On Monday 05 February 2007 10:58:23 am Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> So the label should be in the same paragraph as the section, right?
Yes.
> I guess this is important for hyperlinks too.
Among others, but this example captures the usefulness of this behaviour.
> JMarc
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> "José" == José Matos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
José> On Sunday 04 February 2007 4:21:47 pm Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
José> wrote:
>> Also, I wonder what it does to docbook (we are not only doing
>> latex)
José> Every element can have an id, so that it can be referenced by
José> that name aft
On Sunday 04 February 2007 4:21:47 pm Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> Also, I wonder what it does to docbook (we are not only doing latex)
Every element can have an id, so that it can be referenced by that name
afterwards.
At a certain point I used to catch the label as the first paragraph e
On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 09:05:18PM +0100, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
> Why would a user put a label in the middle of the section title? LyX is
> about automatic formatting. It is about doing _the_ _right_ _thing_.
> There is no logic to put the label in the middle of the text for a section.
Could
> "Abdelrazak" == Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Abdelrazak> Besides, could you give me one single reason as to why it
Abdelrazak> is _so_ important to place the label inside the section as
Abdelrazak> opposed to rightly after. The end-result will be 100% the
Abdelrazak> same be
Georg Baum schrieb:
In the Cross reference dialog, list in addition to existing labels all
sections, figures etc. (maybe in different lists). If the user chooses to
reference such a section, insert a normal label in that section und use
that. Then the user can for example change the automaticiall
On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 01:46:27PM +0100, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
> Enrico Forestieri wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 12:32:11PM +0100, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
> >> Besides, could you give me one single reason as to why it is _so_
> >> important to place the label inside the section as oppose
> "Enrico" == Enrico Forestieri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> You seem to miss the fact this is all about a LateX limitation, not
>> LyX.
Enrico> Abdel, do you know LaTeX?
Since I am a cheap oldtimer, I only have the original LaTeX 2.09
documentation. However, at page 187, it says: "\label
Enrico Forestieri wrote:
On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 12:21:25PM +0100, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
Enrico Forestieri wrote:
Once, someone noted that he didn't succeed in trying to convince latex
people to switch to lyx. If lyx starts getting in the way such that I
cannot do what I could directly do i
> "Abdelrazak" == Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Abdelrazak> Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
>> No the question is to understand _why_ a reference causes a problem
>> there. My understanding was that it was because the argument to
>> \section is a moving argument, and I thus propose
On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 01:35:12PM +0100, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
> Enrico Forestieri wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 12:32:11PM +0100, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
>
> >> The end-result will be 100% the same because this is how LateX works.
> >
> > LaTeX let me do what I want, LyX not anymore.
>
On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 12:21:25PM +0100, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
> Enrico Forestieri wrote:
>
> > Once, someone noted that he didn't succeed in trying to convince latex
> > people to switch to lyx. If lyx starts getting in the way such that I
> > cannot do what I could directly do in latex, afte
Enrico Forestieri wrote:
On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 12:32:11PM +0100, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
Besides, could you give me one single reason as to why it is _so_
important to place the label inside the section as opposed to rightly
after.
Because I could have redefined the \label command to do so
Enrico Forestieri wrote:
On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 12:32:11PM +0100, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
The end-result will be 100% the same because this is how LateX works.
LaTeX let me do what I want, LyX not anymore.
Look at the log, it has been reverted since this morning...
Abdel.
On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 12:32:11PM +0100, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
> Enrico Forestieri wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 10:07:31PM +0100, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
> >
> >> In the mean time, I still think that my commit is an improvement over
> >> current situation. It is nice to say that we sho
Enrico Forestieri wrote:
On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 10:07:31PM +0100, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
In the mean time, I still think that my commit is an improvement over
current situation. It is nice to say that we should educate the user
but, IMHO, the less thing he has to learn in order to use LyX,
On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 09:32:06AM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> Labels could be turned to paragraph parameters, like we do in maths. I
> do not know whether there are real cases where someone needs precise
> placement.
Whatever the solution you adopt, please consider the following.
