On Fri, 2003-01-03 at 08:37, Dr. Richard E. Hawkins wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 03, 2003 at 02:50:52AM +1030, Darren Freeman wrote:
> > On Tue, 2002-12-31 at 07:44, Dr. Richard E. Hawkins wrote:
> > > On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 11:26:59AM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
>
> > > Also, bz2 compression can
On Fri, Jan 03, 2003 at 02:50:52AM +1030, Darren Freeman wrote:
> On Tue, 2002-12-31 at 07:44, Dr. Richard E. Hawkins wrote:
> > On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 11:26:59AM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> > Also, bz2 compression can handle losing bits out of the middle, unlike
> > gzip.
> Interesting
On Tue, 2002-12-31 at 07:44, Dr. Richard E. Hawkins wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 11:26:59AM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> > > "Andre" == Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>
> > Andre> I'd rather make .lyx gzipped by default. Doesn't Staroffice do
> > Andre> something simi
On Sat, 2002-12-28 at 06:20, John Levon wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 27, 2002 at 07:35:07AM +1030, Darren Freeman wrote:
>
> > What is the goal?
> >
> > The representation of the user's data is the goal, as I see it.
>
> There is more than one goal. And adding ugly compression code is a
> stupid thing t
On Tue, 2002-12-31 at 10:21, Bruce Sass wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Dec 2002, Darren Freeman wrote:
> > On Sat, 2002-12-28 at 07:23, Bruce Sass wrote:
> > > On Thu, 27 Dec 2002, Darren Freeman wrote:
> > > > > > So I would say this: apart from obvious shortening of bloated symbols,
> > > > > > leave them r
On Fri, 28 Dec 2002, Darren Freeman wrote:
> On Sat, 2002-12-28 at 07:23, Bruce Sass wrote:
> > On Thu, 27 Dec 2002, Darren Freeman wrote:
> > > > > So I would say this: apart from obvious shortening of bloated symbols,
> > > > > leave them readable (and compatible!). As long as gzipping becomes th
On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 11:26:59AM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> > "Andre" == Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Andre> I'd rather make .lyx gzipped by default. Doesn't Staroffice do
> Andre> something similar?
> We could have both the plain .lyx format and a compressed .lyz
On Fri, Dec 27, 2002 at 07:35:07AM +1030, Darren Freeman wrote:
> What is the goal?
>
> The representation of the user's data is the goal, as I see it.
There is more than one goal. And adding ugly compression code is a
stupid thing to do before considering sensible limitation of the data
itself.
On Thu, 27 Dec 2002, Darren Freeman wrote:
> > > So I would say this: apart from obvious shortening of bloated symbols,
> > > leave them readable (and compatible!). As long as gzipping becomes the
> > > standard, that's a good thing since it's a tiny penalty for a large
> > > gain.
> >
> > Frankly,
On Sat, 2002-12-28 at 07:23, Bruce Sass wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Dec 2002, Darren Freeman wrote:
> > > > So I would say this: apart from obvious shortening of bloated symbols,
> > > > leave them readable (and compatible!). As long as gzipping becomes the
> > > > standard, that's a good thing since it's
On Sat, 2002-12-28 at 01:23, Martin Vermeer wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 27, 2002 at 07:35:07AM +1030, Darren Freeman spake thusly:
>
> > On Sun, 2002-12-22 at 00:27, John Levon wrote:
> > > On Sat, Dec 21, 2002 at 10:51:42PM +1030, Darren Freeman wrote:
>
> ...
>
> > > > So I would say this: apart fr
On Fri, Dec 27, 2002 at 07:35:07AM +1030, Darren Freeman spake thusly:
> On Sun, 2002-12-22 at 00:27, John Levon wrote:
> > On Sat, Dec 21, 2002 at 10:51:42PM +1030, Darren Freeman wrote:
...
> > > So I would say this: apart from obvious shortening of bloated symbols,
> > > leave them readable
On Sat, Dec 28, 2002 at 05:15:38PM +1030, Darren Freeman spake thusly:
> On Sat, 2002-12-28 at 01:23, Martin Vermeer wrote:
> > On Fri, Dec 27, 2002 at 07:35:07AM +1030, Darren Freeman spake thusly:
> > I don't quite buy this class of arguments that Moore's Law will
> > obsolesce the art of ef
On Sun, 2002-12-22 at 00:27, John Levon wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 21, 2002 at 10:51:42PM +1030, Darren Freeman wrote:
>
> > I agree in principle, but would like to see tests to show which activity
> > is actually more productive. Remember that shrinking the symbol names
>
> Why would we do that ?
Bec
On Sun, 2002-12-22 at 04:13, Martin Vermeer wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 21, 2002 at 10:51:42PM +1030, Darren Freeman spake thusly:
>
> ...
>
> > But as for eliminating symbols altogether by more intelligent use of
> > defaults, I'd say: go for it! That will shave off some data.
> >
> > But before maki
On Sat, Dec 21, 2002 at 10:51:42PM +1030, Darren Freeman spake thusly:
...
> But as for eliminating symbols altogether by more intelligent use of
> defaults, I'd say: go for it! That will shave off some data.
>
> But before making the statement definitive, I had another go. I removed
> what I t
On Sat, Dec 21, 2002 at 10:51:42PM +1030, Darren Freeman wrote:
> I agree in principle, but would like to see tests to show which activity
> is actually more productive. Remember that shrinking the symbol names
Why would we do that ?
