Re: [mailop] Anti-spam recommendations for a user-generated-content host

2015-02-21 Thread TR Shaw
I think that you might want to reevalute e-hawk. The price is really competitive: http://www.e-hawk.net/pricing/ That said prefiltering out known-by-you bad ones is always smart. Tom On Feb 21, 2015, at 6:35 AM, Gil Bahat wrote: > From Magisto's perspective, having publicly announced reachi

Re: [mailop] Anti-spam recommendations for a user-generated-content host

2015-02-21 Thread Gil Bahat
>From Magisto's perspective, having publicly announced reaching 50 million users 2.5 months ago, such costs can rack up very, very quickly to tens of thousands of dollars per month. This applies not just to e-hawk but also to akismet, to email verification/validation services and to transaction fra

Re: [mailop] Anti-spam recommendations for a user-generated-content host

2015-02-21 Thread Paul Kincaid-Smith
I'm glad you found the UGC blog post useful, Gil. To make sure I understand your comment on pricing, were you referring to E-Hawk's pricing or the costs to integrate other "blocklists and bot detection mechanisms?" What orders of magnitude are you seeing for signups on your service? Seems like an

Re: [mailop] Anti-spam recommendations for a user-generated-content host

2015-02-19 Thread Gil Bahat
Excellent stuff, comprehensive and yet very straightforward. e-hawk in particular seems a great alternative to rolling something on our own and starting to evaluate various blocklists and bot detection mechanisms. can get very very expensive though at our signup rate. I find the idea to apply akism

Re: [mailop] Anti-spam recommendations for a user-generated-content host

2015-02-19 Thread Paul Kincaid-Smith
Hello Gil, I am the postmaster for magisto, an app centered around user generated content > (UGC). we enjoy some popularity, and with popularity comes abuse. There > are users who utilize magisto to generate content to be used for > spamvertisement and/or other unsavory content. they will then "in

Re: [mailop] Anti-spam recommendations for a user-generated-content host

2015-01-20 Thread Matthias Leisi
On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 9:30 PM, Dave Warren wrote: > iOS share panel, send to the default email client, etc. Don't distribute > the abuse yourself, make the abuser handle the distribution channel. > There is quite some support for fancy mailto:-links in modern environments... -- Matthias

Re: [mailop] Anti-spam recommendations for a user-generated-content host

2015-01-20 Thread Dave Warren
On 2015-01-20 05:15, Gil Bahat wrote: On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Neil Schwartzman > wrote: Agreed. years ago I wrote a BP document for a former employer wherein the bottom line was no customizable fields for public-facing UGC mechanisms. The criminals wil

Re: [mailop] Anti-spam recommendations for a user-generated-content host

2015-01-20 Thread Neil Schwartzman
Agreed. years ago I wrote a BP document for a former employer wherein the bottom line was no customizable fields for public-facing UGC mechanisms. The criminals will find them before your legitimate users will, always. expect to find 419 offers and porn & malware links in there instantaneously.

Re: [mailop] Anti-spam recommendations for a user-generated-content host

2015-01-20 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 03:18:28PM +0200, Gil Bahat wrote: > [...] using the built-in content invite mechanism. Step 1: remove that permanently. It's an abuse magnet, like "email this link to a friend", and while there are ways to mitigate some of abuse your site will emanate as a result of it, t

Re: [mailop] Anti-spam recommendations for a user-generated-content host

2015-01-19 Thread Gil Bahat
Aside from the inline response, I guess I could approach several of the ISPs who bulked some of our messages and try to affirm if it's UGC spam or not. if anyone got any contacts at laposte.net or orange.fr (offlist please), IIRC they bulked us a bit on invites. On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 10:22 PM, J

Re: [mailop] Anti-spam recommendations for a user-generated-content host

2015-01-19 Thread Jay Hennigan
On 1/19/15 5:18, Gil Bahat wrote: > > I am the postmaster for magisto, an app centered around user generated > content (UGC). we enjoy some popularity, and with popularity comes > abuse. There are users who utilize magisto to generate content to be > used for spamvertisement and/or other unsavory

[mailop] Anti-spam recommendations for a user-generated-content host

2015-01-19 Thread Gil Bahat
(apologies in advance if this ends up a double-post) Hello everyone, I am the postmaster for magisto, an app centered around user generated content (UGC). we enjoy some popularity, and with popularity comes abuse. There are users who utilize magisto to generate content to be used for spamvertisem