Jean-Marc Lasgouttes schrieb:
Uwe> I'm not able to maintain Joost's code :-(
It is a pity that we have to keep two installers. One reason why I'd
rather not have your installer in the tree is that you keep adding
things that are not in LyX itself.
With the patch for the viewing toolbar I have
Uwe Stöhr schrieb:
>>The
>>SET OUTPUT_CHARSET=xxx
>>
>>setting is needed that LyX can be installed in folder/paths with
accented characters, umlauts,
>> etc. I've build in a lookup table for the different languages.
Unfortunately utf-8 cannot be
>> used, only a cp charset - I
> "Uwe" == Uwe Stöhr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Uwe> Joost's installer is based on mine but he build in many special
Uwe> things that I cannot maintain. I listed the differences here:
Uwe> http://wiki.lyx.org/Windows/LyXWinInstaller
I do not see what Joost built in. Only the advantages f you
>>The
>>SET OUTPUT_CHARSET=xxx
>>
>>setting is needed that LyX can be installed in folder/paths with accented
characters, umlauts,
>> etc. I've build in a lookup table for the different languages. Unfortunately
utf-8 cannot be
>> used, only a cp charset - I found out that this is a
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes schrieb:
Uwe> Btw. I want to upload my installer stuff to SVN, is that OK?
Please not unless Joost agrees about the changes. I do not think it is
a good idea to have two different installers. You should be able to
agree on a common base.
I cannot reach him for weeks now a
On Wed, Jan 17, 2007 at 10:49:48AM +0100, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
> Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> > @echo off
> > SET OUTPUT_CHARSET=cp-1252
> > SET LANG=de_DE
> > SET AIK_DATA_DIR=C:\Program Files (x86)\LyX 1.5svn-15-01-2007\aiksaurus
> > start "LyX" "C:\Program Files (x86)\LyX 1.5svn-15-01-2007\bin\lyx.e
On Wed, Jan 17, 2007 at 01:10:51PM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> > "Enrico" == Enrico Forestieri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Enrico> The language setting could be asked to the system when LC_ALL
> Enrico> or LANG are not set in the environment. See for example:
> Enrico> http://blo
> "Enrico" == Enrico Forestieri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Enrico> The language setting could be asked to the system when LC_ALL
Enrico> or LANG are not set in the environment. See for example:
Enrico> http://blogs.msdn.com/michkap/archive/2005/02/01/364707.aspx
Enrico> http://www.microsoft.c
> "Uwe" == Uwe Stöhr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Uwe> Btw. I want to upload my installer stuff to SVN, is that OK?
Please not unless Joost agrees about the changes. I do not think it is
a good idea to have two different installers. You should be able to
agree on a common base.
JMarc
Uwe Stöhr wrote:
>>This is the content of the batch file:
>>
>>@echo off
>>SET LC_ALL=en_EN
>>SET AIK_DATA_DIR=D:\program\LyX14\aiksaurus
>>start "LyX" "D:\program\LyX14\bin\lyx.exe" %*
No, the current version is e.g.:
@echo off
SET OUTPUT_CHARSET=c
>>This is the content of the batch file:
>>
>>@echo off
>>SET LC_ALL=en_EN
>>SET AIK_DATA_DIR=D:\program\LyX14\aiksaurus
>>start "LyX" "D:\program\LyX14\bin\lyx.exe" %*
No, the current version is e.g.:
@echo off
SET OUTPUT_CHARSET=cp-1252
SET LANG=de_DE
SE
On Tue, Jan 16, 2007 at 05:27:24PM +0100, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
> Enrico Forestieri wrote:
> > On Windows, the Aiksaurus data dir location can be set in the registry:
> > HKLM\Software\Aiksaurus\Data_Dir
> > The environment variable simply overrides the registry setting.
>
> Very good then. U
Enrico Forestieri wrote:
On Tue, Jan 16, 2007 at 04:08:14PM +0100, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
"Abdelrazak" == Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Edwin> why not set the language when installing lyx and be done with
Edwin> it...
This is indeed what we do n
On Tue, Jan 16, 2007 at 04:08:14PM +0100, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
> Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> >> "Abdelrazak" == Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > Edwin> why not set the language when installing lyx and be done with
> > Edwin> it...
> >>> This is indeed what we do no
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
"Abdelrazak" == Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Edwin> why not set the language when installing lyx and be done with
Edwin> it...
This is indeed what we do now.
Abdelrazak> What do you mean here? The current solution is to create a
Abdelrazak> batch
> "Abdelrazak" == Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Edwin> why not set the language when installing lyx and be done with
Edwin> it...
>> This is indeed what we do now.
