Re: [mailop] question regarding support for international characters

Hi Annalivia, At 03:22 AM 09-04-2018, Annalivia Ford wrote: I've been tasked with finding out what the general consensus is on the support in email headers for International characters such as UTF-8 Charcacters and including things like accented characters like é and å and can also include A

Re: [mailop] question regarding support for international characters {dkim-fail}

: 11/04/2018 20:48 Subject:Re: [mailop] question regarding support for international characters {dkim-fail} Sent by:"mailop" At Google, Gmail can add support for other addresses without impacting that many other services (contacts and the sharing UI's for the oth

Re: [mailop] question regarding support for international characters {dkim-fail}

At Google, Gmail can add support for other addresses without impacting that many other services (contacts and the sharing UI's for the other gsuite apps). Changing all of Google products to handle a primary id that's not just ascii is a much larger change across the company and coordinating thousa

Re: [mailop] question regarding support for international characters {dkim-fail}

I don’t think that most software even supports EAI addresses. When I built WildDuck IMAP server (https://github.com/nodemailer/wildduck ) then while I had EAI and other i18n aspects (SMTPUTF8, RFC6855 etc) planned from day one then it was really difficult

Re: [mailop] question regarding support for international characters {dkim-fail}

Curious, isn't it, that the MSP EAI support we've talked about here is exclusively for other people's addresses, not for their own users? I know a few Indian providers that offer EAI addresses and I think a Chinese one. It's not surprising that the US providers don't do so, since as you note

Re: [mailop] question regarding support for international characters {dkim-fail}

> Besides, I have a sneaking suspicions that those who take the step of offering > addresses in scripts that have these issues are going to be so busy dealing > with visual similarity, address fakery, and similar issues that we'll be > lucky if they do any sort of normalization at all, let alone d

Re: [mailop] question regarding support for international characters {dkim-fail}

On Wed, 11 Apr 2018, Ned Freed wrote: MTAs, maybe. But your typical MTA also acts as an MSA. Mine's atypical, the MSA is a separate program that I haven't tried to fix yet. At this point I'm exchanging EAI mail with other places, using the scanning hack to decide whether to look for SMTPUTF8

Re: [mailop] question regarding support for international characters {dkim-fail}

>> The Gmail and Hotmail support handles other people's UTF-8 addresses >> in mail but they still don't provide UTF-8 addresses on their own >> systems. > > From what I can tell, Gmail and outlook.com's support is basically "just send > UTF-8", that is, it will send EAI messages without the server

Re: [mailop] question regarding support for international characters

On 2018-04-10 23:52:59 (+0800), John Levine wrote: In article <20180410083903.gi86...@rincewind.trouble.is> you write: I've been tasked with finding out what the general consensus is on the support in email headers for International characters such as UTF-8 ... Accented characters in real na

Re: [mailop] question regarding support for international characters {dkim-fail}

On Tue, 10 Apr 2018, Brandon Long wrote: I meant interpreting addresses in mail to my own mailboxes, the generalized version of case folding and subaddresses. Maybe you're right that undotted i's won't work in a lot of places, but I'd be surprised if they didn't work in Turkey. Aren't there st

Re: [mailop] question regarding support for international characters

On this topic, Office 365 EAI support got very positive adoption https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/exchange/2017/12/27/eai-support-announcement/ It seems non-ASCII emails and domain names will get more and more popular ___ mailop mailing list mailo

Re: [mailop] question regarding support for international characters {dkim-fail}

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 11:32 AM John R Levine wrote: > >> The Gmail and Hotmail support handles other people's UTF-8 addresses > >> in mail but they still don't provide UTF-8 addresses on their own > >> systems. > > > > From what I can tell, Gmail and outlook.com's support is basically > "just s

Re: [mailop] question regarding support for international characters

And yet Google (and Microsoft and many others) do seem to assume that if the headers are badly formatted (in various ways) it needs rejection or adds to the score tending towards classification as SPAM. The body is a different mess, indeed, and one where a more relaxed scanner seems to be used

Re: [mailop] question regarding support for international characters {dkim-fail}

The Gmail and Hotmail support handles other people's UTF-8 addresses in mail but they still don't provide UTF-8 addresses on their own systems. From what I can tell, Gmail and outlook.com's support is basically "just send UTF-8", that is, it will send EAI messages without the server offering the

Re: [mailop] question regarding support for international characters

Mail has never been clean, if you've been using such a simple easy rejection rule, you are likely a majority English provider who doesn't get much else. It used to be very common to get mail in koi8-r or koi8-u, or in iso-2022-jp or sjis, for example, or even in iso-8859-1 or others around Europe.

