Re: [mailop] Help. Why are my emails being marked as spam by google?

2015-03-17 Thread David Hofstee
And that is why the big inbox providers should not allow email over IPv6 without DMARC. Then domain reputation can be used reliably. David Hofstee Deliverability Management MailPlus B.V. Netherlands (ESP) -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: mailop [mailto:mailop-boun...@mailop.org] Namens Ro

Re: [mailop] Help. Why are my emails being marked as spam by google?

2015-03-17 Thread Mark Foster
On 17/03/2015 7:28 p.m., Franck Martin wrote: On Mar 16, 2015, at 9:17 PM, Steve Holdoway > wrote: On Tue, 2015-03-17 at 03:28 +, John Levine wrote: Are you saying your hosting provider gave your a /128 instead of a /64 ? Yes You need a better hosting

Re: [mailop] Help. Why are my emails being marked as spam by google?

2015-03-17 Thread Ian Eiloart
> On 17 Mar 2015, at 08:20, David Hofstee wrote: > > And that is why the big inbox providers should not allow email over IPv6 > without DMARC. Then domain reputation can be used reliably. Um, how does the number of available domains compare with the number of available IP addresses? Perhaps

Re: [mailop] Help. Why are my emails being marked as spam by google?

2015-03-17 Thread David Hofstee
> Um, how does the number of available domains compare with the number of > available IP addresses? Pretty good actually, comparable to IPv4. And they are harder to get, I think (there is always a money trail): https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-total-number-of-domains-in-the-world-gTLDs-+-ccTLD

Re: [mailop] Help. Why are my emails being marked as spam by google?

2015-03-17 Thread John Levine
In article <20150317032809.33018.qm...@ary.lan> you write: >>> Are you saying your hosting provider gave your a /128 instead of a /64 ? >> >>Yes > >You need a better hosting provider. Have you asked your provider why you can't get a /64? It doesn't seem likely you can change their mind, but the r

Re: [mailop] Help. Why are my emails being marked as spam by google?

2015-03-17 Thread Ian Eiloart
> On 17 Mar 2015, at 12:13, David Hofstee wrote: > >> Um, how does the number of available domains compare with the number of >> available IP addresses? > > Pretty good actually, comparable to IPv4. And they are harder to get, I think > (there is always a money trail): > https://www.quora.co

Re: [mailop] Help. Why are my emails being marked as spam by google?

2015-03-17 Thread David Hofstee
DMARC does not validate on domain names that are not registered... So I'm not sure that is a problem. Subdomains are solved for DMARC too (it will default to the organizational domain name if no subdomain-DMARC setting is present; max. of 2 queries). Recent domain registration date is used alr

Re: [mailop] Help. Why are my emails being marked as spam by google?

2015-03-17 Thread Rob McEwen
On 3/17/2015 9:22 AM, Ian Eiloart wrote: That refers to registered domains, I think. What I had in mind was the size of the name space. It’s vastly larger, surely? IPv6 is 2^128 (3.4x10^38), whereas in any TLD, there are about 37^63 (6.2x10^98 or 2^328). And that’s before you get to any sub

Re: [mailop] Help. Why are my emails being marked as spam by google?

2015-03-17 Thread Ian Eiloart
Unused IP addresses are also not problematic. My only point was this: if the IPv6 address space is too large for blacklists or other reputation management tools, then the domain address space is very much larger. There’s always another address you can register. > On 17 Mar 2015, at 13:45, Davi

Re: [mailop] Help. Why are my emails being marked as spam by google?

2015-03-17 Thread Rob McEwen
On 3/17/2015 9:51 AM, Ian Eiloart wrote: Unused IP addresses are also not problematic. My only point was this: if the IPv6 address space is too large for blacklists or other reputation management tools, then the domain address space is very much larger. There’s always another address you can r

Re: [mailop] Help. Why are my emails being marked as spam by google?

