At 11:01 AM 8/8/07, Nick Holland wrote:
Asking "Does OpenBSD support my new processor" is usually missing the
point. Ask if it supports your new COMPUTER. Better yet, get yourself
one of those "credit-card" CDR blanks, drop cd42.iso on it, and carry
it with you and find out, or on modern comput
Toni Mueller wrote:
...
> Leaving these aside, I just discovered that the i386 compatibility page
> does apparently not list _any_ current intel CPUs (eg. "Pentium D"),
> and the question about whether recent Xeons still classify as Xeon in
> this list has been raised.
>
> So, is it right to concl
Chris Cappuccio wrote:
Toni Mueller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Leaving these aside, I just discovered that the i386 compatibility page
does apparently not list _any_ current intel CPUs (eg. "Pentium D"),
and the question about whether recent Xeons still classify as Xeon in
this list has been ra
Toni Mueller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Leaving these aside, I just discovered that the i386 compatibility page
> does apparently not list _any_ current intel CPUs (eg. "Pentium D"),
> and the question about whether recent Xeons still classify as Xeon in
> this list has been raised.
They are al
Hi,
On Tue, 07.08.2007 at 16:22:08 +0200, Toni Mueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 27.06.2007 at 11:08:16 -0600, Theo de Raadt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > http://download.intel.com/design/processor/specupdt/31327914.pdf
> looks like intel pulled that paper. I'm unable to find it and
Hi,
On Wed, 27.06.2007 at 11:08:16 -0600, Theo de Raadt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://download.intel.com/design/processor/specupdt/31327914.pdf
looks like intel pulled that paper. I'm unable to find it and would
like to receive a private copy.
> An easier summary document for some people
On 12 Jul 2007 09:56:03 +0200, Artur Grabowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I think that's what he said. He wasn't contradicting me, he was just
amplifying my message. :)
In that case, color me *blush* :) Apologies Jacob.
-Tai
--
"This officer's men seem to follow him merely out of idle curiosi
bofh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> So, everyone picks up on the one thing that Linus fixed a while back,
> the TLB stuff. What about the rest of the bugs? The non-TLB crap?
> How is Art ignoring the relevance of the rest of the message? He just
> said, the TLB is just a minor issue, that the *O
On 7/11/07, Jacob Yocom-Piatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Artur Grabowski wrote:
> The TLB issues are just one small part of what Theo was talking about,
> not even the most important one.
>
> Count the number of bugs in the errata. Only a very few of them deal with
> the TLB and most of those are
On Wed, Jul 11, 2007 at 04:33:24PM -0700, John Mendenhall wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007, Jason McIntyre wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Jul 11, 2007 at 06:21:43PM -0500, Jacob Yocom-Piatt wrote:
> > >
> > > the term "rathered" comes to mind.
> > >
> >
> > what does it mean?
>
> "Dan Rather"-ed
>
so i sh
On Thu, 12 Jul 2007, Jason McIntyre wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2007 at 06:21:43PM -0500, Jacob Yocom-Piatt wrote:
> >
> > the term "rathered" comes to mind.
> >
>
> what does it mean?
"Dan Rather"-ed
JohnM
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On Wed, Jul 11, 2007 at 06:21:43PM -0500, Jacob Yocom-Piatt wrote:
>
> the term "rathered" comes to mind.
>
what does it mean?
jmc
Artur Grabowski wrote:
Christoph Egger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Linus contradicts Theo on Intel TLB issue:
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=559
No he doesn't. The article is confused and missed the whole point.
The TLB issues are just one small part of what Theo was talking about,
not
On 11 Jul 2007 10:59:12 +0200, Artur Grabowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Christoph Egger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Linus contradicts Theo on Intel TLB issue:
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=559
Count the number of bugs in the errata. Only a very few of them deal with
the TLB and most of tho
Christoph Egger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Linus contradicts Theo on Intel TLB issue:
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=559
No he doesn't. The article is confused and missed the whole point.
The TLB issues are just one small part of what Theo was talking about,
not even the most important one.
Linus contradicts Theo on Intel TLB issue:
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=559
Christoph
On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:34:05 +0100, Stuart Henderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Lead is still permitted for some equipment (notably network infrastructure),
>http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:32002L0095:EN:HT
ML
>annex 7:
>
>- lead in solders for servers, storage and sto
Thanks very much!
On Thu, Jun 28, 2007 at 10:24:01AM +0200, Johan P. Lindstrvm wrote:
> rough translation from swedish to english of:
...
On 2007/06/28 09:16, David W. Hess wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 10:26:45 +0200, RedShift <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> Reliability decay of low-lead materials may be economically
> >> desirable for some consumer product companies because it provides a
> >> mechanism to enforce planned obsolesc
On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 10:26:45 +0200, RedShift <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Reliability decay of low-lead materials may be economically
>> desirable for some consumer product companies because it provides a
>> mechanism to enforce planned obsolescence and replacement. Ironically,
>> this is the opp
http://www.theregister.com/2007/06/27/intel_core2_duo_bios_fix/
"Intel has released a BIOS patch for Windows machines running Core 2 and
Xeon 3000/5000 chips that addresses potential unpredictable system
behavior."
After reading the whole article, it sounds like Intel is attempting to
address som
On 6/28/07, Siju George <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
-- Forwarded message --
From: Theo de Raadt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Jun 27, 2007 10:38 PM
Subject: Intel Core 2
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Various developers are busy implimenting workarounds for serious bugs
in Intel&
-- Forwarded message --
From: Theo de Raadt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Jun 27, 2007 10:38 PM
Subject: Intel Core 2
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Various developers are busy implimenting workarounds for serious bugs
in Intel's Core 2 cpu.
