Re: Toolbar bugs

2006-11-19 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Sun, 19 Nov 2006, Andre Poenitz wrote: > > Ok, I see. So one solution is then to come up with a way to make the > > minibuffer disappear automatically? > > > > There is one thing I wonder about though... are you bothered by the > > minibuffer appearing out of mistake, i.e. do you sometime ac

Re: Toolbar bugs

2006-11-19 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Sun, Nov 19, 2006 at 02:28:48PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Sat, 18 Nov 2006, Bo Peng wrote: > > > > (Yes, I strongly think we should keep M-x as a shortcut. Removing it > > > just because the fix for making M-x always work... well, that sucks.). > > > > > > > M-x now works. The side

Re: Toolbar bugs

2006-11-19 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Sat, Nov 18, 2006 at 11:19:58AM +0100, Georg Baum wrote: > Am Samstag, 18. November 2006 05:48 schrieb Bo Peng: > > I tend to suggest that we remove this feature. > > If you mean the minibuffer: No. The minibuffer is nice for debugging and > power users. I agree that no keyboard shortcut is ne

Re: Toolbar bugs

2006-11-19 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Sat, Nov 18, 2006 at 11:10:32AM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > > "Bo" == Bo Peng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> > * M-x is broken (does not bring up the minibuffer). > >> > > >> > So what exactly do we want M-x to do? > >> > >> It should make the minibuffer visible and focus on i

Re: Toolbar bugs

2006-11-19 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Sat, Nov 18, 2006 at 08:22:05AM -0600, Bo Peng wrote: > >Hmm it's close to pointless without being able to switch to it easily. I > >don't understand why it's difficult? > > Becasue this feature is rarely used by normal user so the minibuffer > toolbar should not be shown by default. Then, M-x

Re: Toolbar bugs

2006-11-19 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Sat, Nov 18, 2006 at 03:54:29PM +0100, Georg Baum wrote: > Am Samstag, 18. November 2006 15:24 schrieb John Levon: > > On Sat, Nov 18, 2006 at 08:22:05AM -0600, Bo Peng wrote: > > > > > >Hmm it's close to pointless without being able to switch to it easily. > I > > > >don't understand why it's

Re: Toolbar bugs

2006-11-19 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Sat, Nov 18, 2006 at 07:17:02AM -0600, Bo Peng wrote: > >Bo> I tend to suggest that we remove this feature. > > > >I think we should not. Some people actually rely on this feature, and > >we would not gain much by removing it. > > OK. I admit that I am not a power user, at least regarding this

Re: Toolbar bugs

2006-11-19 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Sat, 18 Nov 2006, Bo Peng wrote: > > (Yes, I strongly think we should keep M-x as a shortcut. Removing it > > just because the fix for making M-x always work... well, that sucks.). > > > > M-x now works. The side effect is that it turns on minibuffer toolbar, > which has to be turned off manua

Re: Toolbar bugs

2006-11-18 Thread Bo Peng
(Yes, I strongly think we should keep M-x as a shortcut. Removing it just because the fix for making M-x always work... well, that sucks.). M-x now works. The side effect is that it turns on minibuffer toolbar, which has to be turned off manually. Bo

Re: Toolbar bugs

2006-11-18 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Sat, 18 Nov 2006, Bo Peng wrote: > > > What prevents it from doing what it already did in 1.4? > > > > There has been some toolbar reorganization that is not yet finished. I have > > no idea if this is a big problem or not. > > The problem is that M-x does not always work. Shouldn't the fix b

Re: Toolbar bugs

2006-11-18 Thread Bo Peng
> What prevents it from doing what it already did in 1.4? There has been some toolbar reorganization that is not yet finished. I have no idea if this is a big problem or not. The problem is that M-x does not always work. Bo

Re: Toolbar bugs

2006-11-18 Thread Georg Baum
Am Samstag, 18. November 2006 15:24 schrieb John Levon: > On Sat, Nov 18, 2006 at 08:22:05AM -0600, Bo Peng wrote: > > > >Hmm it's close to pointless without being able to switch to it easily. I > > >don't understand why it's difficult? Since I always have the minibuffer on the shortcut was not

