Re: [mailop] Mailserver software

2024-07-15 Thread Viktor Dukhovni via mailop
On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 09:33:14PM +0200, Marco Davids (SIDN) via mailop wrote: > Why not try something completely different, like https://www.xmox.nl/ ? > > It installs in minutes (literally) and gives you, out-of-the-box, everything > you want with regard to DMARC, DKIM, SPF, MTA-STS, STARTTLS

Re: [mailop] Mailserver software

2024-07-15 Thread Michael Orlitzky via mailop
On Tue, 2024-07-16 at 07:40 +0800, Jeff Pang via mailop wrote: > Any experience on opensmtpd on debian? Just use postfix. You lose the OpenBSD security dust when running on Debian, and the last time OpenSMTPD had a remote (root) code execution vulnerability we all learned that it delivers mail wit

Re: [mailop] Mailserver software

2024-07-15 Thread Jeff Pang via mailop
Any experience on opensmtpd on debian? Thanks On 2024-07-15 22:51, Jeroen via mailop wrote: Hi, When I deploy a new mailserver, I consider postfix, exim and qmail. From practical experience, what are the advantages, disadvantages, and adaptation scenarios of postfix, exim, and qmail? We

Re: [mailop] Mailserver software

2024-07-15 Thread Slavko via mailop
Dňa 15. júla 2024 21:37:07 UTC používateľ Jeff Pang via mailop napísal: >4. Exim has more built-in features such as Dkim and customized transmap, but >may be hard to setup correctly Hard? Sure, it has not click-click configuration, one must know what he want to setup, and then learn how to set

Re: [mailop] Mailserver software

2024-07-15 Thread Jeff Pang via mailop
Hello I have read every post you provided. Thanks so much. Now I know that, 1. Qmail is too old to be supported 2. Sendmail is a Primitive and complex system, not suggested 3. Postfix and Exim are main stream today 4. Exim has more built-in features such as Dkim and customized transmap, but may

Re: [mailop] Mailserver software

2024-07-15 Thread Andrew C Aitchison via mailop
On Mon, 15 Jul 2024, Marco Moock via mailop wrote: Am 15.07.2024 um 14:48:01 Uhr schrieb John Levine via mailop: Sendmail is actively maintained and works fine, but configuring it is hard and the documentation is a 30 year stream of consciousness. The m4 macros are a bit tricky, but all poss

Re: [mailop] Mailserver software

2024-07-15 Thread Marco Davids (SIDN) via mailop
Op 15-07-2024 om 16:39 schreef Jeff Pang via mailop: When I deploy a new mailserver, I consider postfix, exim and qmail. Why not try something completely different, like https://www.xmox.nl/ ? It installs in minutes (literally) and gives you, out-of-the-box, everything you want with regard t

Re: [mailop] Mailserver software

2024-07-15 Thread Mark E. Mallett via mailop
On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 02:04:09PM -0500, Chris Adams via mailop wrote: > I ran sendmail for many years, got my release notes entries to show for > it. :) It was kind of neat to be able to do wacky things with what was > essentially a programming language config, but now I think there's > better w

Re: [mailop] Mailserver software

2024-07-15 Thread Chris Adams via mailop
Once upon a time, John Levine said: > The usual suggestions are postfix and exim. Exim has somewhat more > built in, e.g., DKIM signing, postfix seems somewhat more popular. > Both are well supported on mailing lists with active help from the > maintainers. I think these are the only two major L

Re: [mailop] Mailserver software

2024-07-15 Thread Marco Moock via mailop
Am 15.07.2024 um 14:48:01 Uhr schrieb John Levine via mailop: > Sendmail is actively maintained and works fine, but configuring it > is hard and the documentation is a 30 year stream of consciousness. The m4 macros are a bit tricky, but all possible after reading the relevant parts of the bat-boo

Re: [mailop] Mailserver software

2024-07-15 Thread John Levine via mailop
According to Mark E. Mallett via mailop : >On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 05:08:49PM +0200, Marco Moock via mailop wrote: >> Am 15.07.2024 um 22:39:34 Uhr schrieb Jeff Pang via mailop: >> >> > When I deploy a new mailserver, I consider postfix, exim and qmail. >> >> At least when visiting the website, q

Re: [mailop] Mailserver software

2024-07-15 Thread Marco Moock via mailop
Am 15.07.2024 um 11:32:05 Uhr schrieb Anthony Howe via mailop: > I prefer Sendmail 8.x, because that is what I started with and took > great efforts to learn (spent money on The Bat book, was given a gold > shirt :-D ). I know the bat book (I found the PDF on a Russian ftp server), but please exp

Re: [mailop] Strange sending issues with GMX

2024-07-15 Thread Ralph Seichter via mailop
* Jeff Pang via mailop: > Yes, it is not reasonable to classify spam emails solely based on the > user's IP address or the majority weight of IP addresses. You may think that, or wish it. Blacklists, be they public or in-house, are actively used in the real world. -Ralph

Re: [mailop] "unmaintained" milter

2024-07-15 Thread Jesse Hathaway via mailop
On Sun, Jul 14, 2024 at 7:55 AM Anthony Howe via mailop wrote: > Umm. Which unmaintained milters? > > If you have a problem with one of my milters or BarricadeMX let me know and > I'll > address it. Most of my work is now available on GitHub (12 milters and > BarricadeMX aka smtpf). I was look