2015-03-17 Thread Franck Martin
On Mar 17, 2015, at 1:27 AM, Mark Foster wrote: > > > On 17/03/2015 7:28 p.m., Franck Martin wrote: >> >>> On Mar 16, 2015, at 9:17 PM, Steve Holdoway wrote: >>> >>> On Tue, 2015-03-17 at 03:28 +, John Levine wrote: >> Are you saying your hosting provider gave your a /128 instead of

Re: [mailop] Help. Why are my emails being marked as spam by google?

2015-03-17 Thread Franck Martin
On Mar 17, 2015, at 1:20 AM, David Hofstee wrote: > And that is why the big inbox providers should not allow email over IPv6 > without DMARC. Then domain reputation can be used reliably. > DMARC is a specific tool, not really for all to use… but enforcing SPF or DKIM over IPv6 is what we nee

Re: [mailop] Help. Why are my emails being marked as spam by google?

2015-03-17 Thread Steve Holdoway
...but I have DMARC, even if just at the starting do nothing stage. On Tue, 2015-03-17 at 17:50 +, Franck Martin wrote: > On Mar 17, 2015, at 1:20 AM, David Hofstee wrote: > > > And that is why the big inbox providers should not allow email over IPv6 > > without DMARC. Then domain reputatio

Re: [mailop] Help. Why are my emails being marked as spam by google?

2015-03-17 Thread Franck Martin
On Mar 17, 2015, at 12:28 PM, Steve Holdoway wrote: > ...but I have DMARC, even if just at the starting do nothing stage. > At the do nothing stage, DMARC does not guarantee that you have SPF or DKIM on all your emails… Alignment of domains (as in DMARC) is a harder ask than just asking to h

Re: [mailop] Help. Why are my emails being marked as spam by google?

2015-03-17 Thread Mark Foster
You are correct about InternetNZ's generic policy position but they cannot dictate terms to NZ operators. Offering a /128 is a commercial decision, not a regulatory one. If Steve wants a bigger allocation he needs to ask. If he doesn't like it he can vote with his feet - there are other options

Re: [mailop] Help. Why are my emails being marked as spam by google?

2015-03-17 Thread Frank Bulk
Going back to the OP's original issue: he had most of the right stuff set up, yet one poor (netblock) reputation issue led to his messages being tagged as spam. Frank -Original Message- From: mailop [mailto:mailop-boun...@mailop.org] On Behalf Of Franck Martin Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 201

Re: [mailop] Help. Why are my emails being marked as spam by google?

2015-03-17 Thread Dave Warren
On 2015-03-17 06:51, Ian Eiloart wrote: Unused IP addresses are also not problematic. My only point was this: if the IPv6 address space is too large for blacklists or other reputation management tools, then the domain address space is very much larger. There’s always another address you can re

Re: [mailop] Help. Why are my emails being marked as spam by google?

2015-03-17 Thread Michael Ellis
-Original Message- From: mailop [mailto:mailop-boun...@mailop.org] On Behalf Of Dave Warren Sent: March-17-15 9:29 PM To: mailop@mailop.org Subject: Re: [mailop] Help. Why are my emails being marked as spam by google? On 2015-03-17 06:51, Ian Eiloart wrote: > Unused IP addresses are also

Re: [mailop] Help. Why are my emails being marked as spam by google?

2015-03-17 Thread Jay Hennigan
On 3/16/15 6:38 PM, Steve Holdoway wrote: On Tue, 2015-03-17 at 01:27 +, Franck Martin wrote: Are you saying your hosting provider gave your a /128 instead of a /64 ? Yes What? Do they think they're going to run out? If you have a subnet, you should have a /64. Sounds like you need t

Re: [mailop] Help. Why are my emails being marked as spam by google?

2015-03-17 Thread Steve Holdoway
On Tue, 2015-03-17 at 20:09 -0700, Jay Hennigan wrote: > On 3/16/15 6:38 PM, Steve Holdoway wrote: > > On Tue, 2015-03-17 at 01:27 +, Franck Martin wrote: > > >> Are you saying your hosting provider gave your a /128 instead of a /64 ? > >> > > > > Yes > > What? Do they think they're going to