Re: [mailop] The "NEW" Outlook

2024-12-12 Thread Francois Petillon via mailop
On 12/12/24 16:44, Scott Q. wrote: I understood that. You  temp block the MS IP that shows high failure rate, which may or may not be warranted. No. I'm blocking the accounts, not the IPs. I won't block an IP that is clearly authenticating on compromised accounts. My fault for the misunderst

Re: [mailop] The "NEW" Outlook

2024-12-12 Thread Scott Q. via mailop
I understood that. You  temp block the MS IP that shows high failure rate, which may or may not be warranted. My question was more along the lines of: by allowing MS IPs to mask the user's true identity, how can you identify when a mailbox has been compromised ? Thanks, Scott​​ On Thursday, 12/1

Re: [mailop] The "NEW" Outlook

2024-12-12 Thread Francois Petillon via mailop
On 12/12/24 16:19, Scott Q. wrote: How can you tell if they are compromised if legitimate user A connects from France via 'New' Outlook and hacker B connects from Australia via 'New' Outlook ? I'm afraid you misunderstood my previous answers. When an IP is behaving like : IP 4.233.216.98 (8075

Re: [mailop] The "NEW" Outlook

2024-12-12 Thread Scott Q. via mailop
How can you tell if they are compromised if legitimate user A connects from France via 'New' Outlook and hacker B connects from Australia via 'New' Outlook ? Scott​ On Thursday, 12/12/2024 at 09:25 Francois Petillon via mailop wrote: On 12/12/24 14:52, Scott Q. wrote: > So are you guys blockin

Re: [mailop] The "NEW" Outlook

2024-12-12 Thread Francois Petillon via mailop
On 12/12/24 14:52, Scott Q. wrote: So are you guys blocking the connections from the MS ASN ? Does that result in 'New' Outlook not being able to login at all or not ? No, we disable accounts when the credentials seem to be compromised. François ___

Re: [mailop] The "NEW" Outlook

2024-12-12 Thread Scott Q. via mailop
So are you guys blocking the connections from the MS ASN ? Does that result in 'New' Outlook not being able to login at all or not ? Scott​ On Thursday, 12/12/2024 at 05:37 Francois Petillon via mailop wrote: On 12/11/24 17:19, Scott Q. via mailop wrote: > It seems MS is pushing really hard fo

Re: [mailop] The "NEW" Outlook

2024-12-12 Thread Francois Petillon via mailop
On 12/11/24 17:19, Scott Q. via mailop wrote: It seems MS is pushing really hard for the 'NEW' Outlook adoption. This software, along with Outlook Mobile and myMail (mail.ru), etc, cache logon information on their own infrastructure and then basically proxy the connection to the service provider.

Re: [mailop] The "NEW" Outlook

2024-12-11 Thread Scott Q. via mailop
Hi Yuval, I don't think it's that straightforward, or maybe I don't know enough about the legal aspects of it all. I know there are other lawyers on the list, maybe they can chime in as well. All I know is that the EU has, like others, disabled the access of Outlook Mobile (and 'New' Outlook as w

Re: [mailop] The "NEW" Outlook

2024-12-11 Thread Aaron C. de Bruyn via mailop
FYI - The 'S' in 'Outlook' stands for 'Security'. -A On Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 8:29 AM Scott Q. via mailop wrote: > It seems MS is pushing really hard for the 'NEW' Outlook adoption. This > software, along with Outlook Mobile and myMail (mail.ru), etc, cache > logon information on their own infra

Re: [mailop] The "NEW" Outlook

2024-12-11 Thread postfix--- via mailop
On 2024-12-11 15:11, Michael Peddemors via mailop wrote: On 2024-12-11 11:20, Scott Q. via mailop wrote: I find that beyond the : - security risks - privacy concerns​ - inability to troubleshoot connection issues - being exposed to MS outages - inability to optimize routing for global customers

Re: [mailop] The "NEW" Outlook

2024-12-11 Thread Michael Peddemors via mailop
On 2024-12-11 11:20, Scott Q. via mailop wrote: I find that beyond the : - security risks - privacy concerns​ - inability to troubleshoot connection issues - being exposed to MS outages - inability to optimize routing for global customers there is also the glaring fact that MS is a competitor i

Re: [mailop] The "NEW" Outlook

2024-12-11 Thread Pete Long via mailop
Opinions are like arseholes, Graeme, everyone has one. Pete. > On 11 Dec 2024, at 17:21, Graeme Fowler via mailop wrote: > > Evening folks > > Small admin nit follows. > > On 11 Dec 2024, at 16:51, Marco Moock via mailop wrote: >> MS's slaves love that like they love any other privacy or s

Re: [mailop] The "NEW" Outlook

2024-12-11 Thread Marco Moock via mailop
Am 11.12.2024 um 14:20:32 Uhr schrieb Scott Q. via mailop: > The whole thing seems very anti-competitive to me. It is and this is maybe intended. Big companies want to gain more marketshare and make people use more of their services. Just think about how many domains now use MS or Google in thei

Re: [mailop] The "NEW" Outlook

2024-12-11 Thread Scott Q. via mailop
I find that beyond the : - security risks - privacy concerns​ - inability to troubleshoot connection issues - being exposed to MS outages - inability to optimize routing for global customers there is also the glaring fact that MS is a competitor in this space. What stops them 12 months from now f

Re: [mailop] The "NEW" Outlook

2024-12-11 Thread Graeme Fowler via mailop
Evening folks Small admin nit follows. On 11 Dec 2024, at 16:51, Marco Moock via mailop wrote: > MS's slaves love that like they love any other privacy or security > violations by the big tech crap companies. I’m not singling you out, Marco, this applies to everyone... Please try to be a littl

Re: [mailop] The "NEW" Outlook

2024-12-11 Thread Lukas Adrian Kron via mailop
A local University here in Germany blocks the use of the new Outlook. This results in the Error "wrong credentials".They provide a Registry Key to turn back to the Outlook (classic).https://www.itsb.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/aktuelles/meldung00324.html (Post in German)Several other Universities published

Re: [mailop] The "NEW" Outlook

2024-12-11 Thread Louis via mailop
You'll find this thread from a year ago interesting, I gave my insights there: https://list.mailop.org/private/mailop/2023-November/thread.html#26357 Groetjes, Louis On Wednesday, December 11, 2024 5:19 PM, Scott Q. via mailop wrote: > It seems MS is pushing really hard for the 'NEW' Outlook

Re: [mailop] The "NEW" Outlook

2024-12-11 Thread Marco Moock via mailop
Am 11.12.2024 um 11:19:58 Uhr schrieb Scott Q. via mailop: > It seems MS is pushing really hard for the 'NEW' Outlook > adoption. MS's slaves love that like they love any other privacy or security violations by the big tech crap companies. > This software, along with Outlook Mobile and myMail (m

[mailop] The "NEW" Outlook

2024-12-11 Thread Scott Q. via mailop
It seems MS is pushing really hard for the 'NEW' Outlook adoption. This software, along with Outlook Mobile and myMail (mail.ru), etc, cache logon information on their own infrastructure and then basically proxy the connection to the service provider. This makes it impossible for service providers