Re: [mailop] question regarding support for international characters {dkim-fail}

> In article > > you write: > >-=-=-=-=-=- > >-=-=-=-=-=- > >-=-=-=-=-=- > > > >Hello folks > > > >I've been tasked with finding out what the general consensus is on the > >support in email headers for International characters such as UTF-8 > >Charcacters and including things like accented char

Re: [mailop] question regarding support for international characters

But that's the From: comment and Subject: text where they're expected and already have a way to provide for encoded UTF-8 (or whatever), where SMTPUTF8 means we will likely begin seeing raw UTF-8 in the From: mailbox name, and anywhere in Received: and other headers. This will make MUAs and thu

Re: [mailop] question regarding support for international characters

In article <20180410083903.gi86...@rincewind.trouble.is> you write: >>>I've been tasked with finding out what the general consensus is on the >>>support in email headers for International characters such as UTF-8 ... >Accented characters in real names are pretty universally accepted >though. E

Re: [mailop] question regarding support for international characters

On 2018-04-09 12:16:08 (+0100), Jeremy Harris wrote: On 09/04/18 11:22, Annalivia Ford wrote: I've been tasked with finding out what the general consensus is on the support in email headers for International characters such as UTF-8 Charcacters and including things like accented characters lik

Re: [mailop] question regarding support for international characters

On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 1:54 PM John R Levine wrote: > > We announced that it was supported back in 2014: > > > https://googleblog.blogspot.com/2014/08/a-first-step-toward-more-global-email.html > > > > Were you referring to something else? > > No, I just wasn't paying attention. Oops. > The oth

Re: [mailop] question regarding support for international characters

We announced that it was supported back in 2014: https://googleblog.blogspot.com/2014/08/a-first-step-toward-more-global-email.html Were you referring to something else? No, I just wasn't paying attention. Oops. Regards, John Levine, jo...@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY Pleas

Re: [mailop] question regarding support for international characters

On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 7:57 AM John Levine wrote: > In article < > ofc0fea11b.05dda05c-onc125826a.0038eb98-c125826a.0038f...@notes.na.collabserv.com> > you write: > >-=-=-=-=-=- > >-=-=-=-=-=- > >-=-=-=-=-=- > > > >Hello folks > > > >I've been tasked with finding out what the general consensus is

Re: [mailop] question regarding support for international characters

In article you write: >-=-=-=-=-=- >-=-=-=-=-=- >-=-=-=-=-=- > >Hello folks > >I've been tasked with finding out what the general consensus is on the >support in email headers for International characters such as UTF-8 >Charcacters and including things like accented characters like � and � an

Re: [mailop] question regarding support for international characters

> Il 9 aprile 2018 alle 12.22 Annalivia Ford ha > scritto: > > Hello folks > > I've been tasked with finding out what the general consensus is on the > support in email headers for International characters such as UTF-8 > Charcacters and including things like accented characters lik

Re: [mailop] question regarding support for international characters

On 09/04/18 11:22, Annalivia Ford wrote: > I've been tasked with finding out what the general consensus is on the > support in email headers for International characters such as UTF-8 > Charcacters and including things like accented characters like é and å and > can also include Asian and Cyril

Re: [mailop] question regarding support for international characters

: [mailop] question regarding support for international characters Hello folks I've been tasked with finding out what the general consensus is on the support in email headers for International characters such as UTF-8 Charcacters and including things like accented characters like é and å and can

[mailop] question regarding support for international characters

Hello folks I've been tasked with finding out what the general consensus is on the support in email headers for International characters such as UTF-8 Charcacters and including things like accented characters like é and å and can also include Asian and Cyrillic characters. I know there's an R