The Voice OVer information at:
www.apple.com/accessibility.com
should be a good place to get started. Also, when you get your new Mac, and
voice Over is turned on, if you press cmd+H twice, you’ll be brought right in
to the list of all the Voice OVer commands.
Sent from my Mac, the only comp
I am going to be speaking with the president of Fedora on Monday. Thank you
very much for the document! Smiles
Hope Paulos
> On Dec 7, 2013, at 3:30 PM, Scott Rumery wrote:
>
> Hi Hope
>
> This is Scott from the All In Access podcast which by the way you haven’t
> made your debut on yet. I
I definitely agree with your comment about the similarities and when I teach
someone that is having trouble getting comfortable on the Mac I will always
make comparisons to Windows because this is what they know.
Have a great day,
Scott
On Dec 7, 2013, at 1:30 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
> Hi
Hi Hope
This is Scott from the All In Access podcast which by the way you haven’t made
your debut on yet. I have a document with all of the VoiceOver keystrokes I
will put this in my public DropBox folder for anyone who might want it.
If when you get your new Mac you find that you are having a
I would love the files. Thank you so much for the offer.
Hope Paulos
> On Dec 7, 2013, at 1:30 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
>
> Hi Hope
> Congratulations on such a nice Christmas present.
>
> There are two types of keystrokes you will want. One type is Macintosh
> keyboard commands. the other
Hi Hope
Congratulations on such a nice Christmas present.
There are two types of keystrokes you will want. One type is Macintosh keyboard
commands. the other type is VoiceOver commands. I have two files, one for each
type. do you want them?
It only took me about two weeks to change from the
Hi all. Will be getting new Mac for Christmas. Where can I find list of
keystrokes? I'm a PC user.
Thanks.
Hope Paulos
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That was my experience too, Richard but I didn't interact enough lol. I
accepted change, made mistakes, laughed at myself and carried on.
On 2013-01-14, at 5:24 PM, Richard Ring wrote:
> I firmly believe that my computer knowledge has greatly assisted me in
> learning the Mac. I started out bac
That's very helpful. I new option up and down used to work in mail but never
new it worked else ware. That will simplify finder etc quite a lot.
Danny:
Always learning, never shutting up.
On 15/01/2013, at 12:26 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
> Hi,
>
> This often depends on the list. Option up/do
Hi,
This often depends on the list. Option up/down arrow works in many situations.
For example, in the finder and YoruFukurou. I've also made a shortcut with
the keyboard commander and my trackpad commander to lesson the keystrokes for
when option up/down arrow doesn't work.
Ricardo Walke
I firmly believe that my computer knowledge has greatly assisted me in learning
the Mac. I started out back in the dark ages as a DOS user. Then I moved to
Windows and used it through version 7. What I think both operating systems have
in common is that both run computers. In other words, in bot
What helped me the most was my dealings with iOs. I got used to most of the
keyboard commands with my bluetooth keyboard, so I was pretty prepared to take
on the mac when I got it.
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On 14 Jan 2013, at 6:30 PM, Danny Noonan wrote:
If though you had a command to mov
If though you had a command to move to the top of a list with out having to
interact each time I'd be much happier vo shift home is painful if you forget
to interact first. Apparently before lion this was much easier. I do long for
home, end, page up and down to work a tad more like in windows.
Hi,
I used to interact a lot when I was new, though I never did wight he finder.
However, I have a nutty question so feel free to run me out of here. Do people
who have or used to have sight find it easier because they can visualize the
window and what it looked like? I have become better since
I agree it's not just the mac. In windows it's fairly standard in the OS and
core software like mail ie windows explorer etc. I also understand my using
windows for so long means I'm some what blinkered to its inconsistencies and a
life long mac user would likely have as many problems moving to
Hello,
I'd like to point out something about interacting. I've noticed that many
people interact when it is totally unnecessary. Not saying your doing this
mind you but, it is something I noticed many new users or, those who use a Mac
occasionally do. For example, I've seen people interact w
Hi,
I can honestly say, I've encountered similar things on windows using Jaws.
Certain commands will work in one application, or in a certain instance, but
not in another. I honestly can't say if VO on the Mac does this more or less.
I guess thats pretty subjective. But, I don't think its s
When the concept works, it's great but all the times it's broken, it sux. Some
times, VO J doesn't move you between all areas you want access too. You can't
always jump to a table unless your interacting with another table or similar
area. Unless I don't know a cool command, there's no way to qu
Concepts do go across both platforms but then those little inconsistencies bug
me. In text editors and the like, you have your good old command x cut but in
finder, you have to use copy command c and then move at the other end with
command option v. Why?! As far as I know Command X isn't used. W
Interacting, once you get used to it, is actually a wonderful thing. It allows
me to quickly skip across frames in web pages and groups of buttons, tables,
etc.
Harry
On Jan 14, 2013, at 4:12 PM, Kerri wrote:
> I have to say that this is true when I became a mac user. What I found tough
> w
I have to say that this is true when I became a mac user. What I found tough
was that blasted interacting, I still detest it vehemently. But forgetting
windows completely for me, was not a huge help because of the concepts that are
the same across the board.
