Re: Accessible Games

2012-09-03 Thread Harry Hogue
They don't have to be inherently accessible, of course, but as they're designed for sighted gamers it makes sense that there could possibly be some access issues Thanks for your thoughts. Harry On Sep 2, 2012, at 11:22 PM, Timothy Clark Music wrote: > correct me if i'm wrong but the we syst

Re: moving through extras menus in Mountain Lion

2012-09-03 Thread Johnny Angel!
Hi all, I have a question. I am able t get into extras alright, but am unable to close extras. Perhaps, I'm not understanding how extras is used ? Any ideas on this? Is anyone else experiencing this? John On Aug 31, 2012, at 1:41 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: > The "extras" are really a group

Re: tagging people on Facebook?

2012-09-03 Thread Teresa Cochran
You should also be able to press the @ symbol followed by part of the name, followed by enter. (for example, "@John Smith" without the quotes, then return. Most of the time, it will autocomplete for you. Teresa On Sep 2, 2012, at 6:19 PM, Brandon Olivares wrote: > Hello, > > Just start typin

Re: moving through extras menus in Mountain Lion

2012-09-03 Thread Teresa Cochran
You can simply press escape to get out of this menu. Extras is more like a collection of icons than a menu. It's set up near the menu bar. Teresa On Aug 30, 2012, at 7:10 PM, Alex Hall wrote: > I emailed apple about using just arrows to move around extras menus, but this > is their response.

Re: WMV and other windows formats on the Mac

2012-09-03 Thread Teresa Cochran
You can use flip4Mac. http://www.telestream.net/flip4mac/overview.htm HtH, Teresa On Sep 2, 2012, at 11:54 PM, agent086b wrote: > Hi all, > what player can we use to play Windows Media Files on the Mac? > Thanks for any help. > Max. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscrib

Re: tagging people on Facebook?

2012-09-03 Thread Donna Goodin
Hi Brandon, That didn't seem to work, but maybe I screwed it up somehow. I'll give it another shot. Thanks, Donna On Sep 2, 2012, at 8:19 PM, Brandon Olivares wrote: > Hello, > > Just start typing their name. Then you can navigate the suggestions with up > and down arrow. Once you have chose

Re: tagging people on Facebook?

2012-09-03 Thread Donna Goodin
Hi Teresa, Yeah, I used to tag people that way all the time, but under this latest FB version, it doesn't seem to work any more. Thanks, Donna On Sep 3, 2012, at 3:29 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: > You should also be able to press the @ symbol followed by part of the name, > followed by enter. (f

Re: WMV and other windows formats on the Mac

2012-09-03 Thread Gavin Grundlingh
Hi Max, VLC Media Player will handle Windows media files, whether audio or video. Regards, Gavin Grundlingh Phone: +27 (0) 83 713-6191 Secondary Phone: +27 (0) 79 157-2466 Fax: +27 (0) 86 617-5792 Email: g.batw...@gmail.com Secondary Email: customtra...@live.co.za Skype: Batworx Facebook: http:/

Re: Accessible Games

2012-09-03 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi, What sets the wii apart is, many games are interactive. Meaning, you actually need to move. for example, playing baseball, you hold the wii mote like a bat and swing. Or, you do a throwing motion while pitching. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.applet

Updating to ML

2012-09-03 Thread Shannon Dyer
Hi, all. Today, I'm updating from Snow Leopard to Mountain Lion. Are there particular things I need to be aware of? Anything you think would be helpful for me to know will be greatly appreciated. Shannon Shannon Dyer Alumni Council Member, Guide Dog Foundation for the Blind, Inc ® and America'

Re: Updating to ML

2012-09-03 Thread Johanna Herranen
Hi, Good luck with your update! I'm only familiar with Lion, so don't know all the differences, but I'd be glad to help if I can. Some of the biggest things probably are the new messages app, that will replace iChat, and also iOs-type Notification center. The upgrade process itself should be s

Re: Using Eclipse on the Mac

2012-09-03 Thread Jonathan C. Cohn
John, Sorry for the late response. I don't do a lot of looking at this list anymore. Eclipse is written by IBM so there is a bit more of a chance that it is accessible. It is written in java, however. You should be able to download it from developerworks within the IBM site. Eclipse is a f

Re: tagging people on Facebook?