Abdelrazak> What do you mean here? The current solution is to create a
Abdelrazak> batch file that sets LANG bef
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
"Edwin" == Edwin Leuven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Edwin> Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
Yes (however, OOo is a good example on how to clutter the
preferences with all sorts of stuff).
Edwin> why not set the language when installing lyx and be done with
Edwin> it...
On Tue, 16 Jan 2007, Georg Baum wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks. If I decide to use it (professionally) I'll have to look into it
closer.
I recommend interested people monitoring the mailing list (or go through
the archives of the last few months), this will be interesting.
Good ti
I think that the ui language should not be settable from inside lyx.
I haven't really followed this thread, so I might just repeate what
someone else has said.
I can think of one reason why normal users might want to be able to
temporarily change the language of the UI from within LyX.
> "Abdelrazak" == Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Note that to do that properly, _all_ calls to Buffer::B_ should be
>> audited.
Abdelrazak> Of course I've done that and I was planning to remove the
Abdelrazak> method altogether:
Very good! I thought there were more of thes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
This is indeed what we do now. Also, considering that we ship 2.5M of
translations, we could consider to install only those that people
choose.
indeed
> "Edwin" == Edwin Leuven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Edwin> Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
>> Yes (however, OOo is a good example on how to clutter the
>> preferences with all sorts of stuff).
Edwin> why not set the language when installing lyx and be done with
Edwin> it...
This is indeed what w
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
"Abdelrazak" == Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Abdelrazak> Georg Baum wrote:
Am Sonntag, 14. Januar 2007 15:13 schrieb Abdelrazak Younes:
The Gui elements uses messages_["GUI"] and the translatable
element inside a document (mainly layout items) are
> "Abdelrazak" == Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Abdelrazak> Georg Baum wrote:
>> Am Sonntag, 14. Januar 2007 15:13 schrieb Abdelrazak Younes:
>>
>>> The Gui elements uses messages_["GUI"] and the translatable
>>> element inside a document (mainly layout items) are using
>>> me
Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
> OK, forget about it. I am not going to fight for it but let me say that
> I think it is useful at least to get rid of the need for the batch file
> under windows. If you don't want a dialog, that's OK, it is not really
> important. But I think we can put put the setting
Edwin Leuven wrote:
Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
Yes (however, OOo is a good example on how to clutter the preferences
with all sorts of stuff).
why not set the language when installing lyx and be done with it...
Yes, we can just put it lyxrc.dist and be done with it. Forget about the
dialog.
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
"Abdelrazak" == Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Seriously, one can do that in firefox?
Tools-> options->Advanced->Languages.
Isn't this the language of the web pages? At least on linux this is
the only one I have.
You're right. Weird, I am sure I
Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
Yes (however, OOo is a good example on how to clutter the preferences with all
sorts of stuff).
why not set the language when installing lyx and be done with it...
Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
> > Seriously, one can do that in firefox?
>
> Tools->options->Advanced->Languages.
Nope. That is the language of websites (that are available in multiple
languages). At least in the Linux version
> > How? And in ms word?
>
> The standard Word version I am not sure but I
> "Abdelrazak" == Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Seriously, one can do that in firefox?
Tools-> options->Advanced->Languages.
Isn't this the language of the web pages? At least on linux this is
the only one I have.
>> How? And in ms word?
Abdelrazak> The standard Word ve
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
"Abdelrazak" == Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Abdelrazak> The idea is to allow the user to choose the language via
Abdelrazak> the settings if he _choose_ to do so.
Abdelrazak> You and Lars and all users that do not need this feature
Abdelrazak> can
Georg Baum wrote:
Am Sonntag, 14. Januar 2007 15:13 schrieb Abdelrazak Younes:
The Gui elements uses messages_["GUI"] and the translatable element
inside a document (mainly layout items) are using messages_[language]
where language is given by the Buffer language. We can change that to
use th
> "Abdelrazak" == Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> This will also break the linux "locale" theorem.
>>
>> But, if you switch to ignore the LANG variable:
>>
>> 1. I prefer to create a command line switch to override the lyxrc
>> settings.
Abdelrazak> Sure there will be an "
> "Abdelrazak" == Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Abdelrazak> The idea is to allow the user to choose the language via
Abdelrazak> the settings if he _choose_ to do so.
Abdelrazak> You and Lars and all users that do not need this feature
Abdelrazak> can simply ignore it.
If a b
Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
| Objection?
Yes.
I think this will result in surprising behaviour.
1. Set languag inside lyx to "swedish" (why not?)
- save and exit
Why would you do that at the first place if you don't like the feature?
2. ru
Alex wrote:
As a translator I often need to start two LyX session, one using my
local language and the other using english.
It would be impossible or hard to do this without the LANG variable!
