Hey Tim, Its all good. Just rattling your cage. LOL!
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On Jan 27, 2020, at 13:51, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
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Hi,
Brad, you are correct of course. Sorry, forgot that he mentioned being in the
General pane. That's what I get for sneaking these responses in between othe
Hi,
Brad, you are correct of course. Sorry, forgot that he mentioned being in the
General pane. That's what I get for sneaking these responses in between other
tasks.
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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Jan
Actually, Dave’s issue was with the Menu Bar, not the Dock, but the same
principle applies.
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Hi Dave,
The benefit for the sighted user would be that when your mouse is not down at
the bottom of the screen looking to
Yes. I do hide the dock but not the menu bar.
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Yes, given the results of checking that box, I wonder why it might be
conside
ck to the one I rarely use. That user did not have the problem
with the disappearing Extras menu, so I started to compare things
between each. A lot of back/forth that I will not bore you with.
The problem was in the System Preferences under General, which I rarely
look at. But this morning when t
Hi Dave,
The benefit for the sighted user would be that when your mouse is not down at
the bottom of the screen looking to click on a Dock item, you have full screen
real-estate with no distractions or layers blocking things. The Dock would
only appear when you put your mouse where the Dock us
Yes, given the results of checking that box, I wonder why it might be
considered a useful so-called feature. Perhaps in the sighted world, it has
some benefit.
Dave Carlson
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ed. I had two users set up on my Mac, and decided to go
back to the one I rarely use. That user did not have the problem with the
disappearing Extras menu, so I started to compare things between each. A lot of
back/forth that I will not bore you with.
The problem was in the System Preferences
All,
Good News!
I finally got it resolved. I had two users set up on my Mac, and decided to go
back to the one I rarely use. That user did not have the problem with the
disappearing Extras menu, so I started to compare things between each. A lot of
back/forth that I will not bore you with.
The
Tim,
First, I don’t connect to my Mac from another Mac or PC right now. So I lose
nothing by turning off File Sharing. I’ll do that.
What you say about using Escape to close the Extras Menu — I do that, and still
I can’t reopen either the Menu bar nor the Extras menu after escaping from the
extr
Hi,
Do you connect to your Mac from another Mac or PC? If not, then you really
have no need to have File Sharing turned on. The Windows Server in Activity
Monitor is not what it sounds like. It is actually just the process handling
all the windows you open and close. That cycle of VO-m's ce
A long shot. You can export your VO settings in Voiceover Utility
from the menu bar then reset to defaults. If you still experience issues
you can easily restore those settings simply by doing a command down on
the file you exported.
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E.T.,
Yes, I have looked there, and have even hidden some. I have my usual Mail,
Calendar, Messages and then my network volumes Mac Backup connected to my Apple
Airport Extreme, and three ASB volumes on my Windows PC.
Those PC volumes might be the next thing I’ll try to completely disable.
Dave
Tim,
Yes, they shouldn’t be anything that is a “stay resident” application. And the
only apps running besides Finder are Mail, Calendar, Messages, and Textedit.
I did run the Activity Monitor to see what active processes were running. Most
seemed to be kernel items but one I was not sure about: W
Another place to look might be the Login Items tab in the user
account of System Preferences.
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Hi,
It
Hi,
It sounds like most of these are just apps you use, not necessarily that they
are actually active. Maybe take a look in Activity Monitor to see if any of
those happen to be active. Activity Monitor is in your Utilities folder.
Later...
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(with
Adobe, Sibelius, Carvewright, Drop Box, Office 365, Turbo Tax 2019 - these
are still “active” meaning I use them once in a while. Docuscan, Fine Reader,
Epson Scan, Quicken - these are still in my Applications folder, so I guess
still “installed” but I don’t use them any more.
Dave Carlson
E
Dave, what third party apps have you installed?
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Hi,
Depends on the kind of restore that you do. A Cle
Hi,
Depends on the kind of restore that you do. A Clean Install would restore back
to a brand new clean Mac, and you would need to re-add everything manually. A
simple re-install of Mojave would retain all settings and data, but really
wouldn't accomplish anything. I'd stay with my original
Dave,
That is a drastic course of action. Going back to basics as Tim
suggests would be a good step. That is, disconnect all external devices
and close all apps. Then play with Finder a while.
