Re: [mailop] [EXTERNAL] Re: Business justification to use noreply sender addresses?

On 2/6/20 12:06, Patrick Ben Koetter via mailop wrote: So the business justification is to use 'any' routeable envelope sender address because one wants to do bounce processing. The technical justification is to use 'any' routeable envelope sender address in order to achieve better deliverabi

Re: [mailop] +-addressing support

On 2020/02/06 17:02, Bill Cole via mailop wrote: > On 6 Feb 2020, at 16:04, Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop wrote: > > > Dnia 6.02.2020 o godz. 12:43:52 Philip Paeps via mailop pisze: > > > > > > Why are there still setups in 2020 that don't support this? > > > > Especially that all main MTAs have bee

Re: [mailop] [EXTERNAL] Uptick in live.com blocks from AWS 1/20

If you’re moving traffic to a new block, it’s best to fill out the form and when the robot responds the second time, reply with the string, “Pre-emptive accommodation” and they should send you a form to fill out where you specify anticipated daily volumes and such… That should make the transit

Re: [mailop] [EXTERNAL] Uptick in live.com blocks from AWS 1/20

On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 20:15, Michael Wise via mailop wrote: > > > Heh. > > > > A perfect example of the Turing Test, but not in the way most people think > of it… > > > > https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2084970/ > > > > You really were talking to a live human after step 2, but understa

Re: [mailop] +-addressing support

On 6 Feb 2020, at 16:04, Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop wrote: Dnia 6.02.2020 o godz. 12:43:52 Philip Paeps via mailop pisze: Why are there still setups in 2020 that don't support this? Especially that all main MTAs have been supporting this "since always"... Sendmail has supported this since qu

[mailop] Anyone from Barracuda to contact please?

Have IPs showing clean from BRBL with tickets open from recipients aka Barracuda customers.  Traceroutes show it gets fair enough that it's unclear if it is an AWS or barracuda issue but we can't get to port 25. Looking for any guidance to find out what might be the issue to help Barracuda support

Re: [mailop] +-addressing support

Dnia 6.02.2020 o godz. 12:43:52 Philip Paeps via mailop pisze: > > Why are there still setups in 2020 that don't support this? Especially that all main MTAs have been supporting this "since always"... Sendmail has supported this since quite old releases, Postfix probably was supporting it from t

Re: [mailop] [EXTERNAL] Re: Business justification to use noreply sender addresses?

On 2/6/20 1:13 PM, Michael Wise via mailop wrote: That would be how I would certainly do it, although as others have suggested, I'd probably use the word "bounce" in there somewhere, and use VERP. I'm a firm believer / advocate for using real email addresses, often positional email addresses.

[mailop] +-addressing support

On 2020-02-06 12:13:25 (-0800), Michael Wise via mailop wrote: Of course, that requires + addressing support ... ☹ Yes ... about that ... Why are there still setups in 2020 that don't support this? I have an amusing discussion going with a large global hospitality enterprise based in a very

Re: [mailop] [EXTERNAL] Re: Business justification to use noreply sender addresses?

* Philip Paeps via mailop : > On 2020-02-06 12:06:18 (-0800), Patrick Ben Koetter via mailop wrote: > > * Michael Wise via mailop : > > > If your MAIL FROM: is <>, we're gonna treat it like a bounce of mail > > > we didn't send. > > > > > > Kiss your deliverability GOODBYE. > > > > > > And you wo

Re: [mailop] [EXTERNAL] Re: Business justification to use noreply sender addresses?

On 2020-02-06 12:06:18 (-0800), Patrick Ben Koetter via mailop wrote: * Michael Wise via mailop : If your MAIL FROM: is <>, we're gonna treat it like a bounce of mail we didn't send. Kiss your deliverability GOODBYE. And you won’t be able to do bounce processing, which you really should be d

Re: [mailop] [EXTERNAL] Re: Business justification to use noreply sender addresses?

That would be how I would certainly do it, although as others have suggested, I'd probably use the word "bounce" in there somewhere, and use VERP. As, in theory, it goes easier on the sending MTA, IIRC. Of course, that requires + addressing support ... ☹ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vari

Re: [mailop] [EXTERNAL] Uptick in live.com blocks from AWS 1/20

Heh. A perfect example of the Turing Test, but not in the way most people think of it… https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2084970/ You really were talking to a live human after step 2, but understand that they are *REQUIRED* by our Legal Department, in order to comply with many, many

Re: [mailop] [EXTERNAL] Re: Business justification to use noreply sender addresses?

Aloha Michael! * Michael Wise via mailop : > If your MAIL FROM: is <>, we're gonna treat it like a bounce of mail we > didn't send. > > Kiss your deliverability GOODBYE. > > And you won’t be able to do bounce processing, which you really should be > doing. So the business justification is to

Re: [mailop] [EXTERNAL] Re: Business justification to use noreply sender addresses?

If your MAIL FROM: is <>, we're gonna treat it like a bounce of mail we didn't send. Kiss your deliverability GOODBYE. And you won’t be able to do bounce processing, which you really should be doing. Aloha, Michael. -- Michael J Wise Microsoft Corporation| Spam Analysis "Your Spam Specimen

Re: [mailop] Business justification to use noreply sender addresses?

Two immediate reasons come to mind as to why I wouldn't use a null sender-- 1. The common expectation is that null sender = NDR. 2. It would also prevent you from tracking some bounces -- i.e., it's incompatible with VERP. On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 12:44 PM Patrick Ben Koetter via mailop wrote: > >

Re: [mailop] Business justification to use noreply sender addresses?

Dnia 6.02.2020 o godz. 19:37:39 Patrick Ben Koetter via mailop pisze: > why is it that everyone is still using noreply addresses to send notifications > and other one-way messages? Myself, when I'm writing any script that sends automated notifications, I'm always using some real, replyable addres

[mailop] Business justification to use noreply sender addresses?

Greetings, why is it that everyone is still using noreply addresses to send notifications and other one-way messages? It seems to be common understanding to use e.g. nore...@example.com to keep people from replying to mail from example.com. The typical policy is to reject or discard any mail that

Re: [mailop] [EXTERNAL] Uptick in live.com blocks from AWS 1/20

Hello everybody, All right Michael, we all know that everything must go thru the Support Funnel, but what if : - The first response is from a robot - The second response is from a robot - The third response is from a robot - The fourth response is from a robot - The fifth response is from a robo

[mailop] Optimum\Optonline Contact?

If anyone from Optimum could please contact me off list regarding a few blocks we've been unable to remove due to neighboring AWS IPs, that would be appreciated. Thanks, Scot Berggren | Deliverability and Compliance Manager | Alterian US | +1 720 320-5365 | www.alterian.com