Re: Toolbar bugs

2006-11-18 Thread John Levon
On Sat, Nov 18, 2006 at 08:22:05AM -0600, Bo Peng wrote: > >Hmm it's close to pointless without being able to switch to it easily. I > >don't understand why it's difficult? > > Becasue this feature is rarely used by normal user so the minibuffer > toolbar should not be shown by default. Then, M-x

Re: Toolbar bugs

2006-11-18 Thread Bo Peng
Hmm it's close to pointless without being able to switch to it easily. I don't understand why it's difficult? Becasue this feature is rarely used by normal user so the minibuffer toolbar should not be shown by default. Then, M-x will fail if it can not find minibuffer. I propose that power users

Re: Toolbar bugs

2006-11-18 Thread John Levon
On Sat, Nov 18, 2006 at 11:19:58AM +0100, Georg Baum wrote: > If you mean the minibuffer: No. The minibuffer is nice for debugging and > power users. I agree that no keyboard shortcut is needed, though. Hmm it's close to pointless without being able to switch to it easily. I don't understand why

Re: Toolbar bugs

2006-11-18 Thread Bo Peng
Bo> I tend to suggest that we remove this feature. I think we should not. Some people actually rely on this feature, and we would not gain much by removing it. OK. I admit that I am not a power user, at least regarding this minibuffer feature. The problem now is that M-x is supposed to work eve

Re: Toolbar bugs

2006-11-18 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Fri, Nov 17, 2006 at 10:48:36PM -0600, Bo Peng wrote: > >Some power users find it quite useful, but I doubt most people would be > >bothered. > > Then I do not see the point of wasting a shortcut for a rarely used > feature. Rarely? Just because you don't need it does not automatically make i

Re: Toolbar bugs

2006-11-18 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Sat, Nov 18, 2006 at 09:48:05PM +1800, Bo Peng wrote: > * Command completion in the minibuffer shows a huge blank area below > the proposed > commands. Clicking in that empty area crashes LyX. > > I am sorry but I have never figured out how minibuffer should be used. Reading the docs should g

Re: Toolbar bugs

2006-11-18 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Sat, 18 Nov 2006, Georg Baum wrote: > Am Samstag, 18. November 2006 05:48 schrieb Bo Peng: > > I tend to suggest that we remove this feature. > > If you mean the minibuffer: No. The minibuffer is nice for debugging and > power users. I agree that no keyboard shortcut is needed, though. I lik

Re: Toolbar bugs

2006-11-18 Thread Kornel Benko
Am Samstag, 18. November 2006 11:19 schrieb Georg Baum: > Am Samstag, 18. November 2006 05:48 schrieb Bo Peng: > > I tend to suggest that we remove this feature. > > If you mean the minibuffer: No. The minibuffer is nice for debugging and > power users. Yes please. Do not remove the minibuffer. >

Re: Toolbar bugs

2006-11-18 Thread Georg Baum
Am Samstag, 18. November 2006 05:48 schrieb Bo Peng: > I tend to suggest that we remove this feature. If you mean the minibuffer: No. The minibuffer is nice for debugging and power users. I agree that no keyboard shortcut is needed, though. Georg

Re: Toolbar bugs

2006-11-18 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Bo" == Bo Peng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> > * M-x is broken (does not bring up the minibuffer). >> > >> > So what exactly do we want M-x to do? >> >> It should make the minibuffer visible and focus on it (but not turn >> it on permanently). Bo> You mean hide the toolbar as soon as the

Re: Toolbar bugs

2006-11-17 Thread Bo Peng
> * M-x is broken (does not bring up the minibuffer). > > So what exactly do we want M-x to do? It should make the minibuffer visible and focus on it (but not turn it on permanently). You mean hide the toolbar as soon as the user hit enter (and execute the command)? This does not sound right.

Re: Toolbar bugs

2006-11-17 Thread John Levon
On Sat, Nov 18, 2006 at 09:48:05PM +1800, Bo Peng wrote: > * M-x is broken (does not bring up the minibuffer). > > So what exactly do we want M-x to do? It should make the minibuffer visible and focus on it (but not turn it on permanently). > * Command completion in the minibuffer shows a huge

Toolbar bugs

2006-11-17 Thread Bo Peng
Quote from Status.15x: TOOLBARS & MINIBUFFER * When toolbars are hidden, they pop up again after clicking on the document area (Joost 4/11/06). I do not observe this. Is this windows only? * M-x is broken (does not bring up the minibuffer). So what exactly do we want M-x to do? * Command co