The boot loader may not be necessary, but it makes life easy: I hit m
to boot mac os or w to boot windows when the machine starts, and it
does its thing. I forgot it used non-standard BIOS. Still, if you use
a live cd of linux to format a partition correctly, I'm not sure why
it wouldn't work. Agai
Also, you can cut the message with ctrl-X and then paste it wherever you want
it. This is what I usually do, it works great.
On May 1, 2012, at 5:10 PM, Red.Falcon wrote:
> Hi there!
> You can also open VO+shift+m and in that menu arrow down to the move sub menu!
> And there is also a move aga
I said, it sounds like a lot of steps not that I have a problem with it lol.
I'm still 80% windows so cut me some slack smile!
-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark
Gilland
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012
Thanks! It's worth a try. I guess if it doesn't work, I can try calling Apple
tomorrow. They might be able to point me in the
right direction on how to get money back if need be.
_
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
On Behalf Of Ezzie Bueno
Se
Hello Missy,
I had this problem myself and it seemed to fix itself once I restarted my
computer.
HTH,
Ezzie Bueno
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Good evening, all! I had a weird thing happen for the first time when buying
music from the itunes store. One of the songs I
bought refuses to download, claiming that the file is corrupt. I've tried
checking for available downloads multiple times,
but keep getting the same error. Also, in the sam
Boot Camp will go with Windows Natively, no need for the Refit loader, I
don't think, but for whatever reason, I don't think the system will like
that partition being turned into a linux one. I mean, I'm not sure how the
Mac will take to making a Windows partition, booting a Ubuntu Live CD, and
I second Mark on this. What is the big deal? It really is not that
difficult, trust us.
Chris.
- Original Message -
From: "Kimsan"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 8:04 PM
Subject: RE: Skype on the Mac made accessible?)
Sounds like a lot of steps for checking who skiped you.
--
Hi, Mark. It isn't so much that navigating out of skype home to find contacts
is difficult; it isn't. It's just tedius and
should be unnecessary if folks want the program to start in the contacts list.
Even though I know mac commands now and they
only take a few seconds, I still find them more co
Sounds like a lot of steps for checking who skiped you.
-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark BurningHawk
Baxter
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 11:37 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Skype on the
I've tried both, but I have no idea which is better, or even what the
difference really is. I have read the help for it, and I am very
familiar with what a DOM is, but i can't see a difference between the
functionality of both modes when I'm using either one.
Yes, I have the arrow keys down well en
I think so. I use the Refit boot loader (I may have that name wrong)
to boot Mac OS and Windows. I don't see why I couldn't set up another
partition, though. I'm sure google will have plenty of in-depth
articles and tutorials about this. Note that you will need sighted
help to set up some of this,
Oh I knew there was an easy answer. Thank you very much.
In my gmail account I can't see the spam, starred, all mail, travel folders
anymore. There's just an mailbox called blank under trash with nothing in it.
I don't think I've changed any of my gmail settings. Should I be in full screen
mode
I'm pretty sure the short answer to this question will be technically?...
yes... The long answer will probably be, yes, and no.
Technically speaking, Bootcamp is made for either Windows Vista, or Windows
7. Is there a way however that I could set up a bootcamp partition, then
install UBuntu,
Hey everyone, the fourth screen reader survey from web aim is now available, I
would encourage everyone to participate so voiceover gets a good useage rading,
here is the link.
http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey4/
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You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
Hi everyone!
I figured this out today and thought I'd share it here in case it helped anyone
else.
Just in case it matters, I didn't make smart mailboxes, only regular dumb ones.
When I'd arrow through my mailboxes table to choose a mailbox, then
when I'd tab back to the messages table VO woul
THere should be an option in the View menu, but the shortcut is command-shift-M.
