > are explicitly given the right to se

Re: Merchandise idea: OpenBSD mug

2007-01-15 Thread Samurai Chef
On 1/14/07, Constantine A. Murenin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Read the archives. Theo explained here the copyright law many times, specifically to your situation about the use of artwork -- unless you are explicitly given the right to sell you don't have such a right [1]. Period, this is misc@ a

Re: Merchandise idea: OpenBSD mug

2007-01-14 Thread Constantine A. Murenin
On 14/01/07, Samurai Chef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 1/14/07, Marc Balmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How about thinking if he is allowed to use the (copyrighted) artwork for > commercial use? > > Did he get the permissions? Does he have an OK from the copyright owner > to market these mugs u

Re: Merchandise idea: OpenBSD mug

2007-01-14 Thread Marco Peereboom
> To quote from http://www.openbsd.org/art4.html: > "Most images provided here are copyright by OpenBSD, by Theo de Raadt, > or by other members or developers of the OpenBSD group. However, it is > our intent that anyone be able to use these images to represent > OpenBSD in a positive light. So enj

Re: Merchandise idea: OpenBSD mug

2007-01-14 Thread Jason George
>You are correct on the money aspect, see my other post. > >I have asked for permission from Theo out of courtesy. I have not >received a reply yet. Once I have that permission and higher quality >artwork I will place the orders. After that, it will take about 10 >days to get the products. Then

Re: Merchandise idea: OpenBSD mug

2007-01-14 Thread Samurai Chef
On 1/14/07, Marc Balmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: How about thinking if he is allowed to use the (copyrighted) artwork for commercial use? Did he get the permissions? Does he have an OK from the copyright owner to market these mugs using a copyrighted artwork? To quote from http://www.openbs

Re: Merchandise idea: OpenBSD mug

2007-01-14 Thread Umnada Tyrolla
> -Original Message- > From: Marc Balmer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 7:11 PM > To: Umnada Tyrolla > Cc: misc@openbsd.org > Subject: Re: Merchandise idea: OpenBSD mug > > * Umnada Tyrolla wrote: > > > Seems to me like Sa

Re: Merchandise idea: OpenBSD mug

2007-01-14 Thread chefren
On 1/15/07 1:11 AM, Marc Balmer wrote: * Umnada Tyrolla wrote: Seems to me like Samurai Chef is providing a service. Just because others do things (like program) for free doesn't mean they shouldn't be paid for it. On the other hand, Samurai Chef isn't really creating anything. Isn't he pr

Re: Merchandise idea: OpenBSD mug

2007-01-14 Thread Samurai Chef
On 1/14/07, Marc Balmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Did he get the permissions? Does he have an OK from the copyright owner to market these mugs using a copyrighted artwork? Not yet. I'm working on it however. My understanding is that Theo is the copyright holder. I have an sent an email to

Re: Merchandise idea: OpenBSD mug

2007-01-14 Thread bofh
> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 4:08 PM > To: misc@openbsd.org > Subject: Re: Merchandise idea: OpenBSD mug > > Please correct me if I'm wrong, but he's not marketing a brand, he's > fulfilling a market request. He's keeping some of the > proceeds that he &

Re: Merchandise idea: OpenBSD mug

2007-01-14 Thread Martin Toft
On Mon, Jan 15, 2007 at 01:11:24AM +0100, Marc Balmer wrote: > How about thinking if he is allowed to use the (copyrighted) artwork > for commercial use? > > Did he get the permissions? Does he have an OK from the copyright > owner to market these mugs using a copyrighted artwork? All those questi

Re: Merchandise idea: OpenBSD mug

2007-01-14 Thread Marc Balmer
* Umnada Tyrolla wrote: > Seems to me like Samurai Chef is providing a service. Just because > others do things (like program) for free doesn't mean they shouldn't be > paid for it. > > On the other hand, Samurai Chef isn't really creating anything. Maybe a > profit split between the artwork cre

Re: Merchandise idea: OpenBSD mug

2007-01-14 Thread Umnada Tyrolla
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Jean-Daniel Beaubien > > I just wanted to say that if your worried about the cost of broken > mugs (like bofh mentioned a few post earlier) you could simply sell > the 'Travel mugs'. Since they are ma

