Re: [marxmail] Warning to America: Hungarian Green on Authoritarianism

2024-03-13 Thread John Edmundson
Michael wrote: "If Trump is elected Netanyahu will ethnically cleanse Gaza, bribe the egyptians to accept as many Gazans who make it over the border --- squeeze the West Bank even more --- and unite with the Sunni Arabs against Iran (in fact might even go to war with Iran)" Under Biden, Netanyahu

Re: [marxmail] Palestinian Feminist Collective: "Pramila Patten's UN Report on Oct. 7 sexual violence"

2024-03-13 Thread John Edmundson
Given the history of men in war, I would be extremely surprised if it transpired that there had been no sexual offences committed in the attacks of Oct 7, 2023. The allegation is of systematic use of sexual violence as a strategy - remember all the claims about these Hamas 'animals' being provided

Re: [marxmail] Oppenheimer< victory at the Academy Awards - World Socialist Web Site

2024-03-13 Thread Michael Meeropol
I do think that the ruling class has NO INTEREST in fascism because the working class is so weak --- but Trump is "SUI GENERIS" --- he is an individual grifter who sees the Presidency is the ultimate grift --- ON THE WAY, however, he will empower the American "ORBANITES" who think they'll protect w

[marxmail] S.E.I.U. will spend $200 million for Biden and Democrats

2024-03-13 Thread Charlie
S.E.I.U. Plans $200 Million Effort to Aid Biden and Democrats ... up from $150 million in the 2020 election cycle The S.E.I.U. said it hoped to reach six million voters of color in the battleground states of Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. (And

Re: [marxmail] Warning to America: Hungarian Green on Authoritarianism

2024-03-13 Thread Michael Meeropol
Dennis, the world is ridiculously complicated --- think of the Trotskyists who witnessed the MURDER of Trotsky, the famine in Ukraine, the betrayal of Poland (Nazi-Soviet Pact) etc. YET they still supported the defense of the Soviet Union when Hitler invaded. You know who's a great supporter of Pu

[marxmail] Petition: No to the Criminal Complaint against Pro‐Palestine Activist Michael Pröbsting!

2024-03-13 Thread RKOB
*Petition: No to the Criminal Complaint against Pro‐Palestine Activist Michael Pröbsting!* https://www.thecommunists.net/rcit/petition-no-to-criminal-complaint-against-pro-palestine-activist-michael-proebsting -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group

[marxmail] Palestinians Describe Beatings, Other Alleged Abuses in Israeli Detention - The Wall Street Journal.

2024-03-13 Thread Steven L. Robinson
(Behind a pay wall, url at the end of the article. SR) Palestinians Describe Beatings, Stress Positions, Other Alleged Abuses in Israeli Detention Former Gazan detainees said they were physically assaulted, forced to kneel for up to 20 hours a day, sometimes with hands tied above their

Re: [marxmail] Oppenheimer< victory at the Academy Awards - World Socialist Web Site

2024-03-13 Thread Marv Gandall
I may be missing your point about Mussolini, Hari. You surely know that independent unions and strikes were also banned in fascist Italy and that the government-controlled unions were part of a corporatist industrial regime in which the state managed relations between workers and capitalists. It

Re: [marxmail] Warning to America: Hungarian Green on Authoritarianism

2024-03-13 Thread Dennis Brasky
Orban is obviously a reactionary dog, but how many civilians has he murdered and how many are close to suffering from artificially-induced famine, polluted drinking water, and lack of medicines? He has nothing over Biden's "great friend" the murderer of Gaza, Netanyahu. But liberal Democrats want t

Re: [marxmail] "Games of Khrushchev and the boys"

2024-03-13 Thread Marv Gandall
Thanks for the thought and effort you've put into this, Hari. I'll also take some time to go through it carefully and to respond. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#29423): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/29423 Mute This

Re: [marxmail] Oppenheimer< victory at the Academy Awards - World Socialist Web Site

2024-03-13 Thread hari kumar
Marv: Mussolini did *not* have a militant movement to crush - the Turin workers movement was already crushed. The other two fascists are in a different category in regards to that. Of course it is more likely that a rising working class movement will induce such a right-wing fascist turn, but i

[marxmail] Warning to America: Hungarian Green on Authoritarianism

2024-03-13 Thread Charles Keener via groups.io
This past weekend, Republican front-runner Donald Trump hosted Hungary’s authoritarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán at Mar-a-Lago and openly praised Orbán’s autocratic style of rule. To talk more about Orbán and Trump, we spoke Tuesday with Gábor Scheiring, a former Green Party member of parliam

