Re: [mailop] Password habits - was Re: Gmail forwarding blowback

2017-11-10 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 11/10/2017 02:59 AM, Andrew C Aitchison wrote: > > Does Gmail ask for the POP3 password every time, or do they store it ? > > I really, really don't like the idea of encouraging users > to give passwords to third parties. The ability to read your mail is worth roughly as much as the password,

Re: [mailop] Password habits - was Re: Gmail forwarding blowback

2017-11-10 Thread Brandon Long via mailop
On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 2:29 PM Michael Peddemors wrote: > Just because you are talking about this.. (I guess I could 'google') > Why the use of POP3 and not IMAP? I also assume of course that you ONLY > allow POP3/SSL and IMAP/SSL, and aren't sending those clear text ;) > > Have you looked at t

Re: [mailop] Password habits - was Re: Gmail forwarding blowback

2017-11-10 Thread Michael Peddemors
Just because you are talking about this.. (I guess I could 'google') Why the use of POP3 and not IMAP? I also assume of course that you ONLY allow POP3/SSL and IMAP/SSL, and aren't sending those clear text ;) But again, this is mostly 'moot', unless a person only uses the Gmail webmail interf

Re: [mailop] Password habits - was Re: Gmail forwarding blowback

2017-11-10 Thread Brandon Long via mailop
On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 8:11 AM Rob Nagler wrote: > >>> Does Gmail ask for the POP3 password every time, or do they store it ? >> > > They store it. Just like they do with SMTP passwords. > On the one hand, I totally sympathize with that position, though the difference between having it on some

Re: [mailop] Password habits - was Re: Gmail forwarding blowback

2017-11-10 Thread Rob Nagler
> > >> Does Gmail ask for the POP3 password every time, or do they store it ? > They store it. Just like they do with SMTP passwords. FWIW, the choices as I see them are: hand over your domain to Google for Business (or equiv), hand over passwords, or run your own mail GUI. We have been experimen

Re: [mailop] Delivery issue at Yahoo

2017-11-10 Thread Lili Crowley
There were changes I cannot get into. The increase in these errors is accurate Thanks On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 7:48 AM ewald kessler | webpower < ewald.kess...@webpower.nl> wrote: > Thanks Lily. > > But what is happening since November 7th? The number of bounces with a "554 > delivery error: dd T

Re: [mailop] Delivery issue at Yahoo

2017-11-10 Thread ewald kessler | webpower
Thanks Lily. But what is happening since November 7th? The number of bounces with a "554 delivery error: dd This user doesn't have a yahoo.com account" error is fairly constant (couple of hundreds a day), but the number of "554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted" bounces is rocketing

Re: [mailop] R: Delivery issue at Yahoo

2017-11-10 Thread Matthias Hank
Hi, On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 12:29:40PM +, Lili Crowley wrote: > They are inactive accounts. They did deliver before, but don't now. The > error code will be updated to reflect the proper state Then maybe you can consider to reject these mails after "RCPT TO:" and not after end of data/final d

Re: [mailop] R: Delivery issue at Yahoo

2017-11-10 Thread Lili Crowley
They are inactive accounts. They did deliver before, but don't now. The error code will be updated to reflect the proper state Thanks On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 7:15 AM SW & Work SaS wrote: > Hi, same things here > > I've not investigated all the logs but surely from this month. > > Shouldn't be c

[mailop] R: Delivery issue at Yahoo

2017-11-10 Thread SW & Work SaS
Hi, same things here I've not investigated all the logs but surely from this month. Shouldn't be content related as it happened on some newsletter mailing too and most of them were delivered (about 5% cases in one day) and it's not due to user account as, in the month, we've seen emails sent

Re: [mailop] Delivery issue at Yahoo

2017-11-10 Thread Lili Crowley
On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 6:31 AM ewald kessler | webpower < ewald.kess...@webpower.nl> wrote: > Customer care says the error indicates that "the Yahoo account that you > are trying to send to is not active." I'm having my doubts about the > correctness (or completeness) of this answer. As Yahoo is

Re: [mailop] Delivery issue at Yahoo

2017-11-10 Thread ewald kessler | webpower
Customer care says the error indicates that "the Yahoo account that you are trying to send to is not active." I'm having my doubts about the correctness (or completeness) of this answer. As Yahoo is still replying with "554 delivery error: dd This user doesn't have a yahoo.com account". -- Delive

Re: [mailop] Delivery issue at Yahoo

2017-11-10 Thread Maarten Oelering
We also noticed a lot of these errors lately. They occur after the final dot. So it could be anything, even header or content related. 2017-11-09 06:11:08 (out 100)<<< MAIL FROM: BODY=8BITMIME 2017-11-09 06:11:08 (out 100)>>> 250 sender ok 2017-11-09 06:11:08 (out 100)<<< RCPT TO: 2017-11-09 06:

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Re: [mailop] Hotmail and 4.5.1 4.7.500 Server Busy with some

2017-11-10 Thread Davide Migliavacca via mailop
I'm starting to open tickets as a business customer of the the Office cloud. Of course it has absolutely nothing to do with this and will get nothing done - but I understand very well the need to build some critical mass of signals that a problem needs attention, to get things rolling in a large

[mailop] Password habits - was Re: Gmail forwarding blowback

2017-11-10 Thread Andrew C Aitchison
On Thu, 9 Nov 2017, Dave Warren wrote: Next, have the user configure Gmail's POP3 account retrieval feature so that Google will retrieve the spam and add it to the mailbox. There will be some degree of latency for the spam to come through, but nothing gets lost. Does Gmail ask for the POP3 p