Re: request for decisions for the release of LyX 2.1

2014-04-29 Thread Uwe Stöhr
Am 29.04.2014 10:32, schrieb Vincent van Ravesteijn: However, with an RC you attract more users to test a release than with a beta because people have the feeling to test an almost ready product. Yes, and with the final release you attract even more users, so let's do multiple final releases,

Re: request for decisions for the release of LyX 2.1

2014-04-29 Thread Richard Heck
On 04/29/2014 06:06 AM, Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: I also read last week that some large tech companies are going to financially support OSS to prevent any new "Heartbleed" bugs. They say this bug was caused partly because the developers of OpenSSL just didn't have enough time to ensure th

Re: request for decisions for the release of LyX 2.1

2014-04-29 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn
Jürgen Spitzmüller schreef op 29-4-2014 12:18: 2014-04-29 12:06 GMT+02:00 Vincent van Ravesteijn: OSS is not what it used to be. Most projects have ways of making money, or are supported by companies. Git's maintainer is hired by Google, major work on Git is done by GitHub people, KD

Re: request for decisions for the release of LyX 2.1

2014-04-29 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
2014-04-29 12:06 GMT+02:00 Vincent van Ravesteijn: > OSS is not what it used to be. Most projects have ways of making money, > or are supported by companies. Git's maintainer is hired by Google, major > work on Git is done by GitHub people, KDE has a large investor that allows > them to hire deve

Re: request for decisions for the release of LyX 2.1

2014-04-29 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn
Jürgen Spitzmüller schreef op 29-4-2014 11:18: 2014-04-29 10:42 GMT+02:00 Jean-Marc Lasgouttes: This is how open source software works. Developers do what they want. I do not mean that they do stuff that nobody want. But if some one wants some "boring" feature to be implemented, they

Re: request for decisions for the release of LyX 2.1

2014-04-29 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
2014-04-29 10:42 GMT+02:00 Jean-Marc Lasgouttes: > This is how open source software works. Developers do what they want. I do > not mean that they do stuff that nobody want. But if some one wants some > "boring" feature to be implemented, they have to pay someone to do it. It > is as simple as tha

Re: request for decisions for the release of LyX 2.1

2014-04-29 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 10:42 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > 28/04/2014 23:37, Uwe Stöhr: > > You mention an important point: We don't have a development plan. What >> do many customers need and what does only please us developers? We never >> did a user survey on our webpages and the lists. >

Re: request for decisions for the release of LyX 2.1

2014-04-29 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
28/04/2014 23:37, Uwe Stöhr: You mention an important point: We don't have a development plan. What do many customers need and what does only please us developers? We never did a user survey on our webpages and the lists. For example I use math ad chemistry equations almost daily and it would be

Re: request for decisions for the release of LyX 2.1

2014-04-29 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 12:20 AM, Uwe Stöhr wrote: > Am 28.04.2014 23:58, schrieb Vincent van Ravesteijn: > >> Op 28 apr. 2014 23:17 schreef "Uwe >And that is what the RC-phase is about >> in my opinion: the program is feature-frozen and string frozen. Users get >> some weeks to test thoroughly

Re: request for decisions for the release of LyX 2.1

2014-04-28 Thread Uwe Stöhr
Am 28.04.2014 23:58, schrieb Vincent van Ravesteijn: Op 28 apr. 2014 23:17 schreef "Uwe >And that is what the RC-phase is about in my opinion: the program is feature-frozen and string frozen. Users get some weeks to test thoroughly and we fix as many bugs as possible. You completely misunder

Re: request for decisions for the release of LyX 2.1

2014-04-28 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn
Op 28 apr. 2014 23:17 schreef "Uwe >And that is what the RC-phase is about in my opinion: the program is feature-frozen and string frozen. Users get some weeks to test thoroughly and we fix as many bugs as possible. > You completely misunderstood. Bèta releases are for testing. RC are release can