I don
Enrico Forestieri wrote:
Once, someone noted that he didn't succeed in trying to convince latex
people to switch to lyx. If lyx starts getting in the way such that I
cannot do what I could directly do in latex, after more than ten years
I may even consider to continue using lyx instead of some o
On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 09:49:29AM +0100, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote:
> Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
>
> > In the mean time, I still think that my commit is an improvement over
> > current situation. It is nice to say that we should educate the user
> > but, IMHO, the less thing he has to learn in ord
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
"Georg" == Georg Baum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
I strongly disagree. It is very natural to insert a label when the
cursor is inside a section. The label is a _markup_... the concept
is not very far from the numbering of the caption labels. Do we
ha
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
No the question is to understand _why_ a reference causes a problem
there. My understanding was that it was because the argument to
\section is a moving argument, and I thus propose to just \protect the
\ref. Now Uwe tells us that both Herbert and the hyperref author (
Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
> In the mean time, I still think that my commit is an improvement over
> current situation. It is nice to say that we should educate the user
> but, IMHO, the less thing he has to learn in order to use LyX, the better.
>
> What do others think?
Since you ask (and it's f
> "Georg" == Georg Baum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> I strongly disagree. It is very natural to insert a label when the
>> cursor is inside a section. The label is a _markup_... the concept
>> is not very far from the numbering of the caption labels. Do we
>> have user complaining about not
Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
> No, you misunderstood me. I mean there is no reason why a user would
> prefer the label before, after or in the middle of the section; he
> should not care and this should be done automatically for him.
This is your opinion. But as you can see from Enricos answer users
> "Abdelrazak" == Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> The problem is definitely not that the section is numbered.
Abdelrazak> In the LyX context that's definitely the problem.
Do you have _one_ good reason to believe that??
Abdelrazak> But as I said in the comments, I can repl
On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 10:07:31PM +0100, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
> In the mean time, I still think that my commit is an improvement over
> current situation. It is nice to say that we should educate the user
> but, IMHO, the less thing he has to learn in order to use LyX, the better.
>
> What
Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
It is nice to say that we should educate the user
but, IMHO, the less thing he has to learn in order to use LyX, the better.
Especially so when the Tutorial doesn't teach the correct way:
Let's mark our second section, whose title is "About This Document".
Click at th
Georg Baum wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 1. Februar 2007 21:05 schrieb Abdelrazak Younes:
Why would a user put a label in the middle of the section title? LyX is
about automatic formatting. It is about doing _the_ _right_ _thing_.
There is no logic to put the label in the middle of the text for a
se
Am Donnerstag, 1. Februar 2007 21:05 schrieb Abdelrazak Younes:
> Why would a user put a label in the middle of the section title? LyX is
> about automatic formatting. It is about doing _the_ _right_ _thing_.
> There is no logic to put the label in the middle of the text for a
section.
So why
Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
At least with this automatic label placement, the user knows that the
label placement is not something that I prefer to teach the user that
I guess I was about to say something miraculously clever here but I
forgot what :-)
Abdel.
Georg Baum wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 1. Februar 2007 19:01 schrieb Abdelrazak Younes:
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
Please, not more of these hacks!!!
Sorry but this is not a hack. LyX should be intelligent in the placement
of insets. In this case, the code is clear and simple, the output is
100% t
Georg Baum schrieb:
If inserting a label in a
section is not possible, because the button is greyed out the user more
likely sees that this was done on purpose.
I really would prefer to educate the user rather than doing undocumented
black magic (as I wrote here:
http://bugzilla.lyx.org/show
Am Donnerstag, 1. Februar 2007 19:01 schrieb Abdelrazak Younes:
> Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> > Please, not more of these hacks!!!
>
> Sorry but this is not a hack. LyX should be intelligent in the placement
> of insets. In this case, the code is clear and simple, the output is
> 100% the same
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
"younes" == younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
younes> Author: younes Date: Thu Feb 1 18:21:05 2007 New Revision:
younes> 17010
younes> URL: http://www.lyx.org/trac/changeset/17010 Log: As explained
younes> in the comments, this is a partial fix for bug 2154:
youne
> "younes" == younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
younes> Author: younes Date: Thu Feb 1 18:21:05 2007 New Revision:
younes> 17010
younes> URL: http://www.lyx.org/trac/changeset/17010 Log: As explained
younes> in the comments, this is a partial fix for bug 2154:
younes> http://bugzilla.lyx.or
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