Re: [Bug 5024] TeX error of LyX 1.5 documents when babel was loaded manually in preamble

2008-07-13 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Uwe Stöhr wrote: > But with your proposal using hyperref or not is then the same as converting > from 1.5 to 1.6 and vice versa. I use for example in all my German > documents commands to translate the word "Index" to Stichwort- und > Befehlsverzeichnis" or similar. Therefore I have a a babel call

Re: Bug 5024: request for opinions

2008-07-13 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
José Matos wrote: > > When converting old documents, option c) would be used. > > New documents would use babel by default and option a). > > In this case I agree with Enrico's analysis and proposed solutions. After > all we have this for other latex packages as well and it is not as if we > are th

Re: [Cvslog] r25582 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/development/MacOSX/spotlight...

2008-07-13 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Juergen, OK for branch? Yes. > I am not really satisfied with the workaround, > but I have no better idea. In particular, this problem only occurs > with this directory. Why? Don't ask me. Jürgen

Re: Freeze for beta4

2008-07-13 Thread Bennett Helm
On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 2:55 AM, Konrad Hofbauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This error means that the (mac-specific) LinkBack stuff does not get > re-compiled for PPC. The linker only finds the Intel stuff (even though you > are compiling for PPC) and complains. > > Could it be that distclean mi

crash (was: Re: [Cvslog] r25584 - /lyx-devel/trunk/src/Undo.cpp)

2008-07-13 Thread Pavel Sanda
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Author: rgheck > Date: Sun Jul 13 21:34:56 2008 > New Revision: 25584 > > URL: http://www.lyx.org/trac/changeset/25584 > Log: > Redo 25580 the right way. (Failure to initialize bparams had caused constant > crashes.) > > Modified: > lyx-devel/trunk/src/Undo.cpp i

Re: When can I announce the Win installer for beta4?

2008-07-13 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Uwe Stöhr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > When can I announce the Win installer for beta4? When José has announced beta4? JMarc

Re: LFUN_BIBITEM_INSERT

2008-07-13 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Pavel Sanda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Isn't it the version that is used by external .bib files editors to >> insert references via the server? > > if you are talking about Bibdesk, the only used lfun i found is > citation-insert. > do you have another editor in mind? note that i haven't foun

Re: When can I announce the Win installer for beta4?

2008-07-13 Thread José Matos
On Monday 14 July 2008 00:05:49 Uwe Stöhr wrote: > When can I announce the Win installer for beta4? I will announce beta 4 later today (Monday here). You can announce the installer at the same time. > regards Uwe -- José Abílio

Re: [Cvslog] r25579 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/lib/doc: Extended.lyx de/Ext...

2008-07-13 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Uwe Stöhr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Uwe, not that the latest available version of chktex is 1.6.4 (with >> some bug fixes of my own :) >> http://baruch.ev-en.org/proj/chktex/ > > I used the CTAN weblink as this will always be available, also in 5 years. OK, Baruch proposed that I become the

When can I announce the Win installer for beta4?

2008-07-13 Thread Uwe Stöhr
When can I announce the Win installer for beta4? regards Uwe

Re: [Cvslog] r25579 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/lib/doc: Extended.lyx de/Ext...

2008-07-13 Thread Uwe Stöhr
> Uwe, not that the latest available version of chktex is 1.6.4 (with > some bug fixes of my own :) > http://baruch.ev-en.org/proj/chktex/ I used the CTAN weblink as this will always be available, also in 5 years. > I already asked Baruch to upload his version to CTAN. I have also sent > some ot

Re: r25584 - /lyx-devel/trunk/src/Undo.cpp

2008-07-13 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 10:05:05PM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Author: rgheck >> Date: Sun Jul 13 21:34:56 2008 >> New Revision: 25584 >> URL: http://www.lyx.org/trac/changeset/25584 >> Log: >> Redo 25580 the right way. (Failure to initialize bparams had caused >>

Re: LFUN_BIBITEM_INSERT

2008-07-13 Thread Pavel Sanda
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Pavel Sanda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > i spent some time on looking at LFUN_BIBITEM_INSERT code, > > but i havent found a single case how this lfun could be useful. > > > > is it just some obsolete survival, which was replaced by > > inset-insert or what is the