2012-09-03 Thread Joanna West
I have never been able to tag people on Facebook. If there are any other suggesttions, it would be much appreciated. Love endures all things. On Sep 3, 2012, at 5:19 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: > Hi Brandon, > > That didn't seem to work, but maybe I screwed it up somehow. I'll give it > anothe

Help With Fusion

2012-09-03 Thread Scott Rumery
Hello, I am trying to use Fusion to install a VM of Ubuntu Linux on my Mac. This is my first time trying Fusion and I really do not know how to use this program yet. Is there anyone on the list that has experience with Fusion, and if so, would you be willing to give me some tips on how to use

Re: Updating to ML

2012-09-03 Thread Shannon Dyer
Thank you. The extras thing sounds fabulous. And, my system is backing up as I type this. Shannon Shannon Dyer Alumni Council Member, Guide Dog Foundation for the Blind, Inc ® and America's VetDogs®, The Veteran's K-9 Corps Inc ® Providing "Second Sight" ® since 1946 371 E. Jericho Turnpike, Sm

Re: Accessible Games

2012-09-03 Thread Timothy Clark Music
oh, i see how that could be a problem then. never knew that. Timothy Your Friend in the music industry http://www.timothyclarkmusic.tumblr.com On Sep 3, 2012, at 8:10 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > Hi, > > What sets the wii apart is, many games are interactive. Meaning, you > actually ne

1password storing attachments with an item

2012-09-03 Thread Paul Erkens
Hi Robert Carter and hopefully others, I'm finding more uses and work arounds for 1password every so often, and I'm looking for one now too. I can't seem to store a file attachment with an item in 1password for mac. I have a software license that I'd like to store, and filling that out and havi

Re: tagging people on Facebook?

2012-09-03 Thread Hank Smith
what configuration? can some one fill me in here? On 9/3/2012 1:29 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: You should also be able to press the @ symbol followed by part of the name, followed by enter. (for example, "@John Smith" without the quotes, then return. Most of the time, it will autocomplete for you

Re: tagging people on Facebook?

2012-09-03 Thread Brandon Olivares
Hi Donna, I just tried it. It seems only to work if you've tabbed into the field. So what seems to work is if you point the voiceover curser on the status field, hit tab and then shift tab to be entered again onto the status field. Then begin typing the name, and hit down arrow for the first su

Re: 1password storing attachments with an item

2012-09-03 Thread Robert Carter
Hi Paul, I haven't tried this myself, but I am wondering if the drag and drop features of VoiceOver will do what you want. Just make sure that both the finder window and the 1password window are visible on screen at the same time. Robert Carter On Sep 3, 2012, at 11:53 AM, Paul Erkens wrote:

Re: Help With Fusion

2012-09-03 Thread Gavin Grundlingh
Hi Scott, I use fusion every day to do my backing tracks in Windows. Should we do a Q and A over email for me to tell you what you need to know, or would you prefer a voice chat over Skype? Regards, Gavin Grundlingh Phone: +27 (0) 83 713-6191 Secondary Phone: +27 (0) 79 157-2466 Fax: +27 (0) 8

Re: Help With Fusion

2012-09-03 Thread Chris Bruinenberg
Hi all. The one area I have issues with is giving the vm focus. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 3, 2012, at 10:49 AM, Gavin Grundlingh wrote: > Hi Scott, > > I use fusion every day to do my backing tracks in Windows. Should we do a Q > and A over email for me to tell you what you need to know, or

Re: In search of accessible password vault

2012-09-03 Thread Paul Erkens
Hi, By the time of this writing, 1Password is accessible, as long as you stick with the app itself, and don't bother with its safari extension, other than auto filling in a login once you are on that page. You can easily google 1password, but to answer your questions: yes it is multi platform,

