At this point it seems as if you're just blathering. -learning- a
language means you know the standard libraries with it. Most people
don't need the standard c libraries because they have the objc
foundation framework. But again, if you're willing to believe that by
programming in objc (which i
But again, those are simply features of Objective-C. If you simply don't use
Objective-C features and therefore Objective-C syntax, your program is valid C
source. So if you learn the entire grammar of Objective-C, you also know the
entire grammar of C, no matter how incidental it is to your u
Objective C is a super set of C. It is the objective component of C. If
someone learns objc, it is a reasonable assumption that they have a lot of C
experience. If they don't' then they are going to have to learn C. You never
just right a program in OBJC. You always have C mixed in with it
I beg to differ. Learning objective c -does not- mean that you know c.
As I already said, objective c handles resource allocation and deletion
for you via ARC. c also works differently in a lot of cases where
objective c does not. Sure you don't have classes, but there are other
differences as
I should have been clearer when I said that by learning Objective C one would
inherently know how to program in C, because I really meant to emphasise that
it's C you should learn, but as it happens it's actually the case, because
Objective-C is a proper superset of C, unlike C++. So while you
Is this book on swift for beginning programmers though?
Devin Prater
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On Jul 5, 2014, at 7:24 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
> I feel a little bit guilty for saying this, as I just *know* there's a clear
> conflict of interest going on here, but ...
>
> It's obvious that Swif
I have one point to make here:
Learning objective c doesn't mean that one inherently knows C. C does
not have ARC for example. Just as learning c++ does not really mean one
knows C.
Swift may be the language they want you to use eventually because it has
a higher-level feel to it, but I don't
I feel a little bit guilty for saying this, as I just *know* there's a clear
conflict of interest going on here, but ...
It's obvious that Swift is the language Apple want you to use, and I don't want
to discourage you from that, because it's clearly designed for efficiency and
enjoyment. But
There's not, if you have Cara's address you might want to shoot her an
email off list or nudge her here, as she's the admin.
On 7/5/2014 5:23 PM, Tristan wrote:
Hi,
I subscribed to MV-Dev about a month ago, and my request was either
not seen or not approved. Just tried again; is there some sort
Hi,
I subscribed to MV-Dev about a month ago, and my request was either
not seen or not approved. Just tried again; is there some sort of
criteria that I must meet?
On 7/5/14, Alex Hall wrote:
> Again, no one can even use Swift right now; you'll need Xcode 6, or at least
> a beta of it. Plus, eve
Again, no one can even use Swift right now; you'll need Xcode 6, or at least a
beta of it. Plus, even as Swift takes over, plenty of the tutorials you find
will continue to be in Objective-C. Finally, most Cocoa and Cocoa Touch headers
will be in Objective-C for quite a while, I imagine, so if y
Why just objective c? Why not start out with Swift?
Devin Prater
d.pra...@me.com
On Jul 5, 2014, at 7:35 AM, Alex Hall wrote:
> Free is indeed best. :) I recommend simply googling "learn objective-c" to
> start with, and reading the tutorials you find. Some will make more sense
> than others
While I certainly agree that Swift is the future, just remember that you can't
do much with it until Yosemite is released with Xcode 6. To my knowledge, and I
hope I'm wrong, there is no way to do anything with Swift right now unless you
are also testing the Xcode 6 beta, which itself requires a
Hi Dawn.
The best language to start learning at this point is swift. Objective C is
probably going to be fazed out within the next few years. A good place to
start is https://developer.apple.com/swift/.
Also, all of the sessions from WWDC 2014 are available to the public on
developer.apple.co
Thanks Kevin! :)
Dawn
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> On Jul 5, 2014, at 8:41 AM, "Kevin Shaw" wrote:
>
> Hi Dawn,
>
> One of the best resources is sitting on your Mac in iTunes. iTunes U has
> several Mac programming courses that will help you conceptually understand
> what's happening under the hoo
Hi Dawn,
One of the best resources is sitting on your Mac in iTunes. iTunes U has
several Mac programming courses that will help you conceptually understand
what's happening under the hood of your iDevice. some courses come with
material to follow along with, but you can also supplement this by
Thanks so much! :) This is the sort of help I was looking for! Thanks for the
list recommendation as well as I was looking for one.
Dawn
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jul 5, 2014, at 8:35 AM, "Alex Hall" wrote:
>
> Free is indeed best. :) I recommend simply googling "learn objective-c" to
> star
Free is indeed best. :) I recommend simply googling "learn objective-c" to
start with, and reading the tutorials you find. Some will make more sense than
others, but which ones depend on your background, learning style, and so forth.
For using Xcode, www.applevis.com has a few guides and forums
Hi everyone,
I've been a lurker on this list for a while now. I've become interested
in learning how to program, specifically to build apps for iOS, to start with
at least. But, I'm wondering where is a good place to start learning, and where
are there good educational resources for lea
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