Re: LFUN_BIBITEM_INSERT

2008-07-13 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Pavel Sanda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > i spent some time on looking at LFUN_BIBITEM_INSERT code, > but i havent found a single case how this lfun could be useful. > > is it just some obsolete survival, which was replaced by > inset-insert or what is the purpose of it? Isn't it the version that

LFUN_BIBITEM_INSERT

2008-07-13 Thread Pavel Sanda
hi, i spent some time on looking at LFUN_BIBITEM_INSERT code, but i havent found a single case how this lfun could be useful. is it just some obsolete survival, which was replaced by inset-insert or what is the purpose of it? would be somebody oposed to the removal of this lfun? pavel

Re: [Cvslog] r25579 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/lib/doc: Extended.lyx de/Ext...

2008-07-13 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Author: uwestoehr > Date: Sun Jul 13 21:04:37 2008 > New Revision: 25579 > > URL: http://www.lyx.org/trac/changeset/25579 > Log: > Extended.lyx: fix the web resource of checktex and clarify when it is > available Uwe, not that the latest available version of chktex is

Re: r25584 - /lyx-devel/trunk/src/Undo.cpp

2008-07-13 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Author: rgheck Date: Sun Jul 13 21:34:56 2008 New Revision: 25584 URL: http://www.lyx.org/trac/changeset/25584 Log: Redo 25580 the right way. (Failure to initialize bparams had caused constant crashes.) Modified: lyx-devel/trunk/src/Undo.

Re: r25584 - /lyx-devel/trunk/src/Undo.cpp

2008-07-13 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Author: rgheck Date: Sun Jul 13 21:34:56 2008 New Revision: 25584 URL: http://www.lyx.org/trac/changeset/25584 Log: Redo 25580 the right way. (Failure to initialize bparams had caused constant crashes.) Modified: lyx-devel/trunk/src/Undo.cpp Modified: lyx-devel/tr

Re: Fwd: Some feedback from a lost user

2008-07-13 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 11:46:04AM +0200, Christian Ridderström wrote: > Anyway, I just thought I'd forward the feedback I got from David as a > general input. Maybe it'll trigger a useful discussion. Well, we took for too long the route of the lowest common denominator which basically stalled pr

Re: [Cvslog] r25582 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/development/MacOSX/spotlight...

2008-07-13 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > make sure that installation can be made with parallel make; remove unused > directory Juergen, OK for branch? I am not really satisfied with the workaround, but I have no better idea. In particular, this problem only occurs with this directory. Why? JMarc

Re: Freeze for beta4

2008-07-13 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
"Bennett Helm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 12:00 PM, José Matos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Configure and make went fine for me on Mac. However, make install the > *first* time produced this: It should be fixed now. Please check. JMarc

Re: [Cvslog] r25573 - /lyx-devel/trunk/src/LyXAction.cpp

2008-07-13 Thread rgheck
Pavel Sanda wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Author: sanda Date: Sun Jul 13 12:45:46 2008 New Revision: 25573 +/*! + * \var lyx::FuncCode lyx::LFUN_CITATION_INSERT + * \li Action: Inserts citation from loaded citation database. + * \li Syntax: citation-insert [[|]] + * \li Params: : Citation

Re: [Bug 5024] TeX error of LyX 1.5 documents when babel was loaded manually in preamble

2008-07-13 Thread Uwe Stöhr
>> That's not that easy as this could break the document compilation. So when >> hyperref is used, we load babel before the user preamble without hyperref >> behind it. So you have to adapt your preamble when you turn on/off >> hyperref. This is extremely tricky as this affects many LaTeX-packages

Re: Acrobat Reader nonsense: bug, regression or feature?