Jonathan C. Cohn
jonc...@cox.net
On May 1, 2012, at 7:12 PM, Lisette wesseling wrote:
> Hi all
> Please can somebody tell me how to get my mailboxes table back. I can only
> see my inbox and tabbing doesn't get
Hi all
Please can somebody tell me how to get my mailboxes table back. I can only see
my inbox and tabbing doesn't get me to my mailboxes table. It just takes me to
message content group. I've probably just pressed something I shouldn't have.
Thanks so much.
Lisette
--
You received this messag
you know i could be having that problem and not even know it because i rarely
shut my macbook down. i hardly ever did with my leopard machine and rarely do
it in the lion. i just close the lid. when i open it it comes right out of
sleep mode. sorry i couldn't help. take care, max
On May 1,
Hi Jenny!
would you like skype to tell you who has left a message or do you prefer having
a sound!
Because you can tell skype to speak events in stead of playing a sound!
Colin
On 1 May 2012, at 20:53, Jenny Keller wrote:
> sorry, sounds way to complicated for something that trivial.
>
> Jenny
Hi.
I would think that iTunes for a new Mac user would be way more difficult to
tackle than a small bit of navigation through Skype.
I think it's all in the user's head about how difficult such a small bit of
navigation could be. There's the finder, mail, Safari, the previously mentioned
iTunes,
Hi there!
You can also open VO+shift+m and in that menu arrow down to the move sub menu!
And there is also a move again which is set to the last mailbox you sent
something to!
hth Colin
On 1 May 2012, at 22:57, Kirsten Edmondson wrote:
> Thanks, I was looking in the wrong menu then.
>
> On 1 M
I am one those people whose Skype starts on the list of contacts. Mine has
always done that even after downloading skype afresh. I am wondering however,
could it be that since I've always had a Skype account since Skype came out
that nothing had changed? The reason for this is because when Skyp
Absolutely right Missy, you got that right and it was a mess and very
confusing for someone who was new to the Mac. I for one was confused with
interacting and if it was not for the patience of someone who helped me with
the Mac in the first place, I'd not be where I am with the Mac today so I
I'm sorry, but it does not. Skype home is merely an HTML window; even if
Skype's focus started there, merely stop interacting with the HTML content, VO
left to the table, interact, then down to recent or whatever. There's no
complex navigation involved.
• Mark BurningHawk Baxter
• AIM, Sky
Thanks, I was looking in the wrong menu then.
On 1 May 2012, at 20:14, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:
> Once you find it in Trash, Press VO M to go to the menu bar; go over to
> Message, and down to "move to, submenu." Right arrow there and then press
> "I," for Inbox, and enter. That will m
I have been following this thread but not thoroughly at times, so
pardon me if I missed anything.
I understand that the regular Mac Skype goes to the Home page on
startup, and that Skype Premium doesn't or can be made not to, not
sure which. So far though, I am not convinced that the idea was to
m
The problem a lot of us were having is that ever since skype 5.3 or so, focus
was not on the contact list when the program
started. It was on Skype home instead. If the free versions of skype started in
the contact list by default like it did when
I first got my mac, then I, for 1, probably would
Hi Paul and Shawn.
Technically, there is already a tax credit for accessibility. I haven't looked
it up in some time since I retired in 2005, but this credit is extensive for
architectual barrier removal. I haven't researched it lately as I said, but it
could be amended, with all that entails,
I don't understand why it's so important that Skype come up with the focus
other than in the contacts lists? I seek an explanation of why it matters.
• Mark BurningHawk Baxter
• AIM, Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969
• MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com
• My home page:
• http://MarkBurnin
Well, the consensus seems to be that you do indeed have to pay for skype or
have credit for it to start in the contacts list.
I think this is the dumbest move ever on the programmers' part, and very
shameful that we have to pay for such basic
functionality, but I did confirm it. Skype was a lot m
Hello Jenny,
Admittedly, I have not been paying close attention to this thread so forgive
me for suggesting something that has already been posted but, have you
considered turning off the login screen?
