[mailop] heads-up: Exchange Online: validation issues with Let's Encrypt DANE

2024-06-10 Thread Kirill Miazine via mailop
Although there are better alternatives to 2 1 1 with Let's Encrypt, some still use 2 1 1, and it seems Exchange Online is not happy when there are 14 TLSA records (why 14? because https://letsencrypt.org/certificates/)... A good reason to not use 2 1 1 ; TLSA - LE certs published at https

Re: [mailop] heads-up: Exchange Online: validation issues with Let's Encrypt DANE

2024-06-10 Thread Kirill Miazine via mailop
Apparently exchange online would provide an error to the user like this: dnssec-invalid: Destination domain returned invalid DNSSEC records https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/exchange/troubleshoot/email-delivery/ndr/non-delivery-reports-in-exchange-online explains what this really means: The d

Re: [mailop] heads-up: Exchange Online: validation issues with Let's Encrypt DANE

2024-06-10 Thread Viktor Dukhovni via mailop
On Mon, Jun 10, 2024 at 12:06:26PM +0200, Kirill Miazine via mailop wrote: > Although there are better alternatives to 2 1 1 with Let's Encrypt, some > still use 2 1 1, and it seems Exchange Online is not happy when there are 14 > TLSA records (why 14? because https://letsencrypt.org/certificates/

Re: [mailop] heads-up: Exchange Online: validation issues with Let's Encrypt DANE

2024-06-10 Thread Tobias Fiebig via mailop
Moin, are you sure the RRset is not inadvertently bogus? Can slip by rather easily for a set of reasons; Old RRSIGs vor example after one of the entries got updated? If not; Out of personal curiosity; can you test where 'the boundary' is to trigger the error? should be doable with like 4 test doma

Re: [mailop] heads-up: Exchange Online: validation issues with Let's Encrypt DANE

2024-06-10 Thread Viktor Dukhovni via mailop
On Mon, Jun 10, 2024 at 10:06:26PM +1000, Viktor Dukhovni via mailop wrote: > > Although there are better alternatives to 2 1 1 with Let's Encrypt, some > > still use 2 1 1, and it seems Exchange Online is not happy when there are 14 > > TLSA records (why 14? because https://letsencrypt.org/certif

Re: [mailop] heads-up: Exchange Online: validation issues with Let's Encrypt DANE

2024-06-10 Thread Kirill Miazine via mailop
• Viktor Dukhovni via mailop [2024-06-10 22:06]: > On Mon, Jun 10, 2024 at 12:06:26PM +0200, Kirill Miazine via mailop wrote: > > > Although there are better alternatives to 2 1 1 with Let's Encrypt, some > > still use 2 1 1, and it seems Exchange Online is not happy when there are 14 > > TLSA rec

Re: [mailop] heads-up: Exchange Online: validation issues with Let's Encrypt DANE

2024-06-10 Thread Kirill Miazine via mailop
• Tobias Fiebig via mailop [2024-06-10 14:09]: > Moin, > are you sure the RRset is not inadvertently bogus? Can slip by rather > easily for a set of reasons; Old RRSIGs vor example after one of the > entries got updated? no. LE TLSA RRs are generated automatically based on URL lists, so there are

[mailop] BIMI and ARC

2024-06-10 Thread Andrew C Aitchison via mailop
[ Also sent to draft-brand-indicators-for-message-identificat...@ietf.org ] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-brand-indicators-for-message-identification/05/ 7.8. Handle Existing BIMI-Location and BIMI-Indicator Headers says: If the original email message had a DKIM signature, it has a

Re: [mailop] heads-up: Exchange Online: validation issues with Let's Encrypt DANE

2024-06-10 Thread L. Mark Stone via mailop
Apologies for jumping in, and it may not be relevant, but our experience has been that, unlike Google and others, Microsoft will DNSSEC fail an email if the sending server's hostname does not have its subdomain DNSSEC signed and keys provisioned in public DNS -- even when the envelope and sender