Re: [marxmail] "Games of Khrushchev and the boys"

2024-03-13 Thread hari kumar
Hello Marv: I have been looking over what I believe are some of the relevant data to this discussion. I did not want any appearance left, that I am in agreement with where the discussion drifted to, after the initial comments. I have not finished, in especial I should add - I have not gone over

Re: [marxmail] Oppenheimer< victory at the Academy Awards - World Socialist Web Site

2024-03-13 Thread Marv Gandall
I understood from Charlie's intervention in the brief exchange between me and Michael that he inclined towards Michael's view, widely held on the left, that Trump was a fascist who would work outside of rather than within the system of bourgeois democracy to attack the working class. Charlie pro

Re: [marxmail] Oppenheimer< victory at the Academy Awards - World Socialist Web Site

2024-03-13 Thread Charlie
Marv thinks I believe "the Trumpists will launch a full-fledged assault to replace the existing Constitution with  a one party state which will outlaw the Democrats and the unions and other mass organizations and eliminate freedom of assembly and the right to vote - essential features of fascism

Re: [marxmail] A Compassionate Spy

2024-03-13 Thread Marv Gandall
Fascinating stuff, Dave and Michael! One of the reasons I keep sticking with Marxmail when doubt sometimes creeps in...  :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#29417): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/29417 Mute This Topic

[marxmail] Trump Mentions Cutting Entitlements, and Biden Pounces - The New York Times

2024-03-13 Thread Marv Gandall
The Republicans and their corporate sponsors desperately want to slash social programs and the Democrats have in the past consented to more limited cuts but both parties have always balked at this “third rail” of US politics. Trump even went so far last week as to suggest he was against cutting

Re: [marxmail] Oppenheimer< victory at the Academy Awards - World Socialist Web Site

2024-03-13 Thread Dave Lindorff
Yes but with a significant difference. Ted was not a Communist Party member when he did his spying. Kllaus Fuchs in contrast was not just a member of the German CP as a young student, In Kiel, Germany, he was a street fighter for the Party which engaged in pitched battles with both Socialist Party

Re: [marxmail] Oppenheimer< victory at the Academy Awards - World Socialist Web Site

2024-03-13 Thread Marv Gandall
[Edited Message Follows] [Reason: Editorial and spelling changes.] On Wed, Mar 13, 2024 at 09:20 AM, Charlie (predictably) wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2024 at 12:21 AM, Marv Gandall wrote: > >> I doubt they will attempt to destroy the existing constitutional >> structures. > > This time Marv gi

Re: [marxmail] Oppenheimer< victory at the Academy Awards - World Socialist Web Site

2024-03-13 Thread Marv Gandall
On Wed, Mar 13, 2024 at 09:20 AM, Charlie (predictably) wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2024 at 12:21 AM, Marv Gandall wrote: > >> I doubt they will attempt to destroy the existing constitutional >> structures. > > This time Marv gives us well less than a half-truth. Charlie quotes well less than h

Re: [marxmail] Oppenheimer< victory at the Academy Awards - World Socialist Web Site

2024-03-13 Thread Michael Meeropol
Dave, let's not forget Fuchs made the same decision as TED ... On Wed, Mar 13, 2024 at 12:39 PM Dave Lindorff wrote: > My view is that Oppenheimer should have done what Ted Hall did, or used > his considerable clout to convince Roosevelt to bring America's wartime, > the Soviet Union in on the b

Re: [marxmail] A Compassionate Spy

2024-03-13 Thread Dave Lindorff
It's all pretty amazing, and a disgusting history of prosecutorial abuse. Ethel was added to the case in a clear example of extortion. Hoover may have ultimately oposed her execution because creating two young orphans by killing her too would be a "bad look" for the Bureau, but his intention was t

Re: [marxmail] Oppenheimer< victory at the Academy Awards - World Socialist Web Site

2024-03-13 Thread Dave Lindorff
My view is that Oppenheimer should have done what Ted Hall did, or used his considerable clout to convince Roosevelt to bring America's wartime, the Soviet Union in on the bomb project, or at least to alert them to what it was doing in secret. The film presents Oppenheimer as a tragic figure fighti

Re: [marxmail] A Compassionate Spy

2024-03-13 Thread Michael Meeropol
Dear Dave --- and all --- The evidence is now clear that the way the FBI investigation of my father unfolded was that they knew of a spy code named "Liberal" who had co-conspirators (forget their code names) and a wife named "Ethel" who had recruited the wife's brother and sister-in-law === code na

