Re: Disappearing Extras Menu - Solved!

2020-01-27 Thread Brad Snyder
Hey Tim, Its all good. Just rattling your cage. LOL! - Brad - On Jan 27, 2020, at 13:51, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote: Hi, Brad, you are correct of course. Sorry, forgot that he mentioned being in the General pane. That's what I get for sneaking these responses in between othe

Re: Disappearing Extras Menu - Solved!

2020-01-27 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
Hi, Brad, you are correct of course. Sorry, forgot that he mentioned being in the General pane. That's what I get for sneaking these responses in between other tasks. Later... Tim Kilburn Jamf Certified Tech Apple Teacher (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Jan

Re: Disappearing Extras Menu - Solved!

2020-01-27 Thread Brad Snyder
Actually, Dave’s issue was with the Menu Bar, not the Dock, but the same principle applies. - Brad - On Jan 27, 2020, at 12:00, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote: Hi Dave, The benefit for the sighted user would be that when your mouse is not down at the bottom of the screen looking to

Re: Disappearing Extras Menu - Solved!

2020-01-27 Thread 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
Yes. I do hide the dock but not the menu bar. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 1/27/2020 9:47 AM, Dave Carlson wrote: Yes, given the results of checking that box, I wonder why it might be conside

Re: Disappearing Extras Menu - Solved!

2020-01-27 Thread 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
ck to the one I rarely use. That user did not have the problem with the disappearing Extras menu, so I started to compare things between each. A lot of back/forth that I will not bore you with. The problem was in the System Preferences under General, which I rarely look at. But this morning when t

Re: Disappearing Extras Menu - Solved!

2020-01-27 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
Hi Dave, The benefit for the sighted user would be that when your mouse is not down at the bottom of the screen looking to click on a Dock item, you have full screen real-estate with no distractions or layers blocking things. The Dock would only appear when you put your mouse where the Dock us

Re: Disappearing Extras Menu - Solved!

2020-01-27 Thread Dave Carlson
Yes, given the results of checking that box, I wonder why it might be considered a useful so-called feature. Perhaps in the sighted world, it has some benefit. Dave Carlson Musician, Engineer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer -- The following information is important for all memb

Re: Disappearing Extras Menu - Solved!

2020-01-27 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
ed. I had two users set up on my Mac, and decided to go back to the one I rarely use. That user did not have the problem with the disappearing Extras menu, so I started to compare things between each. A lot of back/forth that I will not bore you with. The problem was in the System Preferences

Re: Disappearing Extras Menu - Solved!

2020-01-27 Thread Dave Carlson
All, Good News! I finally got it resolved. I had two users set up on my Mac, and decided to go back to the one I rarely use. That user did not have the problem with the disappearing Extras menu, so I started to compare things between each. A lot of back/forth that I will not bore you with. The

Re: Disappearing Extras Menu

2020-01-26 Thread Dave Carlson
Tim, First, I don’t connect to my Mac from another Mac or PC right now. So I lose nothing by turning off File Sharing. I’ll do that. What you say about using Escape to close the Extras Menu — I do that, and still I can’t reopen either the Menu bar nor the Extras menu after escaping from the extr

Re: Disappearing Extras Menu

2020-01-26 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
Hi, Do you connect to your Mac from another Mac or PC? If not, then you really have no need to have File Sharing turned on. The Windows Server in Activity Monitor is not what it sounds like. It is actually just the process handling all the windows you open and close. That cycle of VO-m's ce

Re: Disappearing Extras Menu

2020-01-26 Thread 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
A long shot. You can export your VO settings in Voiceover Utility from the menu bar then reset to defaults. If you still experience issues you can easily restore those settings simply by doing a command down on the file you exported. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many

Re: Disappearing Extras Menu

2020-01-26 Thread Dave Carlson
E.T., Yes, I have looked there, and have even hidden some. I have my usual Mail, Calendar, Messages and then my network volumes Mac Backup connected to my Apple Airport Extreme, and three ASB volumes on my Windows PC. Those PC volumes might be the next thing I’ll try to completely disable. Dave