On 2013-01-14, at 4:51 AM, erik burgg
I agree.
I think instead of forgetting about windows, its more like forgetting about
your screen reader for windows. In my opinion, Voiceover and Windows screen
readers have more differences than the Actual OSs.
Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
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You know, As an instructor, some times I find this advice helpful and
sometimes not. While it is useful at times to torpido peoples pre-conceptions,
it is true that a number of concepts are the same across the board, such as
file browsing, email reading, and copying/pasting. Some users Won't
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From: "Cheree Heppe"
To:
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 11:27 PM
Subject: Re: How to help blind people new to Mac learn it as fast and smooth
as possible
Cheree Heppe here:
From what has been recently posted about learning how to use an MBA and Mac
computers, and based
ction (VO K)
4) , explore and get very frustrated over and over again until
frustration goes away.
- Original Message - From: "David Hole"
mailto:balubathebr...@gmail.com>>
To: "MacVisionaries" <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, J
r tutorial by pressing VO, Command, F8
> 2) repeatedly read the mountain lion with VoiceOver manual. It can be found
> on Apple's website, and also under the VoiceOver help menu (VO H)
>
> 3) make liberal use of the keyboard help function (VO K)
> 4) , explore and get very fr
the VoiceOver help menu (VO H)
3) make liberal use of the keyboard help function (VO K)
4) , explore and get very frustrated over and over again until frustration goes
away.
- Original Message - From: "David Hole"
To: "MacVisionaries"
Sent: Wednesday, January 09,
The one thing that someone told me helped the most. Forget everything you know
about windows! The 2 systems are as different as night and day, so open your
mind, and learn the new OS, because even though your not a knew computer user,
the system is new to you. Once you do this, everything wil
bject: How to help blind people new to Mac learn it as fast and smooth as
possible
Hi folks.
As far as I know, there are many here in this group who are helping
blind people switching from Windows to Mac.
Do you have any strategies to help them get fast into the VoiceOver
commands, an
m: "Cheree Heppe"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: How to help blind people new to Mac learn it as fast and smooth
as possible
Cheree Heppe here:
This topic comes at a great time, as, with this newly acquired MaccBook Air,
I am experiencing difficulties.
First
bit challenging for some people. For me, I cought on almost
over night, but there are those who dont.
Thank you kindly,
Christopher-Mark Gilland.
Founder of CLG Productions
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From: "David Hole"
To: "MacVisionaries"
Sent: Wednesday, January 09,
bsite, and also under the VoiceOver help menu (VO H)
>
> 3) make liberal use of the keyboard help function (VO K)
> 4) , explore and get very frustrated over and over again until frustration
> goes away.
>
> - Original Message - From: "David Hole"
> To: "Mac
O K)
> 4) , explore and get very frustrated over and over again until frustration
> goes away.
>
> - Original Message - From: "David Hole"
> To: "MacVisionaries"
> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 12:28 PM
> Subject: How to help blind people new to
eyboard help function (VO K)
4) , explore and get very frustrated over and over again until frustration goes
away.
- Original Message - From: "David Hole"
To: "MacVisionaries"
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 12:28 PM
Subject: How to help blind people new to Mac learn it as
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 9, 2013, at 11:28 AM, David Hole wrote:
> Hi folks.
>
> As far as I know, there are many here in this group who are helping
> blind people switching from Windows to Mac.
> Do you have any strategies to help them get fast into the VoiceOver
> commands, and how they c
Hello David,
I always explain about the Trackpad commander and let them decide how they feel
about it. I don't use it much myself, but I do use the trackpad without the
commander to get a contextual menu when VO-Shift-m fails me, and on other
occasions, too. As I work with text a lot, I find th
Thanks for this, Anne.
When they aren't much into visualizing the screen, but are familiar with iPhone.
Would it then be an idea for them to use the trackpad for visualizing purposes?
Actually I use it myself to get better overview of new apps, and it
works very well for me.
-David
On Wed, Jan 9
very frustrated over and over again until frustration
goes away.
- Original Message -
From: "David Hole"
To: "MacVisionaries"
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 12:28 PM
Subject: How to help blind people new to Mac learn it as fast and smooth as
possible
Hi folks.
Hello David,
Different people learn in different ways. I usually explain the structure of
the Mac (Home folder for each user and what it contains, Dock, Desk top, Side
bar, etc.). Then I talk about the basic applications and how they work
together. I try to get new Mac users to go through the b
Hi folks.
As far as I know, there are many here in this group who are helping
blind people switching from Windows to Mac.
Do you have any strategies to help them get fast into the VoiceOver
commands, and how they can "distance" them selves from the Windows
platform, and learn Mac the best way ther
It would help if you saved the getgames.sh script from this message.