All things being equal and security concerns aside, if you are the only
user, there really is
You can do it either way. Look around the User options under System
preferences. I forget what the option is called exactly but there is
something to specify to Automatically login. But in case this keeps
acting up on you, you may want to check the VoiceOver at login option
also. I mentioned thi
Ok, thanks Jonathan. I had visions of having to do this every time I went to
iTunes or anything else like that. It's amazing how rattled you can get when
you're in a hurry, don't know that something new has been added for you to put
in, and then you can't figure it out because your time is limit
Yes, mine is connected to Facebook, and has been way before this most recent
version. Even when it wasn't though, skype has always gone to my contacts
at first.
Chris.
- Original Message -
From: "Missy Hoppe"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 11:47 AM
Subject: RE: Skype on the Mac m
What if you don't want to log in, you just want it to go to the desk top?
Jenny
On May 1, 2012, at 3:31 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
> You don't by any chance have file vault turned on do you?
>
> Go to system preferences:
> Find the Security and Privacy panel.
> In this panel is a tab called "Fi
I second Jonhathan's remarks here. Apple provides a 1 year warantee
for all their computers at a minimum and if you can dig up a spare $99
before this June, you can extend your coverage for an additional two
years; that's the Apple Care program. Anyway, without the Apple Care,
you can still get t
Up / down arrows will move the web rotar selection and left right will move by
chunks. Do you use Group or Dom navigation?
Best wishes,
Jonathan
Jonathan C. Cohn
jonc...@cox.net
On Apr 29, 2012, at 9:15 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
> I have quick nav on. However, the left/right arrows don't seem to
NO, you won't have to answer every time, just for the more secure transactions
probably changing password and credit card information.
Best wishes,
Jonathan
Jonathan C. Cohn
jonc...@cox.net
On May 1, 2012, at 4:22 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
> Hi again guys.
> I got the Color Visor app, final
You don't by any chance have file vault turned on do you?
Go to system preferences:
Find the Security and Privacy panel.
In this panel is a tab called "File Vault" It should list your disk and tell
you that file vault is turned off/ or on.
You are aware that for non-file vault systems, you can
Hi again guys.
I got the Color Visor app, finally. Am I going to have to answer these
questions every time now? My bank has security questions, but they namely come
up if I use a different computer like at my mom's house.
Hey, Jan, I'm impressed already. I tried another color program which for
I know it would be a good thing to have an apple store look at it, but the
store is an hour away so I don't see that as an option.
I have had someone look at it and it's just the log in screen.
I log in and it still won't talk.
I'll see what I can do, but if I can't get someone to take me to ha
If you think it is a problem that could be fixed at the Apple Store, then I
suggest you beg one of your friends to take you there. You have a one year
warrenty on the computer and if you didn't drop it or spill water on it, then
99/100 times it will be fixed for free at the Apple store in the f
sorry, sounds way to complicated for something that trivial.
Jenny
On May 1, 2012, at 2:46 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:
> Jenny:
> When you go through the top table, you will hear it say something like, "Mark
> BurningHawk, one missed event." That's how you know. I don't know how
> bett
Jenny:
When you go through the top table, you will hear it say something like, "Mark
BurningHawk, one missed event." That's how you know. I don't know how better
to explain that. Also, if all else fails, all you have to do is select
everyone in the "recent," sublevel of the top table and then
This is one thing that Growl DOES do very well; In Preferences' tool bar, click
on Notifications, and then on the Details tab. If you need more help with it,
let me know.
• Mark BurningHawk Baxter
• AIM, Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969
• MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com
• My home page
Because if you don't know who sent you the message, how do you know what
contact to chose, that's the big deal.
In windows you get a edit field where conversations are at list format so
whoever contacts you via conversation just pops up with their name beside it so
you can see who is instant me
I have that problem too. I've heard the little chirp that someone has sent me
a message, but have no idea how to get to a message that I've been sent.
Jenny
On May 1, 2012, at 1:28 PM, Lisette wesseling wrote:
> Hi folks
> My husband and I got our macs only recently and I have just joined this
thanks.