Re: Disappearing Extras Menu

2020-01-26 Thread Dave Carlson
Tim, Yes, they shouldn’t be anything that is a “stay resident” application. And the only apps running besides Finder are Mail, Calendar, Messages, and Textedit. I did run the Activity Monitor to see what active processes were running. Most seemed to be kernel items but one I was not sure about: W

Re: Disappearing Extras Menu

2020-01-26 Thread 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
Another place to look might be the Login Items tab in the user account of System Preferences. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 1/26/2020 10:19 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote: Hi, It

Re: Disappearing Extras Menu

2020-01-26 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
Hi, It sounds like most of these are just apps you use, not necessarily that they are actually active. Maybe take a look in Activity Monitor to see if any of those happen to be active. Activity Monitor is in your Utilities folder. Later... Tim Kilburn Jamf Certified Tech Apple Teacher (with

Re: Disappearing Extras Menu

2020-01-26 Thread Dave Carlson
Adobe, Sibelius, Carvewright, Drop Box, Office 365, Turbo Tax 2019 - these are still “active” meaning I use them once in a while. Docuscan, Fine Reader, Epson Scan, Quicken - these are still in my Applications folder, so I guess still “installed” but I don’t use them any more. Dave Carlson E

Re: Disappearing Extras Menu

2020-01-26 Thread 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
Dave, what third party apps have you installed? From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 1/26/2020 7:07 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote: Hi, Depends on the kind of restore that you do.  A Cle

Re: Disappearing Extras Menu

2020-01-26 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
Hi, Depends on the kind of restore that you do. A Clean Install would restore back to a brand new clean Mac, and you would need to re-add everything manually. A simple re-install of Mojave would retain all settings and data, but really wouldn't accomplish anything. I'd stay with my original

Re: Disappearing Extras Menu

2020-01-25 Thread 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
Dave, That is a drastic course of action. Going back to basics as Tim suggests would be a good step. That is, disconnect all external devices and close all apps. Then play with Finder a while. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the

Re: Disappearing Extras Menu

2020-01-25 Thread Dave Carlson
Tim, Good suggestions. Takes a lot of time, but may well be worth it. If I were to do a complete restore of Mojave, would that screw up all my settings? I know that data should not be affected. Dave Carlson Pioneer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, and Musician -- The following in

Re: Disappearing Extras Menu

2020-01-25 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
Hi, If you're getting "Finder Busy" messages, then something is using up resources, or there's a memory glitch, or some other inconsistency. Have you restarted your Mac lately? It's possible that there's a conflict somewhere that's causing the problem. I suggest that you go back to basics fo

Re: Disappearing Extras Menu

2020-01-24 Thread 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
Dave, I tried again, opened at least 8 apps including the VM. The only thing I don't do is minimize the windows. What is Finder open to? Any drive that is connected is on the desktop. This may be the time to run the Activity Monitor. I have not used it enough to tell you how to use i

Re: Disappearing Extras Menu

2020-01-24 Thread Dave Carlson
More testing results… I shut down all my apps except finder. When I get stuck with the non-appearing Extras Menu I then launch the VO Utility app and then close it with Cmd+Q Then the VO+m works exactly as it should … except for the following events: 1. VO+m twice to the Extras menu which comes

Re: Disappearing Extras Menu

2020-01-24 Thread Dave Carlson
Okay, getting some sort of pattern here, so I’ll try to be explicit. First I do a Cmd-Opt-m ot minimize all apps VO+m does nothing. Neither Apple menu nor Extras menu with the extra press. Cmd-Tab to bring an app to the foreground (in my case Message app) VO+m works exactly as it should, continuou

Re: Disappearing Extras Menu

2020-01-24 Thread Dave Carlson
Tim, First, using the VO lock did not change anything. Second, I’m not sure at this point about Escape vs. Cmd-Tab. Will have to experiment. Dave Carlson Musician, Engineer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visi