The idea is just to allow the setting for those who wants to. It is even
possible to have two differ
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Thanks. If I decide to use it (professionally) I'll have to look into it
> closer.
I recommend interested people monitoring the mailing list (or go through the
archives of the last few months), this will be interesting.
Georg
On Mon, 15 Jan 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Mon, 15 Jan 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Just one small remark:
> Scilab is neither free nor open source software.
Um.. why do you say that? (I just downloaded the source and read the
license agreement.
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Mon, 15 Jan 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just one small remark:
Scilab is neither free nor open source software.
Um.. why do you say that? (I just downloaded the source and read the
license agreement. It's not GPL, but seems ok).
A simple google search re
On Mon, 15 Jan 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jan 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Quoting Uwe Stöhr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> But by the way, you can change the language in "Scilab" (the
> OpenSource alternative to Mathlab). Scilab is also available for
> Linux, so how is thi
On Mon, 15 Jan 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Quoting Uwe Stöhr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
But by the way, you can change the language in "Scilab" (the
OpenSource alternative to Mathlab). Scilab is also available for
Linux, so how is this implemented there? JMarc, aren't you an INRIA
people and
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes schrieb:
Well, scilab, which is a fine program, is not what I would take as
model of a native interface :) I played with it for a few minutes, and
I am not able to tell how I could change the language...
Use the menu Preferences -> Language, then you can switch between Fre
Quoting Uwe Stöhr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
But by the way, you can change the language in "Scilab" (the
OpenSource alternative to Mathlab). Scilab is also available for
Linux, so how is this implemented there? JMarc, aren't you an INRIA
people and can perhaps ask a collegue?
Just one small remark
> "Uwe" == Uwe Stöhr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Uwe> But by the way, you can change the language in "Scilab" (the
Uwe> OpenSource alternative to Mathlab). Scilab is also available for
Uwe> Linux, so how is this implemented there? JMarc, aren't you an
Uwe> INRIA people and can perhaps ask a co
> Uwe> You have to set the option "Choose at application startup" then
> Uwe> you can select different languages when you restart Acrobat.
> It seems that it does nothing when only one language is installed.
Yes of corse.
But by the way, you can change the language in "Scilab" (the OpenSource a
> "Uwe" == Uwe Stöhr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Uwe> Afterwards, because our default installation is always in German.
I see. The installation is done globally, right?
Uwe> Changing the language is for example possible in Acrobat.
>> Yes, I've seen that. On my system the choice is between
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes schrieb:
Uwe> This is correct, I see that some of my foreign collegues change
Uwe> the menu language of a program if possible, from German to
Uwe> English.
At install time or afterwards?
Afterwards, because our default installation is always in German.
Uwe> Changing t
Mate Wierdl wrote:
On Mon, Jan 15, 2007 at 06:53:30AM -0600, Mate Wierdl wrote:
In my case, I write (science stuff) both in Hungarian and English all
the time.
... and I often share the account with other people. A typical
scenario: a colleague comes to my office, and wants to show me
> "Mate" == Mate Wierdl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Mate> On Mon, Jan 15, 2007 at 06:53:30AM -0600, Mate Wierdl wrote:
>> In my case, I write (science stuff) both in Hungarian and English
>> all the time.
Mate> ... and I often share the account with other people. A typical
Mate> scenario: a c
> "Mate" == Mate Wierdl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Mate> In my case, I write (science stuff) both in Hungarian and
Mate> English all the time.
But do you need to switch the language of the menus all the time? I
also switch between french and english for the documents.
JMarc
On Mon, Jan 15, 2007 at 06:53:30AM -0600, Mate Wierdl wrote:
> In my case, I write (science stuff) both in Hungarian and English all
> the time.
... and I often share the account with other people. A typical
scenario: a colleague comes to my office, and wants to show me how a
certain thing is don
In my case, I write (science stuff) both in Hungarian and English all
the time.
Máté
On Mon, Jan 15, 2007 at 10:33:01AM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> > "Uwe" == Uwe Stöhr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Uwe> In my opinion the setting in LyX's preferences should be taken
> Uwe> and the
> "Uwe" == Uwe Stöhr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Uwe> Jean-Marc Lasgouttes schrieb:
>> Where is this setting in word? In firefox? 99% of the users to
>> _not_ ever need to change this setting.
Uwe> This is correct, I see that some of my foreign collegues change
Uwe> the menu language of a pro
Georg Baum wrote:
Am Sonntag, 14. Januar 2007 19:26 schrieb Enrico Forestieri:
This means that when none of the LC_* or LANG variables are set, we are
allowed to do how we please. So, the proposal by Abdel could be
implemented
but only used in this case. As Windows does not set an
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes schrieb:
Where is this setting in word? In firefox? 99% of the users to _not_
ever need to change this setting.