Re: [mailop] Help with handling backscatter

2024-07-15 Thread Jesse Hathaway via mailop
On Sun, Jul 14, 2024 at 12:49 PM Alessandro Vesely via mailop wrote: > Did ARC seals verify? We are not verifying arc seals at present, but rspamd seems to have support, which is a milter we are currently using, so that is worth investigating, thanks. _

Re: [mailop] Help with handling backscatter

2024-07-15 Thread Jesse Hathaway via mailop
On Fri, Jul 12, 2024 at 7:59 PM Grant Taylor via mailop wrote: > It's not BATV but it does help filter bogus use of the Null Reverse > Path. Maybe this will help some. > > Link - SirWumpus/milter-null: Filter legitimate DSN and MDN messages > from those generated as a result of spam backscatter.

Re: [mailop] Help with handling backscatter

2024-07-15 Thread Jesse Hathaway via mailop
On Fri, Jul 12, 2024 at 4:14 PM Slavko via mailop wrote: > I didn't notice which MTA you are using. Exim has tools for BATV > signing and verification, i don't know how others. Coincidentally, we just migrated from Exim to Postfix, so I think a separate milter is my only option at present. __

Re: [mailop] Mailserver software

2024-07-15 Thread Michael Orlitzky via mailop
On Mon, 2024-07-15 at 22:39 +0800, Jeff Pang via mailop wrote: > Hello > > When I deploy a new mailserver, I consider postfix, exim and qmail. > > From practical experience, what are the advantages, disadvantages, and > adaptation scenarios of postfix, exim, and qmail? > Forget qmail (and sen

Re: [mailop] Mailserver software

2024-07-15 Thread Mark E. Mallett via mailop
On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 05:08:49PM +0200, Marco Moock via mailop wrote: > Am 15.07.2024 um 22:39:34 Uhr schrieb Jeff Pang via mailop: > > > When I deploy a new mailserver, I consider postfix, exim and qmail. > > At least when visiting the website, qmail's last release is more than > 25 years ago.

Re: [mailop] Strange sending issues with GMX

2024-07-15 Thread Scott Q. via mailop
I don't understand, what are your issues ? You appear to be a user that opens up 10 threads per day about random topics. If you manage an e-mail service that has issues with GMX then say so and state the service-level issue you have. If you are a user of GMX then you can contact their support. S

Re: [mailop] Mailserver software

2024-07-15 Thread Anthony Howe via mailop
On 2024-07-15 11:08, Marco Moock via mailop wrote: Am 15.07.2024 um 22:39:34 Uhr schrieb Jeff Pang via mailop: When I deploy a new mailserver, I consider postfix, exim and qmail. At least when visiting the website, qmail's last release is more than 25 years ago. That is something I entirely d

Re: [mailop] Mailserver software

2024-07-15 Thread Julian Bradfield via mailop
On 2024-07-15, Jeff Pang via mailop wrote: > When I deploy a new mailserver, I consider postfix, exim and qmail. > From practical experience, what are the advantages, disadvantages, and > adaptation scenarios of postfix, exim, and qmail? I run exim on my servers and postfix on my laptops. I fin

Re: [mailop] Mailserver software

2024-07-15 Thread Marco Moock via mailop
Am 15.07.2024 um 22:39:34 Uhr schrieb Jeff Pang via mailop: > When I deploy a new mailserver, I consider postfix, exim and qmail. At least when visiting the website, qmail's last release is more than 25 years ago. That is something I entirely don't recommend to use. > From practical experience,

Re: [mailop] Mailserver software

2024-07-15 Thread Jeroen via mailop
Hi, When I deploy a new mailserver, I consider postfix, exim and qmail. From practical experience, what are the advantages, disadvantages, and adaptation scenarios of postfix, exim, and qmail? We have excellent experiences with OpenSMTPD - on OpenBSD. There is a portable version too. The u

[mailop] Mailserver software

2024-07-15 Thread Jeff Pang via mailop
Hello When I deploy a new mailserver, I consider postfix, exim and qmail. From practical experience, what are the advantages, disadvantages, and adaptation scenarios of postfix, exim, and qmail? Regards -- Jeff Pang jeffp...@aol.com ___ mailop mai

Re: [mailop] Strange sending issues with GMX

2024-07-15 Thread Jeff Pang via mailop
On 2024-07-15 22:13, Al Iverson via mailop wrote: Couple of questions... - Isn't this list meant for communication around active operational issues? - Is how GMX designed outbound filtering really an operational issue? GMX postmaster is on the list then he/she was kind enough to resolve out

Re: [mailop] Strange sending issues with GMX

2024-07-15 Thread Al Iverson via mailop
Couple of questions... - Isn't this list meant for communication around active operational issues? - Is how GMX designed outbound filtering really an operational issue? Cheers, Al Iverson ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/

Re: [mailop] Best practices for VPS providers?

2024-07-15 Thread Michael via mailop
They best way is to address that in the egress router. Most routers nowadays can have alerts and triggers based on traffic, so simply create a router policy that sends an alert when too many tcp syn packets out from an IP attempt to connect to remote IPs on port 25. You can do this for many di