Re: request for decisions for the release of LyX 2.1

2014-04-28 Thread Uwe Stöhr
Am 09.04.2014 10:02, schrieb Jean-Marc Lasgouttes: 09/04/2014 00:35, Uwe Stöhr: I started this thread for various reasons, one of the main reason is that I miss a concept for LyX and the 2.1 release. What is our plan for advertisement, when do we think it is a good time to release, who of the p

Re: request for decisions for the release of LyX 2.1

2014-04-28 Thread Uwe Stöhr
Am 04.04.2014 11:16, schrieb Vincent van Ravesteijn: - For an unknown reason an RC had to be released before the docs were ready while I requested 2 more weeks. But an undocumented feature is an unknown/unused and therefore untested. The goal is to have a stable release therefore it is important

Re: request for decisions for the release of LyX 2.1

2014-04-28 Thread Uwe Stöhr
Am 04.04.2014 08:53, schrieb Vincent van Ravesteijn: On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:49 PM, Uwe Stöhr wrote: - For an unknown reason an RC had to be released before the docs were ready while I requested 2 more weeks. But an undocumented feature is an unknown/unused and therefore untested. The goal i

Re: request for decisions for the release of LyX 2.1 - private mail

2014-04-14 Thread Uwe Stöhr
Am 11.04.2014 08:46, schrieb Vincent van Ravesteijn: At first sorry for CCing that to the devel list, but I am again close to explode and need to come to an end. Please.. try to work with us, do not always stick to and repeat your own insights and don't always give us the impression that you

Re: request for decisions for the release of LyX 2.1

2014-04-09 Thread Georg Baum
Uwe Stöhr wrote: > Well, we only release a major version ever 2 - 3 years. So we should take > the time to bring it to a shape that we can advertise it. For example if > there is e.g. an issue with the installation, press people don't give a > program a good review. The same is with incomplete tra

Re: request for decisions for the release of LyX 2.1

2014-04-09 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
09/04/2014 00:35, Uwe Stöhr: I started this thread for various reasons, one of the main reason is that I miss a concept for LyX and the 2.1 release. What is our plan for advertisement, when do we think it is a good time to release, who of the press people do we ant to inform, what do we think is

Re: request for decisions for the release of LyX 2.1

2014-04-08 Thread Uwe Stöhr
Am 04.04.2014 13:47, schrieb Jürgen Spitzmüller: I do not see the need to raise a fundamental discussion about LyX 2.1 release at this point. Well, we only release a major version ever 2 - 3 years. So we should take the time to bring it to a shape that we can advertise it. For example if the

Re: request for decisions for the release of LyX 2.1

2014-04-04 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
2014-04-03 23:49 GMT+02:00 Uwe Stöhr: > - We should not release LyX this weekend. We need more time for user > feedback and if possible an RC2. Also the translators need more time. After > 3 years of development there is no reason not to wait e.g. another 2 weeks. > I see no reason to delay the r

Re: request for decisions for the release of LyX 2.1

2014-04-04 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:49 PM, Uwe Stöhr wrote: > > - For an unknown reason an RC had to be released before the docs were ready > while I requested 2 more weeks. But an undocumented feature is an > unknown/unused and therefore untested. The goal is to have a stable release > therefore it is impo

Re: request for decisions for the release of LyX 2.1

2014-04-03 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:49 PM, Uwe Stöhr wrote: > - For an unknown reason an RC had to be released before the docs were ready > while I requested 2 more weeks. But an undocumented feature is an > unknown/unused and therefore untested. The goal is to have a stable release > therefore it is import

Re: request for decisions for the release of LyX 2.1

2014-04-03 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:49 PM, Uwe Stöhr wrote: > Dear LyX developers, > > as I don't understand what is nowadays going with LyX I trigger a > discussion. > To be honest, this makes me want to stop reading immediately. Also, the remarks that you need to have a position within the project that a