These processors are buggy as hell,
rough translation from swedish to english of:
http://strombergson.com/kryptoblog/?p=311
Intel Advannced Management Technology - Rootkit's for everyone
intel just released a new x86 cpu, one new addition avaiding the news
is the AMT (Active Management Technology)
AMT is a technology intended
Constantine A. Murenin wrote:
On 27/06/07, Jacob Yocom-Piatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
you make more money if your widgets break because your new widget is
vastly improved. new packaging, same great defects!
The best thing about computer parts randomly failing will hit us in a
few years, due
Hi,
> On 6/27/07, Theo de Raadt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Various developers are busy implimenting workarounds for serious bugs
>> in Intel's Core 2 cpu.
>>
>> These processors are buggy as hell, and some of these bugs don't just
>> cause development/debugging problems, but will *ASSUREDLY* be
a new and
> > different way. Yet even if we do so, some of the errata listed are
> > unaffected by doing so.
> >
> > As I said before, hiding in this list are 20-30 bugs that cannot be
> > worked around by operating systems, and will be potentially
> > exploita
On 6/27/07, Theo de Raadt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Various developers are busy implimenting workarounds for serious bugs
in Intel's Core 2 cpu.
These processors are buggy as hell, and some of these bugs don't just
cause development/debugging problems, but will *ASSUREDLY* be
exploitable from u
ome of the errata listed are
> unaffected by doing so.
>
> As I said before, hiding in this list are 20-30 bugs that cannot be
> worked around by operating systems, and will be potentially
> exploitable. I would bet a lot of money that at least 2-3 of them
> are.
>
> For ins
On 6/27/07, Jacob Yocom-Piatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
when competition is involved companies develop products as quickly as
they can to keep up with the joneses. if your product(s) lack the bells
and whistles the competition has, joey bagoconsumer will not buy your
stuff b/c he's been successf
On 27/06/07, Jacob Yocom-Piatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
you make more money if your widgets break because your new widget is
vastly improved. new packaging, same great defects!
The best thing about computer parts randomly failing will hit us in a
few years, due to RoHS directives:
http://en.
Lontronics Mailinglist account wrote:
I am a little shocked there are so many serious issues with the dual core
processors.
when competition is involved companies develop products as quickly as
they can to keep up with the joneses. if your product(s) lack the bells
and whistles the compet
> Ok, rephrase the question (and I don't do laptop):
>
> What computer/processor (any arch, not limited to i386) has the power to
> do typical desktop stuff (browse the web, watch DVDs, edit photos) and
> at the same time has been great to port/develop for? Anything other
> than the desktop stuff
On Wed, Jun 27, 2007 at 12:45:10PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote:
> > On 6/27/07, Theo de Raadt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > At this time, I cannot recommend purchase of any machines based on the
> > > Intel Core 2 until these issues are dealt with (which I suspe
On Wed, Jun 27, 2007 at 04:25:08PM -0300, Leonardo Rodrigues wrote:
>
http://www.geek.com/images/geeknews/2006Jan/core_duo_errata__2006_01_21__full
.gif
> "Show stopper" "Potentially Catastrophic" Those are some warm and fuzzy
> words =)
>
> Geez, that's a whole lot of bugs... I never imagined that
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Thus "Leonardo Rodrigues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spake on Wed, 27 Jun
2007 16:25:08 -0300:
> http://www.geek.com/images/geeknews/2006Jan/core_duo_errata__2006_01_21__full.gif
> "Show stopper" "Potentially Catastrophic" Those are some warm and
> fuzzy wor
On Wednesday 27 June 2007 13:08:16 Theo de Raadt wrote:
> Various developers are busy implimenting workarounds for serious bugs
> in Intel's Core 2 cpu.
>
> These processors are buggy as hell, and some of these bugs don't just
> cause development/debugging problems, but will *ASSUREDLY* be
> exploi
On 27/06/07, Daniel Horecki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Anyway, what about Transmeta?
Check the news:
On February 7, 2007, Transmeta closed its engineering services
departments and terminated 75 employees. The company announced that it
would no longer develop and sell hardware, but would focu
2007/6/27, Leonardo Rodrigues <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Theo says that AMD is getting less helpful towards open source OS.
Well, that's great. We only have 2 big proc developers for i386, and
now those two are turning out crap products with diminishing
documentation =(
I wonder where this road will l
On 6/27/07, Leonardo Rodrigues <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Theo says that AMD is getting less helpful towards open source OS.
Well, that's great. We only have 2 big proc developers for i386, and
now those two are turning out crap products with diminishing
documentation =(
I wonder where this road
http://www.geek.com/images/geeknews/2006Jan/core_duo_errata__2006_01_21__full.gif
"Show stopper" "Potentially Catastrophic" Those are some warm and fuzzy words =)
Geez, that's a whole lot of bugs... I never imagined that processors
could be so "bugged".
Theo says that AMD is getting less helpful
> As is typical, BIOS vendors will be very late providing workarounds /
> fixes for these processors bugs. Some bugs are unfixable and cannot
> be worked around. Intel only provides detailed fixes to BIOS vendors
> and large operating system groups. Open Source operating systems are
> largely le
> On 6/27/07, Theo de Raadt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > At this time, I cannot recommend purchase of any machines based on the
> > Intel Core 2 until these issues are dealt with (which I suspect will
> > take more than a year). Intel must be come more transparent.
&
On 6/27/07, Theo de Raadt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
At this time, I cannot recommend purchase of any machines based on the
Intel Core 2 until these issues are dealt with (which I suspect will
take more than a year). Intel must be come more transparent.
(While here, I would like to sa
or instance, AI90 is exploitable on some operating systems (but not
OpenBSD running default binaries).
At this time, I cannot recommend purchase of any machines based on the
Intel Core 2 until these issues are dealt with (which I suspect will
take more than a year). Intel must be come more transpa
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