Re: Help With Fusion

2012-09-03 Thread Scott Rumery
Hi Gavin, I am trying to use Fusion with Linux for right now. I chose Linux because it is free and I don't yet have a copy of Windows to install in a VM. I did install Ubuntu Linux in a VM but I do not know how to begin working in the Lunux environment. Do you think that you might be able h

Re: Accessible Games

2012-09-03 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi, I actually think its a good thing, not a bad thing. Especially with sports. I can play baseball and bowling for hours. lol Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Sep 3, 2012, at 11:49 AM, Timothy Clark Music wrote: > oh, i see how t

Re: Help With Fusion

2012-09-03 Thread Gavin Grundlingh
I've used Linux for a while, I'm sure I'll be able to help you. I could even install a copy of the same version of Linux you're running, so we can go through settings together and troubleshoot any problems that may come up. Regards, Gavin Grundlingh Phone: +27 (0) 83 713-6191 Secondary Phone: +

Fwd: Unable to determine people's answers to my questions on EHarmony

2012-09-03 Thread erik burggraaf
Hi, Here's the relevant portion of the old thread on Eharmony. Best, Erik Begin forwarded message: > From: Eric Brinkman > Date: July 8, 2012 4:45:32 PM EDT > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Unable to determine people's answers to my questions on EHarmony > Reply-To: macvisi

Re: Help With Fusion

2012-09-03 Thread Scott Rumery
Are you available now? On Sep 3, 2012, at 2:18 PM, Gavin Grundlingh wrote: > I've used Linux for a while, I'm sure I'll be able to help you. I could even > install a copy of the same version of Linux you're running, so we can go > through settings together and troubleshoot any problems that may

Re: VO and eHarmony

2012-09-03 Thread erik burggraaf
Hi Karen. I did this when I first joined up. I even offered to do some free consulting on the side to help make the site better so that I could use it. I got an answer back that was so ignorent, I probably should have cancelled my subscription then and there. Best, Erik Burggraaf Introducin

Re: Help With Fusion

2012-09-03 Thread Gavin Grundlingh
Sure. Should I add you to my Skype contacts, or wait for you to add me to yours? Regards, Gavin Grundlingh Phone: +27 (0) 83 713-6191 Secondary Phone: +27 (0) 79 157-2466 Fax: +27 (0) 86 617-5792 Email: g.batw...@gmail.com Secondary Email: customtra...@live.co.za Skype: Batworx Facebook: http://w

Re: Help With Fusion

2012-09-03 Thread Scott Rumery
I already added you, I'm just waiting for you to confirm. On Sep 3, 2012, at 2:31 PM, Gavin Grundlingh wrote: > Sure. Should I add you to my Skype contacts, or wait for you to add me to > yours? > > Regards, > > Gavin Grundlingh > Phone: +27 (0) 83 713-6191 > Secondary Phone: +27 (0) 79 157-24

Jumping to Footnotes in Pages

2012-09-03 Thread Brandon Olivares
Hello, In Pages, is there a way to jump from a footnote reference to the footnote itself, and then back to the reference? Thanks, Brandon -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@go

[Maccessibility] The New Maccessibility Is Here

2012-09-03 Thread Maccessibility
Title: [Maccessibility] The New Maccessibility Is Here Maccessibility has posted a new item, 'The New Maccessibility Is Here' As we noted previously on Twitter, we’ve been working on an overhaul of our web site and services. We have launched the start of these changes today. We’ve taken an Apple-

Re: Unable to determine people's answers to my questions on EHarmony

2012-09-03 Thread Emilio
Hello, Based on my experience, the best approach I have found to determine potential partner answers is to use Windows and JAWS. Once focus is placed or highlighted on the set of possible answers, hit the down-arrow key and press insert-F to hear if the text is bold. Once you locate the bold text,

New to Group

2012-09-03 Thread N2KPV
Hello to All, I have only been in this group for a few days and I have already learned alot from you guys. I purchased my mac about 11 months ago and was a windows xp user before that. I am visually impaired and used ZooomText on my xp. On my mac laptop I use a combination of voiceover an