2008-07-13 Thread Paul A. Rubin
Enrico Forestieri wrote: On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 05:55:31PM -0400, Paul A. Rubin wrote: This came up on the user list. I'm not sure if it needs to go into bugzilla, so I'm looking for opinions. (I didn't find this in either bugzilla or the wiki.) On Windows, user specifies PDF (pdflatex) v

Re: Fwd: Some feedback from a lost user

2008-07-13 Thread Enrico Forestieri
On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 11:46:04AM +0200, Christian Ridderström wrote: > So unfortunately it's not anything concrete, but he talks more about a > general feeling. I'm guessing it's caused by frustration when you don't > know how to do things. Yes, that's it. It is the same frustration I was fee

Re: Bug 5024: request for opinions

2008-07-13 Thread José Matos
On Sunday 13 July 2008 18:10:32 Enrico Forestieri wrote: > When converting old documents, option c) would be used. > New documents would use babel by default and option a). In this case I agree with Enrico's analysis and proposed solutions. After all we have this for other latex packages as well

Re: [5010, again] Make it a reference

2008-07-13 Thread José Matos
On Friday 11 July 2008 19:20:34 rgheck wrote: > Oh, OK. I guess it's just a no-op in that case? The C++ standard requires that the compiler deals with "delete 0". I am not in the mood to examine g++ but I would expect this to be a no-op. :-) And while only tangentially related I found this FAQ f

Re: Bug 5024: request for opinions

2008-07-13 Thread Enrico Forestieri
On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 10:46:26AM +0200, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: > I guess this entails a rather fundamental question about our file format and > upgrading policy, that's why I'd like to hear other's opinion (you can read > the opinions of Georg, Uwe and myself on bugzilla). I think that bab

Re: Support request for Japanese without CJK, again (Re: [Fwd: About Japanese edition ...)

2008-07-13 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Tetsuya Makimura wrote: > Hi, Jürgen. > Thank you for your reply. > > I still do not understand the flavor mechanism well. > Could you please tell me how LyX automatically detect if Japanese platex > is required ? First, we need to use our LaTeXFeatures mechanism to tell LyX that we use the japan

Re: [Bug 5024] TeX error of LyX 1.5 documents when babel was loaded manually in preamble

2008-07-13 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Uwe Stöhr wrote: > That's not that easy as this could break the document compilation. So when > hyperref is used, we load babel before the user preamble without hyperref > behind it. So you have to adapt your preamble when you turn on/off > hyperref. This is extremely tricky as this affects many La

Re: [Bug 5024] TeX error of LyX 1.5 documents when babel was loaded manually in preamble

2008-07-13 Thread Uwe Stöhr
> That's easy. Something like this (plus the Vietnamese change): That's not that easy as this could break the document compilation. So when hyperref is used, we load babel before the user preamble without hyperref behind it. So you have to adapt your preamble when you turn on/off hyperref. This

Re: Support request for Japanese without CJK, again (Re: [Fwd: About Japanese edition ...)

2008-07-13 Thread Tetsuya Makimura
Jürgen Spitzmüller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > My proposal: Add an output flavor PLATEX, add a new file format "LaTeX > (pLaTeX)" and respective converters to PDF and DVI, and if japanese is > required (we store that in LaTeXFeatures) use this flavor, which lets LyX > automatically pass thos

Re: [Bug 5024] TeX error of LyX 1.5 documents when babel was loaded manually in preamble

2008-07-13 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: > +       if (use_babel && features.isRequired("hyperref")) { Actually, this needs to be: +if (use_babel && !features.isRequired("jurabib") +&& features.isRequired("hyperref")) { Jürgen

Re: [Bug 5024] TeX error of LyX 1.5 documents when babel was loaded manually in preamble

2008-07-13 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Uwe Stöhr wrote: > But how will you do that? In LyX 1.5 we load babel after the user preamble, > but hyperref must be loaded before the user preamble and babel before > hyperref. And that's what we currently have and works well. That's easy. Something like this (plus the Vietnamese change): Inde

Re: [Bug 5024] TeX error of LyX 1.5 documents when babel was loaded manually in preamble

2008-07-13 Thread Uwe Stöhr
OK, so the problems would be fixed if we would assure that babel is always loaded before hyperref, as Georg suggested, and change the vietnamese support, as you suggested in the comment. But how will you do that? In LyX 1.5 we load babel after the user preamble, but hyperref must be loaded bef

