Re: [marxmail] M. Gessen: "If Ukraine Falls, All of Europe Could Fall"

2025-02-26 Thread workerpoet via groups.io
Agreed, I don't even think Putin is interested in the Baltic states much less taking over Europe. This is just scare-mongering. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#35486): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/35486 Mute This T

Re: [marxmail] M. Gessen: "If Ukraine Falls, All of Europe Could Fall"

2025-02-25 Thread sartesian via groups.io
On Tue, Feb 25, 2025 at 12:47 AM, Mark Baugher wrote: > > So what? Again, even a liberal bourgeois ideologue may have knowledge or > information of value. Those types get posted to this list on a regular > basis. They might, in theory.  Thi s one doesn't, in practice > > So, if you consider Ge

Re: [marxmail] M. Gessen: "If Ukraine Falls, All of Europe Could Fall"

2025-02-24 Thread Mark Baugher
> On Feb 24, 2025, at 21:04, sartesian via groups.io > wrote: > > My opinion is Gessen is a liberal bourgeois ideologue, but that too is based > on a smalI sample size since I stopped reading Gessen's work after reading > the wistful piece on the virtues of Yeltsin. So what? Again, even a

Re: [marxmail] M. Gessen: "If Ukraine Falls, All of Europe Could Fall"

2025-02-24 Thread sartesian via groups.io
On Mon, Feb 24, 2025 at 11:43 PM, Charles Keener wrote: > > Masha has written a good deal about Ukraine. To dismiss them based on an > excerpt from a single interview may not be just. It's probably my bad for > sharing > that small clip. > > WTF?  First the moderator says analyze the content,

Re: [marxmail] M. Gessen: "If Ukraine Falls, All of Europe Could Fall"

2025-02-24 Thread David Walters via groups.io
My general belief, as someone who wants Ukraine to expel the annexing Russian imperialists, is that the talk about "Europe" being threatened is so much BS with no substantial, at least literary, evidence that this is Putin's goal. Russia is incapable of launching a war against Europe even if the

Re: [marxmail] M. Gessen: "If Ukraine Falls, All of Europe Could Fall"

2025-02-24 Thread Charles Keener via groups.io
Masha has written a good deal about Ukraine. To dismiss them based on anexcerpt from a single interview may not be just. It's probably my bad for sharingthat small clip. Charles -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#35428):

Re: [marxmail] M. Gessen: "If Ukraine Falls, All of Europe Could Fall"

2025-02-24 Thread sartesian via groups.io
Analyze the content? I'm all for that, although I wonder why MB didn't bother to do that.  Like that part around 345 in the interview when Gessen refers to Zelensky as the only politician in Europe with the courage to stand-up for the democratic values of Europe.  Or that part where she blames t

Re: [marxmail] M. Gessen: "If Ukraine Falls, All of Europe Could Fall"

2025-02-24 Thread Charles Keener via groups.io
Masha is a pretty complex and thoughtful person who has faced pushback for their views on Ukraine and on Palestine and as a non-binary person. They have been blacklisted and even sentenced to prison in absentia by Putin. I don't think they can fairly be dismissed in a somewhat one-dimensional

Re: [marxmail] M. Gessen: "If Ukraine Falls, All of Europe Could Fall"

2025-02-24 Thread Mark Baugher
> On Feb 24, 2025, at 18:02, sartesian via groups.io > wrote: > > Citing Gessen, a not-so-secret nostalgic for the times of Boris Yeltsin > (https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/boris-yeltsin-quietly-challenges-putin) > is a very poor choice. > And the Europe she wants to preserve is c

Re: [marxmail] M. Gessen: "If Ukraine Falls, All of Europe Could Fall"

2025-02-24 Thread sartesian via groups.io
Comrades, Citing Gessen, a not-so-secret nostalgic for the times of Boris Yeltsin ( https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/boris-yeltsin-quietly-challenges-putin ) is a very poor choice. And the Europe she wants to preserve is capitalist Europe. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You