Re: Unable to determine people's answers to my questions on EHarmony

2012-09-03 Thread erik burggraaf
Ah, but not to be contrary. This is the mac visionaries list. Although it's highly probable that most users have access to a windows screen reader, we can't assume such, as any and all work arounds involving windows screen readers are off topic for the list. Plus, it's safe to assume that eve

Fax Services

2012-09-03 Thread Emilio Hernandez
Hello everyone, I am unable to find the post dealing with online faxing. Can who ever found a viable solution please post the company that has been suggested for such purposes? Thank you. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To p

Re: New to Group

2012-09-03 Thread christopher hallsworth
Hello all. I am blind with light perception and use VoiceOver only. I only had my mac two weeks and am still learning but love it lots compared to my Windows 7 laptop which I do use every few days just to keep up with my Windows skills. Hope this helps you and your wife. Sent from my mac On 3

google voice

2012-09-03 Thread Timothy Clark Music
Hello all - I've got a dashboard client on my mac called GV connect. I've been using voice-mac to use google voice. you need to open gmail though to use it. the dashboard client GV Connect doesn't work. it just sits there when you dyle or text a number. any ideas? Timothy Your Friend

RE: New to Group

2012-09-03 Thread Paul Hunt
Hello Ben. If your wife doesn't do anything that requires the use of Microsoft Office she will do well with the Mac. If, however, she needs to use Microsoft Office then her best bet would be to use Microsoft Windows for Microsoft Office related tasks. There is IWork on the Mac but the accessibility

vm ware

2012-09-03 Thread Walter Harper
Hello listers, Do anything major because I'm not trying not to loose my jaws activation. How do I fix the windows installer in VM ware fusion 4? I am running it on a macbook pro and the error message I'm getting is that windows installer service can't be accessed. I'm afraid to -- You recei

Re: New to Group

2012-09-03 Thread Ben Constantini
Thaks Paul, she does email, newspapers, facebook ect. , and I think she is beginning to get annoyed with the Jaws works with vista. I will have to let her play with my mac to see how she likes it. Ben Constantini ben.n2...@verizon.net Sent from my Mac On Sep 3, 2012, at 7:05 PM, Paul H

A Question Regarding Braille Display Proof Reading

2012-09-03 Thread M. Taylor
Hello Everyone, OK, so far I have been unable to get this to work in Windows 7 using Jaws so now I'm considering using my Mac with either Pages or Text Edit. To be honest, I don't care what I use as long as I can get the job done. My objective: I need to proof an extremely long MS Word document

New to Group

2012-09-03 Thread Ben Constantini
Hi Chris , thanks for the info and good luck with your new mac. Ben Constantini ben.n2...@verizon.net Sent from my Mac -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To u

getting error -19162 when I try to stream a local tV station

2012-09-03 Thread Ray Foret Jr
Hi there, Can anybody stream this: http://www.kfolkjun.com/htv/LiveFeed.aspx Every time I try to stream it, Nothing happens. I see the link which says, "launch external player" and when I click it, I get this. "The Operation could not be completed. OSStatus Error -19162". I have the latest

Re: Unable to determine people's answers to my questions on EHarmony

2012-09-03 Thread Kevin Shaw
Erik, In my experience running VO under Lion and the latest version of Safari, the match's answers will appear immediately below yours on the actual match page. For example: What is your favourite dipping sauce at McDonald's? Sweet and sour. Sweet and sour. The second line is your match's answe

How to get to the toolbar in Mail

2012-09-03 Thread agent086b
Hi all, after 24 hours I am making progress with the iMac. Not sure what I think about Mail but we will see! How do I get to the toolbar to forward or delete messages etc. I have landed there from time to time but I can not work out how I did this. Is there a keystroke or something? Thanks for

Re: How to get to the toolbar in Mail

2012-09-03 Thread Brandon Olivares
The way to get to the toolbar in any application is to press control+f5, (with the function key usually). Brandon On Sep 3, 2012, at 8:10 PM, agent086b wrote: > Hi all, > after 24 hours I am making progress with the iMac. > Not sure what I think about Mail but we will see! > How do I get to the