Re: [marxmail] Oppenheimer< victory at the Academy Awards - World Socialist Web Site

2024-03-13 Thread Bobby MacVeety
Are we as Marxists defending the sacred document? Could a constitutional convention be a revolutionary moment?On Mar 13, 2024, at 9:20 AM, Charlie wrote:On Wed, Mar 13, 2024 at 12:21 AM, Marv Gandall wrote: I doubt they will attempt to destroy the existing constitutional structures. In fact, they

Re: [marxmail] Oppenheimer< victory at the Academy Awards - World Socialist Web Site

2024-03-13 Thread Charlie
On Wed, Mar 13, 2024 at 12:21 AM, Marv Gandall wrote: > > I doubt they will attempt to destroy the existing constitutional > structures. In fact, they claim to be the best defenders of The > Constitution and their base takes them at their word. This time Marv gives us well less than a half-truth

Re: [marxmail] Oppenheimer< victory at the Academy Awards - World Socialist Web Site

2024-03-13 Thread Marv Gandall
On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 04:57 PM, Mark Baugher wrote: > > Are they the same people who complained that the makers of "Oppenheimer" > completely ignored the Navajo, the first victims of the US atomic bomb? I wouldn't know about that, but here is Walsh's review of Martin Scorsese’s Killers of the

Re: [marxmail] A Compassionate Spy

2024-03-13 Thread Dave Lindorff
Michael, Joan and Ted had no hard knowledge that the Air Force had blocked Hoover from pursuing a case against Ted. One reason a doubt what would surely be a painfully ironic theory that the Air Force's blocking of an arrest of Ted Hall may have been the reason for the false charge of atomic spyin

Re: [marxmail] A Compassionate Spy

2024-03-13 Thread Michael Meeropol
Am SO GLAD Dave weighed in on the site. As an avid reader of his book and viewer of his film --- and a "somewhat interested party" (that's a somewhat weak attempt at gallows humor) given that my parents were killed for what Fuchs and Ted did I was privileged to meet Ted and Joan (and their daughte

Re: [marxmail] Palestinian Feminist Collective: "Pramila Patten's UN Report on Oct. 7 sexual violence"

2024-03-13 Thread Mark Baugher
https://al-shabaka.org/briefs/israels-disinformation-apparatus-a-key-weapon-in-its-arsenal/ "Moreover, Israel’s information warfare tactics, deeply ingrained in the nation’s military and political ethos, serve as a stark reminder of the power of narrative control in facilitating mass atrocities.

Re: [marxmail] Palestinian Feminist Collective: "Pramila Patten's UN Report on Oct. 7 sexual violence"

2024-03-13 Thread Mark Baugher
Here's the algorithm: 1. Keep talking about the events on one day, 10/7, no matter how many tens of thousands of children and families are murdered by US munitions in its aftermath - analyze 10/7 in detail and keep in in the news. 2. Say that antisemitism is on the rise in the US and around the

Re: [marxmail] A Compassionate Spy

2024-03-13 Thread Dave Lindorff
Just for the record, I, a member of this list, am the producer of that film. I stumbled on Ted Hall's story in 2017 when I was writing a commentary on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, as I've done on most of those grim anniversaries for decades. Hoping come up with a new angle, I googled "Soviet atomic spi

[marxmail] How racists twisted language of 'affirmative action; to disembowel it.

2024-03-13 Thread hari kumar
This is long, but it very articulately outlines how 'affirmative action' has been disembowelled for those whom it was originally intended for, into 'diversity'. A very good history by Nikole Hannah-Jones - who led the 1619 project. She gives an excellent short summary in the *first* link below -

[marxmail] Gender wage gap persists in 2023

2024-03-13 Thread Dennis Brasky
March 12 is Equal Pay Day. The date represents how far into 2024 women would have to work on top of the hours they worked in 2023 simply to match what men were paid in 2023. https://www.epi.org/blog/gender-wage-gap-persists-in-2023-women-are-paid-roughly-22-less-than-men-on-average/ -=-=-=-=-=-=

Re: [marxmail] Palestinian Feminist Collective: "Pramila Patten's UN Report on Oct. 7 sexual violence"

2024-03-13 Thread John Reimann
regarding Mandoweiss's article: This is a pathetic example of journalism (if we want to call it that). If anybody is serious, they will read the actual report. Here are a few quotes. In my opinion they show certain things. Yes, it's true that a "legal" definition of proof is not really present. How