Re: Merchandise idea: OpenBSD mug

2007-01-14 Thread Umnada Tyrolla
f? Or how about a three-way split, one for OBSD/Theo? --volunteer consultant > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Nick Davey > Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 4:08 PM > To: misc@openbsd.org > Subject: Re: Merchand

Re: Merchandise idea: OpenBSD mug

2007-01-14 Thread Jan Mason
Thanks for taking on the project. I'm good for a couple of mugs. On 1/14/07, Samurai Chef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You are free to do the same thing and donate all profits to whomever you wish. If you don't agree, then don't buy. I've stated my position and if you don't agree, then you don'

Re: Merchandise idea: OpenBSD mug

2007-01-14 Thread Jean-Daniel Beaubien
I just wanted to say that if your worried about the cost of broken mugs (like bofh mentioned a few post earlier) you could simply sell the 'Travel mugs'. Since they are made of stainless steel, I very much doubt they would break during shipping...Also I find them more practical. You would even h

Re: Merchandise idea: OpenBSD mug

2007-01-14 Thread Nick Davey
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but he's not marketing a brand, he's fulfilling a market request. He's keeping some of the proceeds that he earned by spending his time, and initially, his money, so that we have these products available. It doesn't seem quiet unreasonable Nick Deanna Phill

Re: Merchandise idea: OpenBSD mug

2007-01-14 Thread Samurai Chef
You are free to do the same thing and donate all profits to whomever you wish. If you don't agree, then don't buy. I've stated my position and if you don't agree, then you don't agree. I have no intentions on engaging you on a long discussion of the merits of this project. On 1/14/07, Deanna P

Re: Merchandise idea: OpenBSD mug

2007-01-14 Thread Deanna Phillips
Samurai Chef writes: > Because I have a risk involved. I am placing my own money up > and spending my time to fill a market request. Therefore I ^ Aha, that's where I thought this was going. So your time spent "marketing" a "brand" created by unpaid volunteers is worth mo

Re: Merchandise idea: OpenBSD mug

2007-01-14 Thread Samurai Chef
You are correct on the money aspect, see my other post. I have asked for permission from Theo out of courtesy. I have not received a reply yet. Once I have that permission and higher quality artwork I will place the orders. After that, it will take about 10 days to get the products. Then I wi

Re: Merchandise idea: OpenBSD mug

2007-01-14 Thread Samurai Chef
Because I have a risk involved. I am placing my own money up and spending my time to fill a market request. Therefore I will keep some of the money to cover my costs and have a little profit to provide more products in the future. Some of the money will go back to the project. I could be a rea

Re: Merchandise idea: OpenBSD mug

2007-01-14 Thread bofh
On 1/14/07, Deanna Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Samurai Chef writes: > portions of the sales will be donated back to the project. Huh. What portions? Why not all proceeds? Just curious. Probably some upfront costs, and you need some capital for the next batch, etc. Also need some $

Re: Merchandise idea: OpenBSD mug

2007-01-14 Thread Deanna Phillips
Samurai Chef writes: > portions of the sales will be donated back to the project. Huh. What portions? Why not all proceeds? Just curious.

Re: Merchandise idea: OpenBSD mug

2007-01-14 Thread Martin Toft
On Sat, Jan 13, 2007 at 10:23:11PM -0600, Samurai Chef wrote: > There has been quite a bit of response so far, that's very > encouraging. Thank you to all who have responded so far. > > Here is what I am planning on ordering: white coffee cups with puffy > and OpenBSD logo wraped around the cup.

Re: Merchandise idea: OpenBSD mug

2007-01-14 Thread Tom Beard
Samurai Chef wrote: > I'll do it. I'll order some and announce here. I'll set up a ebay > store for the merchandise. contact me with requests. I'd take a few if you got them done. Tom

Re: Merchandise idea: OpenBSD mug

2007-01-13 Thread Joel Goguen
I'd be interested in one of those mugs. J.C. Roberts wrote: > On Friday 12 January 2007 11:12, Samurai Chef wrote: >> I'll do it. I'll order some and announce here. I'll set up a ebay >> store for the merchandise. contact me with requests. > > http://www.discountmugs.com/libbey-beer-mug-glass-

Re: Merchandise idea: OpenBSD mug

2007-01-13 Thread Samurai Chef
There has been quite a bit of response so far, that's very encouraging. Thank you to all who have responded so far. Here is what I am planning on ordering: white coffee cups with puffy and OpenBSD logo wraped around the cup. planning on using the logo from http://www.openbsd.org/art/puffy/puflog

Re: Merchandise idea: OpenBSD mug

2007-01-13 Thread Sam Fourman Jr.
I am interested in Ordering 3 of those beer mugs with Wire Frame Puffy have you thought about putting the OpenBSD wording on it too? mail me off list if you get close to 72 orders Sam Fourman Jr. On 1/12/07, Gustavo Rios <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I am interested in buying some. Good ideia.