Re: google voice

2012-09-03 Thread Deb Lewis
So how are you making Google Voice calls? Did you find a workable sIP client? appears that's required. Not sure why the dashboard app doesn't do anything. On Sep 3, 2012, at 3:57 PM, Timothy Clark Music wrote: > Hello all - > I've got a dashboard client on my mac called GV connect. > I've

Re: google voice

2012-09-03 Thread Timothy Clark Music
nope, i use voice mac to make the calls. you need gmail open to use it though. Timothy Your Friend in the music industry http://www.timothyclarkmusic.tumblr.com On Sep 3, 2012, at 8:21 PM, Deb Lewis wrote: > So how are you making Google Voice calls? Did you find a workable sIP client? >

Re: tagging people on Facebook?

2012-09-03 Thread Donna Goodin
Hey Brandon, Thanks, that worked. I hadn't done the Tab and then Shift-tab bit, I guess that makes the difference. Thanks for sorting that out. Cheers, Donna On Sep 3, 2012, at 12:02 PM, Brandon Olivares wrote: > Hi Donna, > > I just tried it. It seems only to work if you've tabbed into the

Re: How to get to the toolbar in Mail

2012-09-03 Thread agent086b
Thanks for that. I read in the help I must select the message to forward it then go to the toolbar and forward it. I find the forward button is dim so can't do it. I must not be selecting the message first or something. Max. Original Message Subject: Re: How to get to the too

Re: How to get to the toolbar in Mail

2012-09-03 Thread Brandon Olivares
Hello, Just allow the voiceover cursor to be on the message, then hit forward and it should work. But there are keywords for all of this; they are as follows: Forward: command-shift-f Reply: command-r Reply all: command-shift-r Delete: Press the delete key Send a message: command-shift-d On Sep

Re: How to get to the toolbar in Mail

2012-09-03 Thread Christine Olivares
YOu know, you don't need the toolbar to forward. Just press command shift F to forward. YOu don't even have to have the message open. Just make sure you use your arrows so it reads the message you want to forward, then press command shift F. On Sep 3, 2012, at 8:36 PM, agent086b wrote: > > Th

Re: google voice

2012-09-03 Thread Deb Lewis
Downloaded it but don't see any installer in the zip archive. Have looked through various of the subfolders. On Sep 3, 2012, at 5:23 PM, Timothy Clark Music wrote: > nope, i use voice mac to make the calls. > you need gmail open to use it though. > Timothy > Your Friend in the music indu

Re: google voice

2012-09-03 Thread Timothy Clark Music
oh, if you have Skype then just add me. i'll send it over to you and i can help you with it if need be. i'm just trying to figure out why the gv connect on the mac doesn't work. i can do texting and everything with voice mac. Timothy Your Friend in the music industry http://www.timoth

Re: google voice

2012-09-03 Thread Deb Lewis
GV Connect on the iPhone requires an external SIP client. I use Talkatone for that on the phone. I'm wondering if it needs a separate sIP client on the Mac as well. Should be able to text though without that. On Sep 3, 2012, at 5:55 PM, Timothy Clark Music wrote: > oh, if you have Skype then

Re: Unable to determine people's answers to my questions on EHarmony

2012-09-03 Thread John Panarese
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Re: google voice

2012-09-03 Thread Deb Lewis
OK. I got the GV Connect to work. But it's pretty useless. I at least did something outgoing so far. But it just allowed you to select one of your Google phones to place the call through it. didn't allow you to use the Mac to make the call because it doesn't have a sIP client. So not sure it rea

Re: google voice

2012-09-03 Thread Timothy Clark Music
that is prob the problem. i will stick with voice mac i guess. it's also a SIP client made just for google. I think it's SIP anyways. I know it works. that's it. lol. Timothy Your Friend in the music industry http://www.timothyclarkmusic.tumblr.com On Sep 3, 2012, at 9:00 PM, Deb Lewis

Getting an Application Key in windows.