Jenny
On May 1, 2012, at 1:08 PM, Maxwell Ivey wrote:
> go to the desktop where it says mac hd and use the command i for inspector.
> then right arrow until it gives you the available space. but if you don't
> download movies or music, then that probably wasn't the problem. take care,
thanks,
I tried to get help from them, but they can't help me if it's not doing it and
I can't make it do it on command. It is a random thing every two or three
times I turn the computer on.
thanks though. I've just learned to deal with it.
Jenny
On May 1, 2012, at 1:07 PM, Maxwell Ivey wr
Once you find it in Trash, Press VO M to go to the menu bar; go over to
Message, and down to "move to, submenu." Right arrow there and then press "I,"
for Inbox, and enter. That will move the message from Trash to Inbox. If
there are other messages in Trash that you wish to move to Inbox, you
I too have credit and Voice mail.
On 1 May 2012, at 07:28 PM, Lisette wesseling
wrote:
> Hi folks
> My husband and I got our macs only recently and I have just joined this list.
> My skype starts in the home screen, but my husband's starts in the contacts
> table. The only difference betwee
I've looked everywhere in preferences and can't find that. I wonder if finding
it and unchecking it would help. If anyone
knows where that is in preferences, I'd really appreciate finding out.
-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
I know when I got Skype I went in to the preferences and can't remember where
but unchecked the box for Face book. Then my Skype was normal starting in the
contact list. I did this so long ago.
Kawal.
On 1 May 2012, at 04:47 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote:
> Wow! I wonder what those of us who can't ge
Hi,
How do I move an email from trash back to the inbox? In the edit menu, there
doesn't seem to be a move to inbox command. I can't do undo as I deleted it a
couple of days ago, but now want it back. I know it's there and I have both
interacted with the table and the message line and the actua
do not know it just hapens.
On 1 May 2012, at 05:04 AM, May McDonald wrote:
> Wait, how do you get it to start in contacts? I have the free version and
> can't get it to do that either.
>
> May and Prince Noah
>
> On 2012-04-30, at 6:21 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>
>> There use to be an edi
Mine, which comes up in the contacts table, is also linked to a phone number
that I pay for, and I have voice mail, but no mobile number or anything. Skype
is my telephone as well as my internet telephone. Thinking of switching to
Magic Jack though, cause everyone says my computer fans make to
Hmm. Very interesting. I have voice-mail enabled on mine too, but have never
used it. I don't have any credits, though. I
wonder if that's the key. I don't use skype enough to justfy spending money on
it, though, so I wonder if there's anyone else
willing/able to experiment with this theory.
Miss
Sorry, Lisette, for the ending to my E-mail; it was specifically directed at
those who complain of the inaccessibility of Skype, not at all at you.
There are a few ways I know if someone's sent me a message; first, my Skype
plays a sound when I get a message, if I'm not in the Skype window.
Hi Mark
Thanks for this answer. But how do you even know someone, or who, has sent you
a message?
Lisette
On 2/05/2012, at 6:36 AM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:
> Lisette:
>
> Please permit me to answer your question. Once you have selected the contact
> who sent you the message in the tabl
Lisette:
Please permit me to answer your question. Once you have selected the contact
who sent you the message in the table under the toolbar, VO right until you
find the HTML content. Interact with this and VO Right until you hear the
relevant message.
Just FTR, mine seems to come up in t
Hi folks
My husband and I got our macs only recently and I have just joined this list.
My skype starts in the home screen, but my husband's starts in the contacts
table. The only difference between us is that he has skype credits and
voicemail activated, and I don't. Could this be the reason? We
go to the desktop where it says mac hd and use the command i for inspector.
then right arrow until it gives you the available space. but if you don't
download movies or music, then that probably wasn't the problem. take care, max
On May 1, 2012, at 11:34 AM, Jenny Keller wrote:
> How do I che
hi there; i understand about not being able to make the trip, but most of the
times we took my last computer in they didn't even charge me. there is a new
800 number for voiceover issues. i don't have it on hand, but someone on the
list can give it to you. perhaps they could help you trouble
No no. You pick questions with the 3 picker items, and then fill in the
answers to each.