This is correct, I see that some of my foreign collegues change the menu language of a program if
possible, from German to English. Changing the language is fo
> "Uwe" == Uwe Stöhr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Uwe> In my opinion the setting in LyX's preferences should be taken
Uwe> and the LANG setting ignored.
I would strongly oppose to that in linux.
Uwe> This implies that I think it is a nice feature be be able to set
Uwe> the language from insi
Dears,
>>> I think this will result in surprising behaviour.
>>>
>>> 1. Set languag inside lyx to "swedish" (why not?)
>>>- save and exit
>>> 2. run lyx with LANG=no_NO ./lyx
>>>- get a nice swedish lyx
>>>
>>> I think that the ui language should not be settable from inside lyx.
>>>
>>
On Sun, Jan 14, 2007 at 09:04:26PM +0100, Georg Baum wrote:
> Am Sonntag, 14. Januar 2007 19:26 schrieb Enrico Forestieri:
>
> > This means that when none of the LC_* or LANG variables are set, we are
> > allowed to do how we please. So, the proposal by Abdel could be
> implemented
> > but only
Am Sonntag, 14. Januar 2007 19:26 schrieb Enrico Forestieri:
> This means that when none of the LC_* or LANG variables are set, we are
> allowed to do how we please. So, the proposal by Abdel could be
implemented
> but only used in this case. As Windows does not set any of the above
> variables,
On Sun, Jan 14, 2007 at 06:36:52PM +0100, Georg Baum wrote:
> What for some users is fiddling is a useful feature for others. I do agree
> that the LANG variable is not convenient for most windows users, so an
> alternative should be implemented, but the LANG variable should not be
> dropped at
On Sun, Jan 14, 2007 at 05:22:26PM +0100, Michael Gerz wrote:
> Lars Gullik Bjønnes schrieb:
> > Yes.
> >
> > I think this will result in surprising behaviour.
> >
> > 1. Set languag inside lyx to "swedish" (why not?)
> >- save and exit
> > 2. run lyx with LANG=no_NO ./lyx
> >- get a nice
Am Sonntag, 14. Januar 2007 17:57 schrieb Uwe Stöhr:
> In my opinion the setting in LyX's preferences should be taken and the
LANG setting ignored.
Not ignored. This is standard on unix as Lars wrote, and I don't want to
learn a new way of doing this for every program.
> This
> implies that
Am Sonntag, 14. Januar 2007 15:13 schrieb Abdelrazak Younes:
> The Gui elements uses messages_["GUI"] and the translatable element
> inside a document (mainly layout items) are using messages_[language]
> where language is given by the Buffer language. We can change that to
> use the Paragraph
Michael Gerz schrieb:
Lars Gullik Bjønnes schrieb:
I think this will result in surprising behaviour.
1. Set languag inside lyx to "swedish" (why not?)
- save and exit
2. run lyx with LANG=no_NO ./lyx
- get a nice swedish lyx
I think that the ui language should not be settable from insi
Michael Gerz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
| Lars Gullik Bjønnes schrieb:
| > Yes.
| >
| > I think this will result in surprising behaviour.
| >
| > 1. Set languag inside lyx to "swedish" (why not?)
| >- save and exit
| > 2. run lyx with LANG=no_NO ./lyx
| >- get a nice swedish lyx
| >
| > I
Lars Gullik Bjønnes schrieb:
Yes.
I think this will result in surprising behaviour.
1. Set languag inside lyx to "swedish" (why not?)
- save and exit
2. run lyx with LANG=no_NO ./lyx
- get a nice swedish lyx
I think that the ui language should not be settable from inside lyx.
Well, w
Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
| Hello,
|
| The attached patch allow to set the language used in the GUI via the
| the lyxrc mechanism. If the new 'gui_language' setting is empty or non
| present, the language will be taken from the environment variables as
| usual.
|
| With this
Michael Gerz wrote:
Abdelrazak Younes schrieb:
Hello,
The attached patch allow to set the language used in the GUI via the
the lyxrc mechanism. If the new 'gui_language' setting is empty or non
present, the language will be taken from the environment variables as
usual.
With this patch it
Abdelrazak Younes schrieb:
Hello,
The attached patch allow to set the language used in the GUI via the
the lyxrc mechanism. If the new 'gui_language' setting is empty or non
present, the language will be taken from the environment variables as
usual.
With this patch it is now possible the G
Hello,
The attached patch allow to set the language used in the GUI via the the
lyxrc mechanism. If the new 'gui_language' setting is empty or non
present, the language will be taken from the environment variables as usual.
With this patch it is now possible the GUI language at run time and w
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