2012-09-03 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
Hi All. I have mapped my keys in Fusion under the Key mapping tab when using jaws. However, I do not know how to get an Application key under key mapping although I have tried. I want to map the right option key but each time I do and when going back in windows, when pressing the right option

Re: google voice

2012-09-03 Thread Deb Lewis
Yes, I have both GV Connect and Voice-Mac installed. GV connect definitely is strictly a google conduit with no way to connect to sIP that I can see. That would come from a third party. I found the actual app for Voice-Mac and have my Google Voice set up in it but don't see how to set up or acti

itext question

2012-09-03 Thread Chris Bruinenberg
Hi all. If i open a large document with text express, how can i scroll to the next page? Thanks. Chris Sent from my macbook pro. Chris Bruinenberg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisi

Re: New to Group

2012-09-03 Thread Shawn Krasniuk
Hey Ben. Welcome to the list. I've had my Mac for 2 years this November and I really like it. Even though I have a little vision, it's not enough to see the screen so I only use Voiceover. And contrary to what Paul was saying, I've used a combination of Iwork and Textedit and I've had no problem

Re: google voice

2012-09-03 Thread Timothy Clark Music
yes. that's truly a pain to set up. you have to set it to use your gmail account and you have to have the gmail page loaded when you are using the client. it calls gmail and you have to answer it using gmail. it's weird but it works. Timothy Your Friend in the music industry http://www

Re: Updating to ML

2012-09-03 Thread Shawn Krasniuk
Hi Shannon. As long as you have a 2010 Mac Book or later, you should have no problems upgrading to ML. This OS is the bomb, I really like the new features. Shawn Sent from my white Mac Book On 2012-09-03, at 2:18 PM, macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote: -- You received this message because

pal talk on the mac

2012-09-03 Thread Timothy Clark Music
hello - being blind i was wandering if there was a pal talk for the mac? it looks as if there is but it looks like a pain to download. any thoughts? thanks Timothy Your Friend in the music industry http://www.timothyclarkmusic.tumblr.com 7244011224 -- You received this message bec

Re: google voice

2012-09-03 Thread Deb Lewis
But I guess I'm missing something. where do you tell it to use Gmail? Do you mean in the contacts? The docs file doesn't read well but they talk about a dial pad etc. On Sep 3, 2012, at 8:09 PM, Timothy Clark Music wrote: > yes. that's truly a pain to set up. > you have to set it to use you

safari

2012-09-03 Thread May and Noah
Good evening. Is there a way to reinstall Safari? For the past couple of hours it has not opened. I keep getting the error message that Safari has closed unexpectantly whenever I try to open it. I was considering doing a clean install of Mountain to see if this would fix it, but thought I'd ch

Re: google voice

2012-09-03 Thread Timothy Clark Music
nope you have to do it within the application. it says ring and you'll set it to your gmail. Timothy Your Friend in the music industry http://www.timothyclarkmusic.tumblr.com On Sep 3, 2012, at 11:50 PM, Deb Lewis wrote: > But I guess I'm missing something. where do you tell it to use Gm

Re: Jumping to Footnotes in Pages

2012-09-03 Thread Jürgen Fleger
Simple answer: no Please write to accessibil...@apple.com to explain to Apple why VO users need these functionallities as well. Jürgen Am 03.09.2012 um 21:10 schrieb Brandon Olivares : > Hello, > > In Pages, is there a way to jump from a footnote reference to the footnote > itself, and then bac

Re: Jumping to Footnotes in Pages

2012-09-03 Thread Brandon Olivares
Thank you. I have done so. :) On Sep 4, 2012, at 1:43 AM, Jürgen Fleger wrote: > Simple answer: no > Please write to > accessibil...@apple.com > to explain to Apple why VO users need these functionallities as well. > Jürgen > Am 03.09.2012 um 21:10 schrieb Brandon Olivares : > >> Hello, >> >>

Re: Jumping to Footnotes in Pages

2012-09-03 Thread Chris Bruinenberg
Thank you. I will do the same! Sent from my iPhone On Sep 3, 2012, at 10:47 PM, Brandon Olivares wrote: > Thank you. I have done so. :) > On Sep 4, 2012, at 1:43 AM, Jürgen Fleger wrote: > >> Simple answer: no >> Please write to >> accessibil...@apple.com >> to explain to Apple why VO users