Re: Get developers some big machines to support more RAM

2007-10-08 Thread Tobias Weingartner
Timo Schoeler wrote: > > AMD64 or EM64T machine with 8GB+ of RAM (or $1700 to buy one) needed in > Edmonton. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Having the hardware will help some. I've got access to some larger hardware here at the university, and have sent out the large mem diff for amd64 machines. I

Re: Get developers some big machines to support more RAM

2007-10-08 Thread Tom Cosgrove
>>> Christoph Egger 8-Oct-07 12:54 >>> > > in legacy mode, there is i386 that support 4KB and 4MB page-sizes and > use 2-level pagetables. > in legacy mode, there is i386 PAE that support 4KB and 2MB page-sizes > and use 3-level pagetables. > > in long mode, there is amd64 that support 4KB, 2MB an

Re: Get developers some big machines to support more RAM

2007-10-08 Thread Daniel Ouellet
OK guys, Instead of fighting about using, or not using it, or i386 being obsolete, PAE not being good, or slow, etc. I for one would be very happy if we can support more then 4GB of memory on it and I would be more then happy to test it as I now have machine that actually have more then 4GB

Re: Get developers some big machines to support more RAM

2007-10-08 Thread Christoph Egger
On Monday 08 October 2007 12:02:22 mickey wrote: > On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 11:53:50AM +0200, Tonnerre LOMBARD wrote: > > Salut, > > > > On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 09:44:48AM +, mickey wrote: > > > > > PAE is slow and has hairy paws. I am glad that we have real amd64 > > > > > machines now so we do

Re: Get developers some big machines to support more RAM

2007-10-08 Thread mickey
On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 12:13:55PM +0200, Tonnerre LOMBARD wrote: > Salut, > > On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 10:02:22AM +, mickey wrote: > > or what you think loading 36bit physaddr is slower than loading 48bits? > > I think that loading 48-bits in one step is faster than loading 36-bit > in two. I

Re: Get developers some big machines to support more RAM

2007-10-08 Thread Tonnerre LOMBARD
Salut, On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 11:15:27AM +, mickey wrote: > > I think that loading 48-bits in one step is faster than loading 36-bit > > in two. It is also a matter of experience that amd64 memory access is > > way faster than i386 with PAE. > > why do you think that tlb loader cannot load 64

Re: Get developers some big machines to support more RAM

2007-10-08 Thread nicodache
You don't get the problem, at least if you run a decent operating system, 'cause I know some people having problem using more than 4 Gig of ram, even with AMD64 or EM64T hardware, and (hum) Vista. Just to say the arch does not make everything, a good software is also needed. plus, X86_64 gets rid

Re: Get developers some big machines to support more RAM

2007-10-08 Thread Tonnerre LOMBARD
Salut, On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 10:02:22AM +, mickey wrote: > or what you think loading 36bit physaddr is slower than loading 48bits? I think that loading 48-bits in one step is faster than loading 36-bit in two. It is also a matter of experience that amd64 memory access is way faster than i38

Re: Get developers some big machines to support more RAM

2007-10-08 Thread mickey
On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 11:53:50AM +0200, Tonnerre LOMBARD wrote: > Salut, > > On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 09:44:48AM +, mickey wrote: > > > > PAE is slow and has hairy paws. I am glad that we have real amd64 > > > > machines > > > > now so we don't need it anymore. > > > > besides that what do

Re: Get developers some big machines to support more RAM

2007-10-08 Thread mickey
On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 09:43:25AM +, mickey wrote: > On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 11:23:12AM +0200, Tonnerre LOMBARD wrote: > > Salut, > > > > On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 09:14:05AM +, mickey wrote: > > > > myself in need to build some big, phat machines (8GByte, or even > > > > 16GByte RAM) for a

Re: Get developers some big machines to support more RAM

2007-10-08 Thread Tonnerre LOMBARD
Salut, On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 09:44:48AM +, mickey wrote: > > > PAE is slow and has hairy paws. I am glad that we have real amd64 machines > > > now so we don't need it anymore. > > besides that what do you think amd64 runs? (: > it uses the same pae as i386. and it is not any faster. > learn

Re: Get developers some big machines to support more RAM

2007-10-08 Thread mickey
On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 11:23:12AM +0200, Tonnerre LOMBARD wrote: > Salut, > > On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 09:14:05AM +, mickey wrote: > > > myself in need to build some big, phat machines (8GByte, or even > > > 16GByte RAM) for a customer that run OpenBSD *and* having seen (again) a > > > discuss

Re: Get developers some big machines to support more RAM

2007-10-08 Thread Tonnerre LOMBARD
Salut, On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 09:14:05AM +, mickey wrote: > > myself in need to build some big, phat machines (8GByte, or even > > 16GByte RAM) for a customer that run OpenBSD *and* having seen (again) a > > discussion on 'how much RAM is supported' [0] I decided to > > PAE support has alread

Re: Get developers some big machines to support more RAM

2007-10-08 Thread mickey
On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 10:59:32AM +0200, Timo Schoeler wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > Hi list, > > myself in need to build some big, phat machines (8GByte, or even > 16GByte RAM) for a customer that run OpenBSD *and* having seen (again) a > discussion on 'how much

Get developers some big machines to support more RAM

2007-10-08 Thread Timo Schoeler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi list, myself in need to build some big, phat machines (8GByte, or even 16GByte RAM) for a customer that run OpenBSD *and* having seen (again) a discussion on 'how much RAM is supported' [0] I decided to i) write this email to see if there's more