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eugenia Firth
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 12:42 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Problem wit
Ok, but I can't figure out which ones it wants. I remember putting in questions
at one point when I set up things, but knows which of those checkbox things I
did. If the ones I am supposed to check for the answer are in red, I'm in
trouble since I can't ee the screen and there is no hint from Vo
May I email you off-list? I am interested in developing iOS apps, but
XCode is confusing (plus I have a few other questions). Thanks in
advance!
On 5/1/12, Bejarano, Rafael P. wrote:
> Hello Jan,
>
> If you are interested in developing an app with a ready market, I suggest a
> reasonably priced O
Hi,
The security questions are an extra precaution against Apple ID theft, and
other such security breeches. You have to fill out all 3 before you can
download anything at all.
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eugenia Firth
Sent:
Hi guys, especially the folks at Accessibility
I just tried to download Jan's app. I didn't expect this to be a problem at
all. I can accept that I may need to reset my iPhone because it demanded
security questions which it never did before. Ok, fine. However, I was supposed
to fill out three,
oglem of not having any arrow keys in fusion? After I installed
fusion 4, my arrow keys aren't working properly. I think they are now
conflicting with mission control or something like that. I can't
recall how to fix this..
Thanks,
Cait
On Apr 28, 11:08 am, Caitlyn Furness
wrote:
> Hi,
> Can
Hello Jan,
If you are interested in developing an app with a ready market, I suggest a
reasonably priced OCR APP for the iPhone. You may know that Kurzweil has
developed such an app for the National Federation of the Blind, but it costs
over $1000 and is not available on the iPhone.
Just thou
How do I check it?
I don't put anything on my computer like music or anything, just documents.
Please tell me how to look this up.
Jenny
On May 1, 2012, at 10:57 AM, Maxwell Ivey wrote:
> hello; how much space do you have free on your hard drive? when my last
> macbook's drive was mostly fu
Oh boy, that's not in my budget.
I guess I'll just have to deal with it.
I have a monitor and mouse connected to it so that isn't the problem.
I just got it last June, so I don't know what the deal is.
I'll just have to deal with it as I've said cause I can't afford to go to the
town where the
I don't have mine tied to facebook, so I still don't know what the issue is.
Jenny
On May 1, 2012, at 10:56 AM, Red.Falcon wrote:
> I'm with the people who get the home screen!
> And I cannot see how to make it contacts only either!
> I do have it tied to facebook!
> Colin
>
> On 1 May 2012, at
hello; how much space do you have free on your hard drive? when my last
macbook's drive was mostly full it would cause weird behavior from voiceover.
just a thought, max
On May 1, 2012, at 10:44 AM, Jenny Keller wrote:
> Lion, the latest version.
>
> Jenny
> On May 1, 2012, at 10:42 AM, Chri
You will probably not like my answer; I never get that problem on my
Mac Mini. Even back when I first got my Mini and did not have a
monitor connected, VO woldn't start automatically after I logged in
but I got the same behavior every time I started my machine. One
thing different with my settup
I'm with the people who get the home screen!
And I cannot see how to make it contacts only either!
I do have it tied to facebook!
Colin
On 1 May 2012, at 16:51, Jenny Keller wrote:
> I can't get it to start in the contact list either, but there are a lot of
> things that my mac does that don't m
I can't get it to start in the contact list either, but there are a lot of
things that my mac does that don't make sense.
Jenny
On May 1, 2012, at 10:47 AM, Missy Hoppe wrote:
> Wow! I wonder what those of us who can't get it to start up in the contacts
> list are doing wrong? Is yours connecte
Wow! I wonder what those of us who can't get it to start up in the contacts
list are doing wrong? Is yours connected to
facebook? This is getting curiouser and curiouser. I'm still irritated by the
idea that this is supposedly a premium feature,
when it should just be a given option if desired. N
This already exists.
