Re: [mailop] DNS Errors for Microsoft Hostnames

2016-04-28 Thread Michael Wise
So is the FORMERR ... just the resolver noting that EDNS is not supported? If so, I'm uncertain of the issue. We don't use EDNS here, so that's what the “our” servers should be doing, yes? Also, when I replied (“ALL”) to this thread a bit earlier, my response was bounced by one particular r

Re: [mailop] DNS Errors for Microsoft Hostnames

2016-04-28 Thread Franck Martin via mailop
For EDNS to work correctly you MUST accept UDP fragmented packets, or configure your DNS server to advertise a max EDNS packet size of about 1200 bytes. Otherwise, bind, for instance, goes in a series of fallback and by the time the result is available the mail server has moved on... On Thu, Apr

Re: [mailop] DNS Errors for Microsoft Hostnames

2016-04-28 Thread Carl Byington
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Thu, 2016-04-28 at 20:57 +, Michael Wise wrote: > If the "Aware" flag expired, would best practice not be to check that > first rather than presuppose that the facility does exist? The check for "edns aware" involves sending the query with ed

Re: [mailop] DNS Errors for Microsoft Hostnames

2016-04-28 Thread Jim Popovitch
On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 2:18 PM, Rob Heilman wrote: > pitt-edu.mail.protection.outlook.com I haven't been following this discussion, but for the purpose of providing some historical perspective... pitt.edu seemed to have signed their DNS two weekends ago, and upmc.edu signed their DNS last weeke

Re: [mailop] DNS Errors for Microsoft Hostnames

2016-04-28 Thread Michael Wise
"might ... might ..." If the "Aware" flag expired, would best practice not be to check that first rather than presuppose that the facility does exist? I have no exposure to eDNS so far, so don't know much about it at all, but this sounds like an issue with the resolver doing the wrong thing wh

Re: [mailop] DNS Errors for Microsoft Hostnames

2016-04-28 Thread Carl Byington
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Thu, 2016-04-28 at 20:01 +, Michael Wise wrote: > " All this is stating is that DNS++ does not support RFC 2671 EDNS > protocol extensions. > " DNS++ is responding per the RFC by sending the FORMERR back to the > requestor. I believe this is

Re: [mailop] DNS Errors for Microsoft Hostnames

2016-04-28 Thread Michael Wise
" All this is stating is that DNS++ does not support RFC 2671 EDNS protocol extensions. " DNS++ is responding per the RFC by sending the FORMERR back to the requestor. I believe this is OK. Maybe we don’t understand the issue? DNS++ is apparently what we're using on our end. Is this behavior n

Re: [mailop] DNS Errors for Microsoft Hostnames

2016-04-28 Thread Michelle Sullivan
Rose, Scott wrote: outlook.com isn’t signed, so I doubt it is a DNSSEC error (though they look the same). BIND should see that it isn’t signed and just roll with it. Could be that a server in the chain isn’t responding (whatever serves the mail.protection.outlook.com zone). We use Office365

Re: [mailop] DNS Errors for Microsoft Hostnames

2016-04-28 Thread Michael Wise
BTW, just so y'all know, I'm poking people internally to get this looked at. Thanks! Aloha, Michael. -- Michael J Wise | Microsoft | Spam Analysis | "Your Spam Specimen Has Been Processed." | Got the Junk Mail Reporting Tool ? -Original Message- From: mailop [mailto:mailop-boun...@mailo

Re: [mailop] DNS Errors for Microsoft Hostnames

2016-04-28 Thread Carl Byington
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Thu, 2016-04-28 at 11:41 -0700, Steve Atkins wrote: > Looks like (some of) the Microsoft authoritative servers are confused > by dnssec. > ~ ? dig +dnssec @ns1-proddns.glbdns.o365filtering.com pitt- > edu.mail.protection.outlook.com confused by

Re: [mailop] DNS Errors for Microsoft Hostnames

2016-04-28 Thread Steve Atkins
> On Apr 28, 2016, at 11:18 AM, Rob Heilman wrote: > > We are seeing intermittent but frequent SERVFAIL errors for Microsoft owned > hostnames in MX records. Specifically with *.mail.protection.outlook.com > hostnames. In the BIND logs we see something like this: > > 28-Apr-2016 13:35:01.13

Re: [mailop] DNS Errors for Microsoft Hostnames

2016-04-28 Thread Rose, Scott
outlook.com isn’t signed, so I doubt it is a DNSSEC error (though they look the same). BIND should see that it isn’t signed and just roll with it. Could be that a server in the chain isn’t responding (whatever serves the mail.protection.outlook.com zone). We use Office365 too, and have heard

[mailop] DNS Errors for Microsoft Hostnames

2016-04-28 Thread Rob Heilman
We are seeing intermittent but frequent SERVFAIL errors for Microsoft owned hostnames in MX records. Specifically with *.mail.protection.outlook.com hostnames. In the BIND logs we see something like this: 28-Apr-2016 13:35:01.139 query-errors: debug 1: client 10.10.10.96#48950 (pitt-edu.mail.