Re: [mailop] Cloudflare not taking actions agains spamers?

2016-09-05 Thread Dave Warren
On Mon, Sep 5, 2016, at 06:17, Benoit Panizzon wrote: <...> > Unfortunately that redirector service is run by cloudflare. So the > complaints reach the cloudflare abuse desk. And their usual reply is: > > We accept the following kinds of reports: > > Copyright infringement & DMCA violations >

Re: [mailop] Cloudflare not taking actions agains spamers?

2016-09-05 Thread Aaron C. de Bruyn
On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Dave Warren wrote: > They > can yell and scream all they want about not being a host, but they also > advertise that "CloudFlare will serve your website's static pages from > our cache" when your origin server isn't reachable, that falls into my > definition of bei

Re: [mailop] Cloudflare not taking actions agains spamers?

2016-09-05 Thread Dave Warren
On Mon, Sep 5, 2016, at 21:44, Aaron C. de Bruyn wrote: > On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Dave Warren > wrote: >> They >> can yell and scream all they want about not being a host, but >> they also >> advertise that "CloudFlare will serve your website's static >> pages from >> our cache" when

Re: [mailop] Cloudflare not taking actions agains spamers?

2016-09-05 Thread Aaron C. de Bruyn
You're the one who said "CloudFlare will serve your website's static pages from our cache...that falls into my definition of being a host, even if it's only short term". So will your browser. /nitpick Anyways, I thought there was a court case back in mid-90s where Compuserve or Prodigy or someth

Re: [mailop] Cloudflare not taking actions agains spamers?

2016-09-05 Thread James Pole
On 6/09/2016, at 4:44 PM, Aaron C. de Bruyn wrote: > >> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Dave Warren wrote: >> They >> can yell and scream all they want about not being a host, but they also >> advertise that "CloudFlare will serve your website's static pages from >> our cache" when your origin s

Re: [mailop] Cloudflare not taking actions agains spamers?

2016-09-05 Thread Dave Warren
On Mon, Sep 5, 2016, at 22:04, Aaron C. de Bruyn wrote: > You're the one who said "CloudFlare will serve your website's static > pages from our cache...that falls into my definition of being a host, > even if it's only short term". So will your browser. /nitpick There is a difference: CloudFlare

Re: [mailop] Cloudflare not taking actions agains spamers?

2016-09-05 Thread Jay Hennigan
On 9/5/16 10:04 PM, Aaron C. de Bruyn wrote: You're the one who said "CloudFlare will serve your website's static pages from our cache...that falls into my definition of being a host, even if it's only short term". So will your browser. /nitpick Not unless his browser cache is accessible to t

Re: [mailop] Cloudflare not taking actions agains spamers?

2016-09-05 Thread Benoit Panizzon
Hi I also think a big difference is: Your Browser's cache does not hide the origin of the content. Cloudflare does. To prevent DDOS Attacks to the source of the content, that is their business. Bug this also hides where spamers host their stuff and provides a safe haven to them. At least they co

Re: [mailop] Cloudflare not taking actions agains spamers?

2016-09-05 Thread Dave Warren
On Mon, Sep 5, 2016, at 23:41, Benoit Panizzon wrote: > At least they could forward all spam complaints they receive to the > hoster of the origin on the content. But in my observation, they don't > do that. Truthfully, forwarding complaints is a bit of a messy business as this could easily forwar