> shouldn't have much of an effect on the gzip file size.. You
On Sat, 2002-12-21 at 00:01, John Levon wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 09:49:56AM +0100, Andre Poenitz wrote:
>
> > I'd rather make .lyx gzipped by default. Doesn't Staroffice do something
> > similar?
>
> Lets look at the bloat first. You don't fix kernel bugs first by running
> 3 redundant ma
Whoa, Kuba,
that was a pretty interesting reply. Thanks!!!
Yeah we never said it was compression, it was a sarcastic joke against
M$ to say that we compress our files by saving them over and over =)
On Sat, 2002-12-21 at 03:43, Kuba Ober wrote:
> > size. So if your file won't fit on floppy, do
On piątek 20 grudzień 2002 04:09 pm, Bo Peng wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 12:13:44PM -0500, Kuba Ober wrote:
> > > In fact, a group of my friends coined the term "Microsoft Compression"
> > > to refer to the amazing phenomenon of saving the same Powerpoint
> > > document over and over again unt
On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 12:13:44PM -0500, Kuba Ober wrote:
> > In fact, a group of my friends coined the term "Microsoft Compression"
> > to refer to the amazing phenomenon of saving the same Powerpoint
> > document over and over again until the file size is as small as
> > possible. We have obser
> In fact, a group of my friends coined the term "Microsoft Compression"
> to refer to the amazing phenomenon of saving the same Powerpoint
> document over and over again until the file size is as small as
> possible. We have observed that it incrementally grows with each save,
> until about 3 tim
On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 09:49:56AM +0100, Andre Poenitz wrote:
> I'd rather make .lyx gzipped by default. Doesn't Staroffice do something
> similar?
Lets look at the bloat first. You don't fix kernel bugs first by running
3 redundant machines ...
regards
john
--
"ALL television is children's te
On Fri, 2002-12-20 at 22:41, Peter Suetterlin wrote:
> Andre Poenitz wrote:
> Hmm, maybe not on an image-by-image basis. I'd rather like a special
> save-option 'save as complete document', where everything - including
> all external parts - is saved in one tar/zip/whatever archive.
>
> This woul
On Fri, 2002-12-20 at 21:58, Andre Poenitz wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 12:27:53PM +0100, Peter Suetterlin wrote:
> > I'd vote against that, at least as a default setting:
> > There are many things (especially *huge* bibtex references) that I'm
> > using in most of my writings. I really don't
Andre Poenitz wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 12:27:53PM +0100, Peter Suetterlin wrote:
> > I'd vote against that, at least as a default setting:
> > There are many things (especially *huge* bibtex references) that I'm
> > using in most of my writings. I really don't want to bloat my text
> > fil
On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 12:27:53PM +0100, Peter Suetterlin wrote:
> I'd vote against that, at least as a default setting:
> There are many things (especially *huge* bibtex references) that I'm
> using in most of my writings. I really don't want to bloat my text
> files by appending that over and o
Andre Poenitz wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 11:01:53AM +0100, Moritz Moeller-Herrmann wrote:
> > > I'd rather make .lyx gzipped by default. Doesn't Staroffice do something
> > > similar?
> >
> > They use the zip compression, because you can append to it unlike tar.gz.
> > koffice uses the same
On Fri, 2002-12-20 at 20:56, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> > "Andre" == Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Andre> On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 06:06:29PM +1030, Darren Freeman wrote:
> >> Any objections? Comments?
>
> Andre> I'd rather make .lyx gzipped by default. Doesn't Staroffice do
On Fri, 2002-12-20 at 20:19, Andre Poenitz wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 07:30:46PM +1030, Darren Freeman wrote:
> > I'm not sure how it works, but on my Mandrake 9.0 system I can just do
> > something like less x.gz and it will transparently unpack it. I guess
> > there's some kind of shell ext
> "Andre" == Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Andre> On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 06:06:29PM +1030, Darren Freeman wrote:
>> Any objections? Comments?
Andre> I'd rather make .lyx gzipped by default. Doesn't Staroffice do
Andre> something similar?
We could have both the plain .lyx format
On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 11:01:53AM +0100, Moritz Moeller-Herrmann wrote:
> > I'd rather make .lyx gzipped by default. Doesn't Staroffice do something
> > similar?
>
> They use the zip compression, because you can append to it unlike tar.gz.
> koffice uses the same approach.
>
> If you compress an
Andre Poenitz wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 06:06:29PM +1030, Darren Freeman wrote:
>> Any objections? Comments?
>
> I'd rather make .lyx gzipped by default. Doesn't Staroffice do something
> similar?
They use the zip compression, because you can append to it unlike tar.gz.
koffice uses the s
On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 06:06:29PM +1030, Darren Freeman wrote:
> Any objections? Comments?
I'd rather make .lyx gzipped by default. Doesn't Staroffice do something
similar?
This is an extra burden for people like me who regularly do search&replace
in the .lyx file itself, but I'd guess that's th
Dear list,
Since the LyX file format is moving towards more and more attribute
tags, especially in tables, and this kind of information compresses
quite nicely (along with the actual text), why not make .lyx.gz a
standard file format?
I propose that the file save dialogue has a checkbox for invok
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