Re: [mailop] [EXTERNAL]Re: Spamfolder mini rant (Was: Contact Google Postmaster) --> "Junk (suspected)" as preferred folder nam

> On 1/29/2024 3:20 AM, Laura Atkins via mailop wrote: > > > A very experienced spam filter person, who worked at a not-for-profit > > spam filtering company and two of the major mailbox providers once > > told me that the biggest challenge with their job was that there were > > messages that s

Re: [mailop] [EXTERNAL]Re: Spamfolder mini rant (Was: Contact Google Postmaster)

On 1/29/2024 3:20 AM, Laura Atkins via mailop wrote: A very experienced spam filter person, who worked at a not-for-profit spam filtering company and two of the major mailbox providers once told me that the biggest challenge with their job was that there were messages that some recipients were

Re: [mailop] [EXTERNAL] Re: Spamfolder mini rant (Was: Contact Google Postmaster)

> On 29 Jan 2024, at 18:02, Todd Herr via mailop wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 29, 2024 at 12:24 PM Scott Mutter via mailop > wrote: >> On Mon, Jan 29, 2024 at 10:01 AM Todd Herr via mailop > > wrote: >>> Users can only click "This is spam" on messa

Re: [mailop] [EXTERNAL] Re: Spamfolder mini rant (Was: Contact Google Postmaster)

On Mon, Jan 29, 2024 at 12:24 PM Scott Mutter via mailop wrote: > On Mon, Jan 29, 2024 at 10:01 AM Todd Herr via mailop > wrote: > >> Users can only click "This is spam" on messages that end up in their >> inbox. If all of your traffic went to the spam folder, perhaps because it >> was unfortuna

Re: [mailop] [EXTERNAL] Re: Spamfolder mini rant (Was: Contact Google Postmaster)

On Mon, Jan 29, 2024 at 10:01 AM Todd Herr via mailop wrote: > Users can only click "This is spam" on messages that end up in their > inbox. If all of your traffic went to the spam folder, perhaps because it > was unfortunately remarkably similar to previous traffic that was deemed > spam, you wo

Re: [mailop] [EXTERNAL] Re: Spamfolder mini rant (Was: Contact Google Postmaster)

On Mon, Jan 29, 2024 at 10:51 AM Scott Mutter via mailop wrote: > > It would also give feedback to spammers allowing them to fine-tune their > > messages to avoid getting flagged. > > What about feedback loops? Don't those also fall into the category of > aiding the spammer? But they are also a

Re: [mailop] [EXTERNAL] Re: Spamfolder mini rant (Was: Contact Google Postmaster)

> It would also give feedback to spammers allowing them to fine-tune their > messages to avoid getting flagged. What about feedback loops? Don't those also fall into the category of aiding the spammer? But they are also a tool for legitimate mail server administrators to combat spam on their net

Re: [mailop] [EXTERNAL] Re: Spamfolder mini rant (Was: Contact Google Postmaster)

And if you’re worried about spammers fine-tuning based on this response, keep in mind that they likely already have a fair number of test accounts at various mailbox providers. -- Alex Brotman Sr. Engineer, Anti-Abuse & Messaging Policy Comcast From: Brotman, Alex Sent: Monday, January 29, 2024

Re: [mailop] [EXTERNAL] Re: Spamfolder mini rant (Was: Contact Google Postmaster)

I did create this a while ago. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-brotman-srds/ This would allow the MTA doing the sending to see that it will go to the spam folder. I’ve created initial code to support this, but haven’t yet deployed it. -- Alex Brotman Sr. Engineer, Anti-Abuse & Messaging