Re: Bug 5024: request for opinions

2008-07-13 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Georg Baum wrote: Forget preamble fiddling in lyx2lyx. It is not worth it IMHO, because there are so many cases that are impossible to handle with reasonable effort. I mentioned the included .tex file in bugzilla. Apart from that there is a more fundamental problem: What do you want to do with \

Re: Bug 5024: request for opinions

2008-07-13 Thread Georg Baum
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: >> Basically, there are two opinions: >> >> 1. Don't care about the user preamble. Loading babel before the preamble >> is generally better, and we should do the switch now, even if it means >> some extra work and irritation to the users. >> >>

Re: Fwd: Some feedback from a lost user

2008-07-13 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Christian Ridderström wrote: Or amybe it's a problem specifically for users that haven't read the manual? Maybe the LyX window should have a big banner that says something like "New user? Have you read the 'Introduction' and the 'Tutorial'? I would guess that the problem for many users is th

Re: [Cvslog] r25573 - /lyx-devel/trunk/src/LyXAction.cpp

2008-07-13 Thread Pavel Sanda
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Author: sanda > Date: Sun Jul 13 12:45:46 2008 > New Revision: 25573 > > +/*! > + * \var lyx::FuncCode lyx::LFUN_CITATION_INSERT > + * \li Action: Inserts citation from loaded citation database. > + * \li Syntax: citation-insert [[|]] > + * \li Params: : Citation (shortc

Re: Bug 5024: request for opinions

2008-07-13 Thread Pavel Sanda
Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: > Now the problem is that this breaks any document that redefines babel in the > preamble or in some private style file, due to a package clash. > > Basically, there are two opinions: > > 1. Don't care about the user preamble. Loading babel before the preamble is > gen

Re: Back to svn

2008-07-13 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
José Matos wrote: Hello all, I have composed new tarballs that only differ from last Friday's in the documentation and translations updates. I have update the files in the usual place in home area. I have also placed a copy in ftp.devel.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel That means that commits are a

Back to svn

2008-07-13 Thread José Matos
Hello all, I have composed new tarballs that only differ from last Friday's in the documentation and translations updates. I have update the files in the usual place in home area. I have also placed a copy in ftp.devel.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel That means that commits are a

Re: Fwd: Some feedback from a lost user

2008-07-13 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Christian Ridderström wrote: Hi, I got some feedback from a user (David) that gave up on LyX after a quick try. The last straw was conversion problem (importing a matrix from Excel to something inside LyX). However, this particular reason is not why I'm forwarding his feedback. David said:

Re: Bug 5024: request for opinions

2008-07-13 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: We are having some discussion about the impact of a change of the babel loading order in LyX 1.6: http://bugzilla.lyx.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5024 In 1.5 and earlier, babel was loaded after the user preamble. This has been changed in the 1.6 cycle, mainly because babel sh

Re: Support request for Japanese without CJK, again (Re: [Fwd: About Japanese edition ...)

2008-07-13 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Hi again, Tetsuya Makimura wrote: > How about introducing --latex-command to these scripts, as you suggested > for lyxpreview2bitmap.py ? The patches to realize this are attached > below. Yes, this seems to be the way to go, generally. However, I think some adjustments are necessary. > We need

Fwd: Some feedback from a lost user

2008-07-13 Thread Christian Ridderström
Hi, I got some feedback from a user (David) that gave up on LyX after a quick try. The last straw was conversion problem (importing a matrix from Excel to something inside LyX). However, this particular reason is not why I'm forwarding his feedback. David said: I have no problem with

Re: Freeze for beta4

2008-07-13 Thread José Matos
On Saturday 12 July 2008 15:50:04 Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Seriously, how much time has been lost like that? 1 dqy? 2? I do not   > think this is so critical... I agree, and this was precisely my rational. Unfortunately we other commits, so I will need to respun the tarball. I will do it so

Bug 5024: request for opinions

2008-07-13 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
We are having some discussion about the impact of a change of the babel loading order in LyX 1.6: http://bugzilla.lyx.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5024 In 1.5 and earlier, babel was loaded after the user preamble. This has been changed in the 1.6 cycle, mainly because babel should be loaded before hyper