Re: [mailop] [E] Yahoo 'temporarily' deferred

2024-08-18 Thread Kasper Peeters via mailop
> Have you set up a test account at Yahoo, sent yourself a message, clicked > Junk, and seen that you got the > report? That test message eventually made its way out of the queue (the "temporary" aspect of the 421 error I guess) and then went straight to spam in my Yahoo account... So Yahoo d

Re: [mailop] [E] Yahoo 'temporarily' deferred

2024-08-18 Thread Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop
Dnia 18.08.2024 o godz. 11:28:50 Kasper Peeters via mailop pisze: > That test message eventually made its way out of the queue (the > "temporary" aspect of the 421 error I guess) and then went straight to > spam in my Yahoo account... So Yahoo decides by itself that it is spam > and then uses that

Re: [mailop] [E] Yahoo 'temporarily' deferred

2024-08-18 Thread Richard Clayton via mailop
In message <20240818152433.ga27...@rafa.eu.org>, Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop writes >Yeah, that's the typical "dead loop" problem of mistaken spam >classifications. Your mail gets mistakenly classified as spam, so the >recipient doesn't see it in inbox and doesn't know the mail has arrived >(most us

Re: [mailop] [E] Yahoo 'temporarily' deferred

2024-08-18 Thread Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop
Dnia 18.08.2024 o godz. 17:59:49 Richard Clayton via mailop pisze: > Note that this behaviour is also the correct way to handle actual spam > from spammers ... they have never sent anything that people wanted, yet > their mail is not so awful to be rejected out of hand so it goes into > the spam fo

Re: [mailop] [E] Yahoo 'temporarily' deferred

2024-08-18 Thread Kasper Peeters via mailop
> Note that this behaviour is also the correct way to handle actual spam > from spammers ... It may be the correct way to handle actual spam from spammers. It is arguably not the correct way to handle non-spam email from non-spammers. > Someone well respected round here advises "send email peopl

Re: [mailop] [E] Yahoo 'temporarily' deferred

2024-08-18 Thread Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop
Dnia 18.08.2024 o godz. 20:21:08 Kasper Peeters via mailop pisze: > > Someone well respected round here advises "send email people have asked > > for" ... those people find that in the spam folder > > There is one class of emails to which this logic does not apply: real > humans sending email to o

Re: [mailop] [E] Yahoo 'temporarily' deferred

2024-08-18 Thread Richard Clayton via mailop
In message <20240818173004.ga27...@rafa.eu.org>, Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop writes >> and thereafter (at >> Yahoo anyway) further email from that sending address will go in the >> inbox no matter what the machine learning system thinks overall. > >I had that exact problem with Google once. My mess

Re: [mailop] [E] Yahoo 'temporarily' deferred

2024-08-18 Thread Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop
Dnia 19.08.2024 o godz. 01:15:04 Richard Clayton via mailop pisze: > perhaps Google and Yahoo don't work in exactly the same way ? > > also you should note that although anecdotes are interesting, what MBPs > do does change over time My message was not about how Google and Yahoo work, and what MB