Re: Disappearing Extras Menu

2020-01-24 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
Hi, Those apps are stock Apple apps and should be causing no grief in the manner you've explained. Upon further thought, System Information can cause odd menu behaviour, but it is more with the regular menu than the Extras menu. Do you use Escape to back out of the Extras menu, or cmd-tab? Es

Re: Disappearing Extras Menu

2020-01-24 Thread Dave Carlson
The apps that I always have open are: Mail Messages Finder Calendar TextEdit I guess I’ll have to do some testing to see if/what app might be interfering. Dave Carlson Engineer, Pioneer, Farfar, Woodworker, Musician, and Oregonian -- The following information is important for all members

Re: Disappearing Extras Menu

2020-01-24 Thread 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
xtras menu does show, then it’s VO+right arrow or left arrow or space, depending on which menu I want open. The problem is poorly stated. I should not have said disappearing Extras Menu, I should have said “non-appearing” Extras Menu. Dave Carlson Pioneer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, Eng

Re: Disappearing Extras Menu

2020-01-24 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
d not have said disappearing Extras Menu, I should have said “non-appearing” Extras Menu. Dave Carlson Pioneer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, and Musician -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or conc

Re: Disappearing Extras Menu

2020-01-24 Thread Dave Carlson
IF the Extras menu does show, then it’s VO+right arrow or left arrow or space, depending on which menu I want open. The problem is poorly stated. I should not have said disappearing Extras Menu, I should have said “non-appearing” Extras Menu. Dave Carlson Pioneer, Farfar, Oregonian

Re: Disappearing Extras Menu

2020-01-24 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
Hi Dave, No, overlapping windows would not cause any issues, as the Extras menu is actually kind of an app of it's own that gains focus with the VO commands mentioned. Do you know if there are/is any specific app that you have commonly open? I guess that it's possible that some aspect of an a

Re: Disappearing Extras Menu

2020-01-24 Thread 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
What is the next key press you make after VO m + m ?From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 1/24/2020 3:57 PM, Dave Carlson wrote: Tim, No, I don’t hear any specific boink or ding. It just announces as

Re: Disappearing Extras Menu

2020-01-24 Thread Dave Carlson
Tim, No, I don’t hear any specific boink or ding. It just announces as I indicated in my previous message. I find that if I open the dock and then try it again, it appears. It seems like something is getting in the way. Is it possible that one or more of my apps are sized or positioned in a way

Re: Disappearing Extras Menu

2020-01-24 Thread Dave Carlson
Yep, doing exactly that Sometimes it will say “Extras Menu” and display nothing. Sometimes it will say “Time Machine” (which is my left-most item) and not allow any action. And once in a Blue Moon the Extras Menu will appear, in its entirety. Very annoying. Dave Carlson Pioneer, Farfar, Oregon

Re: Disappearing Extras Menu

2020-01-24 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
Hi, I've never seen that either. There's no real need to press the m's quickly. The system should toggle between the two menus each press of the m key. So, VO-m once should take you to the regular menus, keep your VO keys down and press the m a second time and it should take you to the Extra

Re: Disappearing Extras Menu

2020-01-24 Thread 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
Never had that problem but then I have an old Mac. Holding the VO keys down, press M twice rapidly? From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 1/24/2020 3:22 PM, Dave Carlson wrote: Oh, heck. I meant VO+M

Re: Disappearing Extras Menu

2020-01-24 Thread Dave Carlson
Oh, heck. I meant VO+M pressed twice. When I do that, the Extras menu does not reliably appear. Dave Carlson Pioneer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, and Musician -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or

Re: Disappearing Extras Menu

2020-01-24 Thread 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
Its VO m twice. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 1/24/2020 3:17 PM, Dave Carlson wrote: This has been going on for months. There are times when I press the VO+Space+M key twice to bring up the E

Disappearing Extras Menu

2020-01-24 Thread Dave Carlson
This has been going on for months. There are times when I press the VO+Space+M key twice to bring up the Extras menu, when nothing comes up. If I cycle through all my open apps, sometimes I can get it to open up, but often nothing specific seems to fix the problem. Any hints as to what settings