Re: epsilon and varepsilon bug

1999-11-26 Thread Jose Abilio Oliveira Matos
On Fri, Nov 26, 1999 at 05:52:05PM +0100, Andre' Poenitz wrote: > > Compliments, what compliments? Those were very (not so) subtle jokes and > > you didn't notice. > > Jokes on a Friday? Come on, Jose', you should know better! I'm very sorry for the mistake, what I intend to say was "Those w

Re: epsilon and varepsilon bug

1999-11-26 Thread Andre' Poenitz
> Compliments, what compliments? Those were very (not so) subtle jokes and > you didn't notice. Jokes on a Friday? Come on, Jose', you should know better! Andre' -- Andre' Poenitz .. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: epsilon and varepsilon bug

1999-11-26 Thread Jose Abilio Oliveira Matos
On Fri, Nov 26, 1999 at 05:35:37PM +0100, Andre' Poenitz wrote: > > >> I think we have a bit different notion about what a "hack" is. > > > > Asger> You're a great diplomat. > > Lars, diplomat? You're a great diplomat, Asger. > > JMarc > Something is wrong... *scratch head* ... awfully wrong...

Re: epsilon and varepsilon bug

1999-11-26 Thread Andre' Poenitz
> >> I think we have a bit different notion about what a "hack" is. > > Asger> You're a great diplomat. > > Lars, diplomat? You're a great diplomat, Asger. > JMarc Something is wrong... *scratch head* ... awfully wrong... You are not supposed to make compliments to each other on a *Friday*. T

Re: epsilon and varepsilon bug

1999-11-26 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Asger" == Asger K Alstrup Nielsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> My point was: Much code that was from the beginning thought to be >> temporary and soon to be replaced never got replaced. Asger> My point is that this is ok sometimes. Like the delete-actually-cuts bug. Conceptually it sho

Re: epsilon and varepsilon bug

1999-11-26 Thread Asger K. Alstrup Nielsen
> My point was: Much code that was from the beginning thought to be > temporaray and soon to be replaced never got replaced. My point is that this is ok sometimes. > I think we have a bit different notion about what a "hack" is. You're a great diplomat. Cheers, Asger

Re: epsilon and varepsilon bug

1999-11-25 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Asger" == Asger K Alstrup Nielsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Asger> Regarding epsilon and varepsilon: May I suggest that we map Asger> both varepsilon and epsilon to varepsilon? This is only a Asger> problem when you want to use both variants in a document, and Asger> that is in my experi

Re: epsilon and varepsilon bug

1999-11-24 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
"Asger K. Alstrup Nielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | > | Sometimes a hack is fully sufficient. | > | > Not when a better solution exists. | | Come on, better solutions *always* exists. | | It doesn't matter which program you take -- it can always be | better. Arguing like this will not g

Re: epsilon and varepsilon bug

1999-11-24 Thread Asger K. Alstrup Nielsen
> | Sometimes a hack is fully sufficient. > > Not when a better solution exists. Come on, better solutions *always* exists. It doesn't matter which program you take -- it can always be better. Arguing like this will not get you anywhere. It's a question of priorities: Will we spent one hour

Re: epsilon and varepsilon bug

1999-11-24 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
"Asger K. Alstrup Nielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | > Hacks have a tendency to stay _way_ longer that you would ever | > imagine. | | Sometimes a hack is fully sufficient. Not when a better solution exists. Hacks should be temporary, and one should always try to find ways to remove hacks.

Re: epsilon and varepsilon bug

1999-11-24 Thread Asger K. Alstrup Nielsen
> Hacks have a tendency to stay _way_ longer that you would ever > imagine. Sometimes a hack is fully sufficient. Greets, Asger

Re: epsilon and varepsilon bug

1999-11-24 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
"Asger K. Alstrup Nielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | > You are probably right with both assumptions. However, the result is a | > hack *and* not what a 'native' LaTeX speaker would expect. I'd rather | > admit a shortcoming than to hack around. Some day we might be able to | > display arbitra

Re: epsilon and varepsilon bug

1999-11-23 Thread Asger K. Alstrup Nielsen
> You are probably right with both assumptions. However, the result is a > hack *and* not what a 'native' LaTeX speaker would expect. I'd rather > admit a shortcoming than to hack around. Some day we might be able to > display arbitrary bitmaps in any place. Doing a hack now will not prevent us f

Re: epsilon and varepsilon bug

1999-11-23 Thread Martin Norbäck
Tue Nov 23 1999, Alejandro Aguilar Sierra -> > > How hard is it to use unicode to display fonts. > > I have a unicode font installed, which has almost all of the math > > symbols used in both normal math and in ams math. > > Where can we get that font? I got a lot of unicode fonts from links fou