It'll be between the two cut here lines. What it does is to use rsync
to download the whole ifarchive game set and keep it up to date when run
again. It makes an ifarchive folder tree in your user directory and
under the ifa
Hi Ed:
Welcome. You may want to check out maccessibility.net, and I think another
possibility is applevis.com
HTH
Carolyn H
On Jan 19, 2011, at 1:33 PM, Ed Worrell wrote:
> Hello my name is Ed,
>
> I got a macbook pro not to long ago. I was wondering if you guys could help
> me find some good
Hello my name is Ed,
I got a macbook pro not to long ago. I was wondering if you guys could help me
find some good accessible games for the Mac. I came from a windowsbackground
and I can't seem to find any blind accessible games for the mac in searches.
Thank in advance ED
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> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John J Herzog
> Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 9:13 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New to mac
>
> Edward,
> For a great demo
t; the kersor within both documents and websites.
>> But hay no, it doesn't work that way.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell
>> Sent: Sunday, 2 May
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New to mac
>
> Nic I think the one thing we need to enforce here is do not bring your
> windows and windows-based screen reading concepts to the Mac. If you try to
> think of the Mac in windows terms or how things work with a wind
rom: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell
> Sent: Sunday, 2 May 2010 9:29 p.m.
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New to mac
>
> Nic I think the one thing we need to enforce here is do not bring your
> windows
groups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell
Sent: Sunday, 2 May 2010 9:29 p.m.
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New to mac
Nic I think the one thing we need to enforce here is do not bring your
windows and windows-based screen reading concepts to the Mac. If you tr
mmend highly
enough, I'm learning more and more all the time, and have no
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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell
Sent: 02 May 2010 12:49
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New to mac
N
Nic,
I was agreeing and responding to what you were saying as well as presenting my
own point of view. This is how your name got associated with the message.
Btw, my point of course was not to call out the advantages or disadvantages of
one screen reader over another or OS. My point simply to Ed
body of text on a webpage with few
>>> keystrokes?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Edward
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf O
possible. Is all of the
>>> mac OS accessible?
>>>
>>> Finally, can you easily navigate to a body of text on a webpage with few
>>> keystrokes?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Edward
>>>
>>>
>>> -Orig
Hey Olivia,
Webspots are awesome. You set one on a page using vo-cmd-shift-right bracket.
You can remove a webspot by using vo-cmd-shift-left bracket at any area on a
webpage. For example, if a page doesn't have a lot of navigation, and i need to
jump to an area quickly, I'll set up a webspot an
nal Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nicolai Svendsen
>> Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 8:45 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: New to mac
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>&g
Hi,
I've been using a Mack for about a month and a half now. It didn't take me very
long to get used to, but it is way different than Windows. From what I've
seen, there's nothing bad about the Mack, I love it.
Courtney
On 01/05/2010, at 9:36 in the Afternoon, Kaare Dehard wrote:
> it is good
it is good indeed, however, it may take some getting used to. Intuitive
yeppers, but it took me a bit of time to get through the learning curve. It was
worth it, but ya got to hang in there while you get used to the different ways
of navigation.
On 2010-05-01, at 8:45 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
Subject: Re: New to mac
Edward,
For a great demo of voiceover and the mac's web browser, head over to the
blind cool tech web site. Then, search for the words mac demo. I don't want
to spoil it, but one of the really cool things about no buffers is that you
get to see information change o
I've never understood web spots and how they work. Can someone point me in the
right direction here?
Thanks, Olivia
On May 1, 2010, at 8:45 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> There are good alternatives to MS Office. MS Office is not fully accessible
> yet, but it is said that it will be wri
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nicolai Svendsen
> Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 8:45 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New to mac
>
> Hi,
>
> There are goo
ies@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nicolai Svendsen
> Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 8:45 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New to mac
>
> Hi,
>
> There are good alternatives to MS Office. MS Office is not fully
aries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nicolai Svendsen
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 8:45 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New to mac
Hi,
There are good alternatives to MS Office. MS Office is not fully accessible
yet, but it is said that it wi
Hi,
There are good alternatives to MS Office. MS Office is not fully accessible
yet, but it is said that it will be written in Cocoa, most likely making it
accessible. The Mac has a basic Text Editor called Text Edit, which is a lot
better than Wordpad and Notepad on Windows. You have suites su
Hello all,
I am strongly considering buying my first Mac in a few weeks and would like
to know if vo gives the user full accessibility in terms of ms office and
web browsing?
Thanks for answering my nubie questions
Edward
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On Mar 6, 2009, at 10:54 PM, JP Isaac wrote:
Hi all,
Though I've my mac for a year or so now, I'm only getting into it
now. I've
spent most of my time using Windows XP with Boot Camp.
One thing I'm noticing is a disparity between the mac os and the windows
time. I
hmm, have you got all your mac updates? there was an update a while
back that I think fixed this issue. in any event, if you leave one or
another of them on long enough you may have force windows to do it,
but the mac should update automatically.
On Mar 6, 2009, at 10:54 PM, JP Isaac wrot
Hi all,
Though I've my mac for a year or so now, I'm only getting into it now. I've
spent most of my time using Windows XP with Boot Camp.
One thing I'm noticing is a disparity between the mac os and the windows
time. If I set windows to the correct time, the mac time is inevitably 10
hours
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