I don't know if macports will let you set it up on the mac, though.
See this page:
http://stormdragon.us/?p=223
If this doesn't work for some reason, then just go to
http://www.stormdragon.us
Then use heading navigation, and scroll down and you should see about the
four
Lion, the latest version.
Jenny
On May 1, 2012, at 10:42 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
> What version of OSX are you using, first of all?
>
> Chris.
>
> - Original Message - From: "Jenny Keller"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:26 AM
> Subject: voiceover won't cooperate
>
What version of OSX are you using, first of all?
Chris.
- Original Message -
From: "Jenny Keller"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:26 AM
Subject: voiceover won't cooperate
Every other time I turn on my computer I get the log in screen, and the only
reason I know that is because
I use Express Talk Pro. It is so ridiculously accessible I had it figured
out in less than 5 minutes literally.
Chris.
- Original Message -
From: "Emrah"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: Sip Phone for Mac (was RE: Skype on the Mac made accessible?)
Blink Pro i
The last that I heard, Soundstudio was not very accessible as far as
editting.
Please someone correct me if I'm wrong.
This is why I personally use ProTools, but that may be over kill for what
you're trying to do, as well as for your wallet.
Chris.
- Original Message -
From: "Matt
Hmm!
I know I have the latest version of Skype, and mine always starts in the
contact list.
Chris.
- Original Message -
From: "Eric Oyen"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 5:30 AM
Subject: Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?
I don't honestly see the point of paying for a feature
Hi
I want to build a text-only Facebook client that can be used either
through an HTML interface or a command line interface that can be used
from the terminal. I wish to know if it is possible to access a user's
notifications, messages, request, etc and do small things like post
status updates usi
Every other time I turn on my computer I get the log in screen, and the only
reason I know that is because I have just barely enough vision to see it.
Voice over is set to start during that screen but it doesn't. I log into the
system, which it's not supposed to ask me to do anyway because it's
Hi Mike:
Since Anne answered all of your questions, I'd like to suggest a work-around
for the first one. While it's possible to find out word count information in
the document inspector, you might find it easier to associate the following
Apple script with a keyboard shortcut. This would allow y
Blink Pro is a more sophisticated alternative with fabulous support for
conferencing and extremely accessible.
On Apr 30, 2012, at 6:23 PM, Blake Sinnett wrote:
> Yep. It's simply called Telephone.
>
>
> > Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:03:15 -0700
> > Subject: Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?
Hi folks, I'm messing around with soundstudio and it looks really nice.
However, I can't seem to figure out how to edit with it. Such as, marking
position, and setting a marker. Any help on or off list is appreciated. Thank
you. :)
Matt
Sent from my mac
Twitter: matt692
msn: matt...@live.com
sk
I believe there is a way. You add someone to the call by adding them in the
usual way; or so I suppose. Gonna have to play with it later to make sure.
Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
Skype name:
barefootedray
Facebook:
facebook.com/ray.fore
What i wonder about skype is this: When i am in a conference and someone wants
to praticipate and calls me how can i then add them to the conference, and i'm
not talking about when i'm about to call someone or if i want to add someone by
calling them, i'm talking about when someone calls in and
What i don't fathom with the Skype home portion of Skype is how you post
something to facebook without changing mood message in Skype as well. Seems if
you post something to Facebook, you also set it as your mood message, and
changing mood message many times a minute is in my opinion pointless,
Hi,
As usual i disagree with this and with Cawals post. In my version of skype,
which is the latest as far as i know, i always land where i want to land when
Skype opens, if i have set the table to contacts, that is where i land next
time i open Skype.
And as for the dial pad not being accessibl
I don't honestly see the point of paying for a feature that was free in
previous versions. video conferencing I can understand, but this? I DON'T THINK
SO! It seems to me that Microsoft is trying to soak us for more money,
especially considering that their flagship product (windows 7) had such a
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