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Tim,
Good suggestions. Takes a lot of time, but may well be worth it.
If I were to do a complete restore of Mojave, would that screw up all my
settings? I know that data should not be affected.
Dave Carlson
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Hi,
If you're getting "Finder Busy" messages, then something is using up resources,
or there's a memory glitch, or some other inconsistency. Have you restarted
your Mac lately? It's possible that there's a conflict somewhere that's
causing the problem. I suggest that you go back to basics fo
Dave,
I tried again, opened at least 8 apps including the VM. The only
thing I don't do is minimize the windows.
What is Finder open to? Any drive that is connected is on the desktop.
This may be the time to run the Activity Monitor. I have not used it
enough to tell you how to use i
More testing results…
I shut down all my apps except finder.
When I get stuck with the non-appearing Extras Menu I then launch the VO
Utility app and then close it with Cmd+Q
Then the VO+m works exactly as it should … except for the following events:
1. VO+m twice to the Extras menu which comes
Okay, getting some sort of pattern here, so I’ll try to be explicit.
First I do a Cmd-Opt-m ot minimize all apps
VO+m does nothing. Neither Apple menu nor Extras menu with the extra press.
Cmd-Tab to bring an app to the foreground (in my case Message app)
VO+m works exactly as it should, continuou
Tim,
First, using the VO lock did not change anything.
Second, I’m not sure at this point about Escape vs. Cmd-Tab. Will have to
experiment.
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Hi,
Those apps are stock Apple apps and should be causing no grief in the manner
you've explained. Upon further thought, System Information can cause odd menu
behaviour, but it is more with the regular menu than the Extras menu.
Do you use Escape to back out of the Extras menu, or cmd-tab? Es
The apps that I always have open are:
Mail
Messages
Finder
Calendar
TextEdit
I guess I’ll have to do some testing to see if/what app might be interfering.
Dave Carlson
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xtras menu does show, then it’s VO+right arrow or left arrow or
space, depending on which menu I want open.
The problem is poorly stated. I should not have said disappearing Extras
Menu, I should have said “non-appearing” Extras Menu.
Dave Carlson
Pioneer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, Eng
d not have said disappearing Extras Menu,
I should have said “non-appearing” Extras Menu.
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IF the Extras menu does show, then it’s VO+right arrow or left arrow or space,
depending on which menu I want open.
The problem is poorly stated. I should not have said disappearing Extras Menu,
I should have said “non-appearing” Extras Menu.
Dave Carlson
Pioneer, Farfar, Oregonian
Hi Dave,
No, overlapping windows would not cause any issues, as the Extras menu is
actually kind of an app of it's own that gains focus with the VO commands
mentioned. Do you know if there are/is any specific app that you have commonly
open? I guess that it's possible that some aspect of an a
What is the next key press you make after VO m + m
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On 1/24/2020 3:57 PM, Dave Carlson wrote:
Tim,
No, I don’t hear any specific boink or ding. It just announces as
Tim,
No, I don’t hear any specific boink or ding. It just announces as I indicated
in my previous message. I find that if I open the dock and then try it again,
it appears. It seems like something is getting in the way. Is it possible that
one or more of my apps are sized or positioned in a way
Yep, doing exactly that Sometimes it will say “Extras Menu” and display
nothing. Sometimes it will say “Time Machine” (which is my left-most item) and
not allow any action. And once in a Blue Moon the Extras Menu will appear, in
its entirety. Very annoying.
Dave Carlson
Pioneer, Farfar, Oregon
Hi,
I've never seen that either. There's no real need to press the m's quickly.
The system should toggle between the two menus each press of the m key. So,
VO-m once should take you to the regular menus, keep your VO keys down and
press the m a second time and it should take you to the Extra
Never had that problem but then I have an old Mac. Holding the VO
keys down, press M twice rapidly?
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Oh, heck. I meant VO+M
Oh, heck. I meant VO+M pressed twice. When I do that, the Extras menu does not
reliably appear.
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Its VO m twice.
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This has been going on for months. There are times when I press the VO+Space+M
key twice to bring up the E
This has been going on for months. There are times when I press the VO+Space+M
key twice to bring up the Extras menu, when nothing comes up. If I cycle
through all my open apps, sometimes I can get it to open up, but often nothing
specific seems to fix the problem.
Any hints as to what settings
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