Re: epsilon and varepsilon bug

1999-11-23 Thread Alejandro Aguilar Sierra
On 22 Nov 1999, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > OK, I'll try that. BTW, Alejandro, I noticed recently that it is now > possible to insert spaces in math formulas. I doubt that it is > intended... Could you have a look? And there was also a patch for > using primes and subscript earlier; is it corre

Re: epsilon and varepsilon bug

1999-11-23 Thread Alejandro Aguilar Sierra
On Tue, 23 Nov 1999, Martin Norbäck wrote: > How hard is it to use unicode to display fonts. > I have a unicode font installed, which has almost all of the math > symbols used in both normal math and in ams math. Where can we get that font? > The mathed could just check for the existence of th

Re: epsilon and varepsilon bug

1999-11-23 Thread Martin Norbäck
Mon Nov 22 1999, Alejandro Aguilar Sierra -> > On 22 Nov 1999, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > > > I agree on that. Alejandro, would you have objections? Of course, a > > lot of people who used to use epsilon and be pleased to see it > > displayed on screen will not like that, and I am sure we woul

Re: epsilon and varepsilon bug

1999-11-22 Thread Andre' Poenitz
> Regarding epsilon and varepsilon: > May I suggest that we map both varepsilon and epsilon to > varepsilon? This is only a problem when you want to use > both variants in a document, and that is in my experience > very seldom, so the mayority of users will be happier. You are probably right wit

Re: epsilon and varepsilon bug

1999-11-22 Thread Asger K. Alstrup Nielsen
Regarding epsilon and varepsilon: May I suggest that we map both varepsilon and epsilon to varepsilon? This is only a problem when you want to use both variants in a document, and that is in my experience very seldom, so the mayority of users will be happier. It's much nicer to see something tha

Re: epsilon and varepsilon bug

1999-11-22 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Alejandro" == Alejandro Aguilar Sierra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Alejandro> On 22 Nov 1999, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: >> I think we should. People will be angry on the short term, but it >> is cleaner in the long term... Alejandro> Then I'll let it to you as an exercise. ;-) OK, I'll

Re: epsilon and varepsilon bug

1999-11-22 Thread Alejandro Aguilar Sierra
On 22 Nov 1999, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > I think we should. People will be angry on the short term, but it is > cleaner in the long term... Then I'll let it to you as an exercise. ;-) > Is it possible to make composite characters (eg epsilon==c+-) for > displaying or is the architecture

Re: epsilon and varepsilon bug

1999-11-22 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Alejandro" == Alejandro Aguilar Sierra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Alejandro> I think we decided to display epsilon (dressed as Alejandro> varepsilon) because it was often used by the mathed users Alejandro> at that time. Anyway this is not correct so I agreed to Alejandro> change it. Do y

Re: epsilon and varepsilon bug

1999-11-22 Thread Alejandro Aguilar Sierra
On 22 Nov 1999, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > I agree on that. Alejandro, would you have objections? Of course, a > lot of people who used to use epsilon and be pleased to see it > displayed on screen will not like that, and I am sure we would get a > lot of bug reports. I think we decided to di

Re: epsilon and varepsilon bug

1999-11-22 Thread Andre' Poenitz
> Rainer> would be the more natural decision. > > I agree on that. Alejandro, would you have objections? Of course, a > lot of people who used to use epsilon and be pleased to see it > displayed on screen will not like that, and I am sure we would get a > lot of bug reports. > > I do not know wh

Re: epsilon and varepsilon bug

1999-11-22 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Rainer" == Rainer Dorsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Rainer> I think Rainer> - Do not display \epsilon at all - Diplayt \varepsilon Rainer> correctly Rainer> would be the more natural decision. I agree on that. Alejandro, would you have objections? Of course, a lot of people who used to

Re: epsilon and varepsilon bug

1999-11-22 Thread Rainer Dorsch
> Unfortunately, the X symbol font that is used for mathed does not have > all the symbols that LyX needs. In particular, \epsilon is not here. > The choice has been made to use \varepsilon instead, but this should > maybe be changed... > Thanks for the reply. Hmm... \varepsilon is in the X-f

Re: epsilon and varepsilon bug

1999-11-22 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Rainer" == Rainer Dorsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Rainer> In lyx 1.1.2 (Debian Linux) epsilon is diplayed as varepsilon, Rainer> varepsilon is written as LaTeX command. The math panel Rainer> displays them correctly. Rainer> Please querry for futher information if necessary. Unfortuna