When the concept works, it's great but all the times it's broken, it sux. Some times, VO J doesn't move you between all areas you want access too. You can't always jump to a table unless your interacting with another table or similar area. Unless I don't know a cool command, there's no way to quickly move between the tool bar and the preference pane in system preferences. Oh wait on, I just found vo command p will do it. Yep, proving my point by having to do a different command to do virtually the same thing as in other apps. Consistancy is dead on the mac. It's no wonder so many newbies have trouble as they have to learn 5 methods of doing the same thing each often with multiple steps and different key strokes.
Sorry, getting some frustrations off my chest. This by the way is not a mac sux rant, more just pointing out that there is still a lot of room for improvement. In our home we have 4 iPhones, and iPod touch, 2 apple tv's and 2 MacBooks so we do tend to love our apple stuff, we just don't like that apple don't always listen. They do listen some times though right?! Danny who rips off another tag line in still loving his macs and iDevices. On 15/01/2013, at 10:15 AM, Harry Hogue <harryhog...@gmail.com> wrote: > Interacting, once you get used to it, is actually a wonderful thing. It > allows me to quickly skip across frames in web pages and groups of buttons, > tables, etc. > > Harry > > On Jan 14, 2013, at 4:12 PM, Kerri <shalo...@shaw.ca> wrote: > >> I have to say that this is true when I became a mac user. What I found tough >> was that blasted interacting, I still detest it vehemently. But forgetting >> windows completely for me, was not a huge help because of the concepts that >> are the same across the board. >> On 2013-01-14, at 4:51 AM, erik burggraaf <e...@erik-burggraaf.com> wrote: >> >>> You know, As an instructor, some times I find this advice helpful and >>> sometimes not. While it is useful at times to torpido peoples >>> pre-conceptions, it is true that a number of concepts are the same across >>> the board, such as file browsing, email reading, and copying/pasting. Some >>> users Won't move on without their creature comforts. How do I read the >>> title bar? So, if I give them a keystroke that lets them read the title of >>> a window, even if I have to then explain about the application chooser >>> since they are on the same keypress, it makes them feel better having that >>> handy. >>> >>> I could honestly take both sides or approaches to this. Depending on which >>> one seems to be most helpful to the person I'm sitting in front of. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Erik Burggraaf >>> Follow my series of articles about setting up a small business through the >>> ontario disability support program at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/blog >>> Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 >>> or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com >>> >>> On 2013-01-10, at 5:30 AM, Kliphton A M <kliph...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> The one thing that someone told me helped the most. Forget everything you >>>> know about windows! The 2 systems are as different as night and day, so >>>> open your mind, and learn the new OS, because even though your not a knew >>>> computer user, the system is new to you. Once you do this, everything >>>> will start to make more since. >>>> >>>> Kliphton Senior >>>> (Email&iMessage) kliph...@gmail.com >>>> (Twitter&Skype) kliphton72 >>>> (Personal blog-read at your own risk!) http://kliphskorner.wordpress.com >>>> (Life Journal) kliphton.wordpress.com >>>> http://facebook.com/kliphandsharrie >>>> >>>> On Jan 9, 2013, at 11:28 AM, David Hole <balubathebr...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi folks. >>>>> >>>>> As far as I know, there are many here in this group who are helping >>>>> blind people switching from Windows to Mac. >>>>> Do you have any strategies to help them get fast into the VoiceOver >>>>> commands, and how they can "distance" them selves from the Windows >>>>> platform, and learn Mac the best way there is? >>>>> For example, is the best way to first learn to use VoiceOver with the >>>>> QuickKeys, or the hard way with so many keys pressed at once some >>>>> times? >>>>> What about what to learn first, do you learn them a piece of software >>>>> (such as Mail or Safari) or how the OS and how VoiceOver interacts >>>>> with it before going into apps? >>>>> >>>>> All comments on this is really welcome. >>>>> >>>>> Best regards David >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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