Re: Merchandise idea: OpenBSD mug

2007-01-12 Thread Gustavo Rios
I am interested in buying some. Good ideia. On 1/12/07, Samurai Chef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'll do it. I'll order some and announce here. I'll set up a ebay store for the merchandise. contact me with requests.

Re: Merchandise idea: OpenBSD mug

2007-01-12 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Friday 12 January 2007 11:12, Samurai Chef wrote: > I'll do it. I'll order some and announce here. I'll set up a ebay > store for the merchandise. contact me with requests. http://www.discountmugs.com/libbey-beer-mug-glass-l24.htm Use the free "Satin Etch" (see bottom) Wire Frame Puffy on t

Re: Merchandise idea: OpenBSD mug

2007-01-12 Thread Samurai Chef
I'll do it. I'll order some and announce here. I'll set up a ebay store for the merchandise. contact me with requests.

Re: Merchandise idea: OpenBSD mug

2007-01-12 Thread Dan Farrell
January 12, 2007 1:21 PM > To: OpenBSD > Subject: Re: Merchandise idea: OpenBSD mug > > On 1/12/07, Tom Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Otto Moerbeek wrote: > > > Wow, nobody ever thought of that before You could at leats have > > > searcghed

Re: Merchandise idea: OpenBSD mug

2007-01-12 Thread Dan Farrell
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Otto Moerbeek > Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 12:01 PM > To: Martin Toft > Cc: misc@openbsd.org > Subject: Re: Merchandise idea: OpenBSD mug > > On Fri, 12 Jan 2007, Martin Toft wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I think it would be awesom

Re: Merchandise idea: OpenBSD mug

2007-01-12 Thread Greg Thomas
On 1/12/07, Tom Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Otto Moerbeek wrote: > Wow, nobody ever thought of that before You could at leats have > searcghed the archives to see if your idea is new. That was over three years ago, surely there's nothing wrong with bringing an old idea back up for recon

Re: Merchandise idea: OpenBSD mug

2007-01-12 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2007/01/12 17:19, Tom Beard wrote: > Otto Moerbeek wrote: > > Wow, nobody ever thought of that before You could at leats have > > searcghed the archives to see if your idea is new. > That was over three years ago, surely there's nothing wrong with > bringing an old idea back up for reconsi

Re: Merchandise idea: OpenBSD mug

2007-01-12 Thread mickey
On Fri, Jan 12, 2007 at 05:19:47PM +, Tom Beard wrote: > Otto Moerbeek wrote: > > Wow, nobody ever thought of that before You could at leats have > > searcghed the archives to see if your idea is new. > That was over three years ago, surely there's nothing wrong with > bringing an old ide

Re: Merchandise idea: OpenBSD mug

2007-01-12 Thread Tom Beard
Otto Moerbeek wrote: > Wow, nobody ever thought of that before You could at leats have > searcghed the archives to see if your idea is new. That was over three years ago, surely there's nothing wrong with bringing an old idea back up for reconsideration? Personally I think that a mug would b

Re: Merchandise idea: OpenBSD mug

2007-01-12 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Fri, 12 Jan 2007, Martin Toft wrote: > Hi, > > I think it would be awesome, if it was possible to buy an OpenBSD mug > from the online ordering system at www.openbsd.org. I would definitely > buy one together with the 4.1 cd-set. > > I imagine the mug with Cartoon Puffy on the one side and th

Merchandise idea: OpenBSD mug

2007-01-12 Thread Martin Toft
Hi, I think it would be awesome, if it was possible to buy an OpenBSD mug from the online ordering system at www.openbsd.org. I would definitely buy one together with the 4.1 cd-set. I imagine the mug with Cartoon Puffy on the one side and the OpenBSD logo on the other side (see http://www.openbs